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Discussion Why do people like/dislike AI art

Hexasheep93

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I know AI art has been sort of a hot topic on the net lately. I myself dont really know where to stand as I know fairly little about it.

So I making this thread so you guys can tell me why you like or dislike AI art

Here is a positive and negative I know of

Plus: you can generate art of whatever you want both lewd and non-lewd stuff and it (mostly) looks good

Con: because of how it works with prompts and all that it may be considered plagiarising of other artists work

So what do you think?
 

Halo

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I have no real opinion on it, in terms of like/dislike.

It's a fad and will fuck off soon enough.
It's soulless and won't replace real art anytime soon.

As for why people hate it: Cause it's being spammed fucking everywhere. There's faggots calling themselves "AI Artists" who cash in and try to fuck over genuinely talented people who work hard to make what they do.

that's about all I have to say for it.
 

Narmy

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Artists probably dislike it because it learned off their work and can now replicate it for free. I don't really have an opinion besides that it's cool but can't draw fingers.

Would probably be useful for people who want to make a game but have no artistic skill, so there may be a boom in indie waifu games.
 

vulonkaaz

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like any very advanced piece of technology, I mostly like it for the shitposting potential

it's like with the deepfake thing back in the days everybody was freaking out about like the fake news potential or that people could make porn with their face or something but in the end we just got to see yanderedev dating us at pizza hut and world leaders singing baka mitai, like y'know good ol' internet fun

world would be a better place if humans cared more about shitposting and less about like making money or scamming each other or having sex or surviving or whatever lame useless thing humans care about

like who cares about stealing artists jobs when you could just admire Garfield as a Gigachad ?
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on a seemingly unrelated note I can't wait for the day we get like a full blown videogame entirely done by AI on the fly, like AIDungeon on steroids and with actual graphics, the day we have that this gonna be trippy as fuck like the worst fever dream you could ever have god I can't wait to play that
 
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Deleted member 1309

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Being scared of AI art, is like being scared of intention of photo camera. It is just a new technology. It is progressing fast, and i see it being nice tool for gamedevelopers so shitty artists will stop charging 20bucks for a fucking icon for ability in the game.
 

ジエントP

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So what do you think?
I think it's pretty good. This should augment the artists ability, not replace it. It needs human input to give it direction and as a result it reduces human labour time and the total socially necessary labour time to create a piece of art. I believe artists will start to specialize in touching up art and using large image sets of their own art to streamline the process of making art with this algorithm. Ask a programmer today if they could program something in assembly, they would absolutely refuse and instead use a higher level language. I think it will end up in the same predicament. those who know assembly, real time programming languages and such are needed because the higher level languages run on it, so it won't be replaced. It will be like standing on the shoulders of giants.
 

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Brazio

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I dislike it cause some dumbfuck like Novel AI put danbooru on spotlight, completely fucked peeps who come to get some deleted arts from some artists who like to delete their works on internet, with image board like danbooru being as an archive of some sort.
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Hexasheep93

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I dislike it cause some dumbfuck like Novel AI put danbooru on spotlight, completely fucked peeps who come to get some deleted arts from some artists who like to delete their works on internet, with image board like danbooru being as an archive of some sort.
Just to be clear you mean to say that it showed the artists that delete their art that their deleted art was in danbooru and now want it deleted there too?
 

Brazio

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Just to be clear you mean to say that it showed the artists that delete their art that their deleted art was in danbooru and now want it deleted there too?
Not exclusively to them. I'm talking about DMCA (or something equivalent) claim that artists send to danbooru, which left danbooru with no choice but, depending on said artist, delete arts that artist claimed to nuke the artist's entire arts from their site. Every artist can do this, including artist who like to delete their art.
 

NretsewThePerv

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Not exclusively to them. I'm talking about DMCA (or something equivalent) claim that artists send to danbooru, which left danbooru with no choice but, depending on said artist, delete arts that artist claimed to nuke the artist's entire arts from their site. Every artist can do this, including artist who like to delete their art.

the main dumb fucks, in that case, are the artists and other retards who can't take fucken 10mins to do some light research into how the fuck this shit even works.

the AI was trained off the images on the broous that's true. but it was not "stealing" people's art any more than me clicking right-click save as is stealing people's art. the AI was just trained to look at the tags and learn what it should be looking to reproduce based on past references. it does not store people's art in a database otherwise the AIs files would be the side of a whole fucken server, after it was trained it no longer needed the Broous to host the files as it had already got what it needed. so DMCAing shit does nothing to stop the AI that's already learned off the image. but tech-literate faggots will believe anything some he/she/it twitter thread will say without daring to question it

personly I think people need to stop getting wiped up in the hype and hysteria of it all and take a moment to look at this more objectively

yes, it's annoying that AI art is getting spammed all over pixiv and the like. but once the hype chills out and maybe sites put new rules or systems in place to deal with it it's gonna be less of an issue

yes there are some fuck tards who are trying to use this to steal art and do fuck tard shit but that's the same with everything and said people should be called out and shamed for being fuck tards

but people are too quick to toss the baby out with the bath water. this tech could in fact be very useful for artists themselves to use to speed up their production pipelines. or for people to make their own shit raver then pay some C-level he/her/it to make some shit porn for them.

end of the day it's just a fancy new toy/tool for people to play around with and once the novelty wears off the people left using it will be the people who know what they are doing and will prob be doing some good shit with it as it continues to evolve. end of the day people are going to have to adapt or die now that pandora's box has been opened. and well have to see what the future holds in store
 

NretsewThePerv

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yes, it's annoying that AI art is getting spammed all over pixiv and the like. but once the hype chills out and maybe sites put new rules or systems in place to deal with it it's gonna be less of an issue

I fucken called it

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YakuInTheFlesh

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In my opinion the only ones that loose out with AI art (and AI in general) are the bottom feeders. People who charge ridiculous amounts of money on their Patreon for a 10% increase in res, shitty art, furry artists (even shitty furry art gets a lot of money thrown at it), etc. Basically the people that have tried to cash in on art. Them pointing at "AI Artists" is like them pointing at a mirror.

Some sentiment I've seen with some artists shows the correct approach. The two I've seen the most:
- AI up-scaling is already good enough that trying to grift with low res art doesn't work and diversifying my art will be more productive
- Generating an image to test color theory and composition before spending hours on a piece / generate my own references

AI Art is a tool that people have to use and not disregard. Imagine where we would be if mathematicians said "Ban calculators because it does simple math better than me!" instead of using it to speed up the simple stuff and get more done! Same here. People can use it as references, test if their work could work out before spending hours on it, etc.
Or look at gaming. With AI art nobody has to waste time creating textures and being stuck in an endless back and forth. Take your AI and tell it generate the same texture 1000 times at 128x128 in 10 different styles and choose the one you like the most for your project. Then tell the AI to generate that one in a higher res and either use it directly or use it as reference.

All in all: It's a tool that saves money and time if you use it correctly.
 

immahnoob

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It's soulless as fuck and the more it gets refined, the worse it'll be later on when it'll start being able to copy pretty much anyone's art style.
What'll be the point of artists then? It's one thing when practical shit is taken into consideration, but this is something that shouldn't be taken from human hands.
 

Cayhr

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I'm late!!! Fleshy artist here xD

Some people have already pointed out why AI art is annoying, so I won't spend too much time reiterating:
As for why people hate it: Cause it's being spammed fucking everywhere. There's faggots calling themselves "AI Artists" who cash in and try to fuck over genuinely talented people who work hard to make what they do.
Ask a programmer today if they could program something in assembly, they would absolutely refuse and instead use a higher level language. I think it will end up in the same predicament. those who know assembly, real time programming languages and such are needed because the higher level languages run on it, so it won't be replaced. It will be like standing on the shoulders of giants.
In my opinion the only ones that loose out with AI art (and AI in general) are the bottom feeders. [...]

Some sentiment I've seen with some artists shows the correct approach. The two I've seen the most:
- AI up-scaling is already good enough that trying to grift with low res art doesn't work and diversifying my art will be more productive
- Generating an image to test color theory and composition before spending hours on a piece / generate my own references

[..] All in all: It's a tool that saves money and time if you use it correctly.
It's soulless as fuck and the more it gets refined, the worse it'll be later on when it'll start being able to copy pretty much anyone's art style.
What'll be the point of artists then? It's one thing when practical shit is taken into consideration, but this is something that shouldn't be taken from human hands.
AI art definitely will need its own category, and I hope that happens soon to stop the spam of it. It should eventually come to pass and the "AI artists" will eat their boots realizing how much of a non-artist they are. What a bunch of buffoons thinking tinkering a prompt on a program makes them as esteemed as a proper artist. :shinobu_dab:

Now, for real. If AI art can't make anything new, then artists still have a place. The "art community" will start seeing some filtering out in the area of artists trying to become commercially viable. AI will be able to enhance the workflow, not replace it. Honestly, I would still draw entirely over the algorithm's output, because the art I work with requires being decomposed into its parts (each finger, the palm, the forearm, the upper arm and shoulder, the torso, the waist area, the pelvic region, etc.) for animation purposes. Standalone art, I believe, is starting to become mastered in the commercial market and what will truly sell are full products that use an artist's "art style." The only "artists" that are terrified to death of being replaced are the ones that haven't improved over five years, use rudimentary coloring, have extremely basic or poor composition, implement limited lighting principles, and fundamentally lack any objectible technical skill (as Yaku pointed out). By the way, there are a lot of these people. Unfortunately, that just comes with the market territory. There are so many competitors in this market trying to make names for themselves, and with limited time and money, there will be many losers and few winners.

Part of the reason why I never got into running the art-for-subscription model for making money was due to things like these stable diffusion algorithms. I didn't have the foresight to predict that something like NovelAI would come into existence, but I did know that the art I produced would need to be part of something much greater in order to sell. After all, there are many other artists that are significantly better than me in many aspects, but I can't play catch up with them. It would take me another decade to do so, and I would make pennies to their thousands, wasting time. Artists like Sakimichan and cutesexyrobutts have dominated good chunks of the market, and it is too saturated now with tons of people branding themselves as artists looking for compensation in the form of your monthly sub as they try to chase the pioneers' success. That is part of why I never marketed a Patreon or Subscribestar or whatever. Also, while commissions are different and part of the exchange involves the artist-to-client connection, that might get phased out as people as simply generate things they want in their favorite artist's style, but I can't say for sure since the human interaction element is quite powerful.

The true underlying motivation for why I became an artist is because game development is what I really want to pursue; I want to make a tangible product that has my visual style and ideas in it, and I needed a skill to have. While game dev has its own deal of shovelware (particularly in the indie scene and on places like itch.io), it will be far, far, far into the future before AI can entirely replace the craft. Thus I made sure to learn a ton of things. I am: self-trained as an artist (lewd!), educated in programming, capable of working in teams, and knowledgeable on the process of game development. I'm also becoming well versed on the business side of things with a close acquaintance. I offer so much more than just being able to draw, since automation has caught up to that step. While I do finalize my art as single image drawings (or a variant set) and post them to Pixiv and the internet for all to see my perverted fetishes, I know that each one is merely a training step so that I can one day use my artwork in a game.

To be honest, I didn't even know something like NovelAI was thing or even possible; it never dawned on me the technology would be made since I naively believed it was too much of a human endeavor. However, I was able to digest it's appearance a lot more easily since I knew I wasn't being replaced. NovelAI will not output complex files that compose a character that is animation ready, but us human artists will be able to set that up. With these AI art tools however, that art setup stage will be easier to brainstorm and compose. Tangentially, AI might be used to assist writers in speeding up their process! Though, I don't know if it has the same nuances like digital art, since writers often have their own flavor of writing, and some are transcendentally artistic like Shakespeare (the literal pronunciation of things is rhythmic; he used iambic pentameter).

Ultimately, AI tools will increase the skill floor for artists, and those whose level of skill are below the new skill floor are endangered. Adapt, evolve, survive.
 

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Since I made the stable diffusion thread, I might weigh in but you already know my bias.

AI is a tool. Just like how cameras didn't displace painting, photoshop didn't displace pencil and paper, blender didn't displace drawing, live2D didn't displace animation. If you hate AI under some retarded idea of "replacing" artists then you might as well hate cameras, photoshop, blender, live2d etc because the same thing was said about them when it was introduced, as technology improves, tools will evolve. Technology is the only thing where trickle economics works.

Think about it this way, lets say you're a gamedev and you need textures for your 3D models, some retards overvalue their textures and want hundreds of dollars for that, would you rather pay the hundreds of dollars or use AI to get something that's "good enough", or a youtuber with a small channel and want some art for your avatar and banner, remember not everyone has mommy and daddys money to spend. You still need to put the work in to modify and improve what the AI gives you but it's much better than paying inflated prices, which brings me to this.


Many artists overvalue their skills, the prices I see for some average, 6/10 artist on twitter is absurd, sure he/she art isn't terrible but it isn't worth the asking price and no amount of rationalization will change my mind. "But muh living wage". What about everyone else's living wage? Why do YOU deserve a living wage but no one else?

Platinum Games v.s. Hellena Taylor: Bayonetta 3, boycotts, nuance and questions thread is a prime example of this. 15K for five 4 hour sessions, $750 an hour isn't enough, it needs to be six figures plus royalties, bitch no one is worth that fucking much. You think the programmers, designers, composers, writers, seiyuu got six figures plus royalties?

And now you see mediocre artists demand restrictions and regulations just so he/she doesn't have to lower prices and compete, medicore artists love the free market when it comes to overcharging customers but not when people find a cheaper alternative.

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People hate AI art because it's new and accessible, if you need a $5K GPU to run this then I guarantee there wouldn't be any complaints or sperging because it has a high barrier of entry but because you can run it on a 4GB GTX 1650 it's suddenly a problem because the bottom feeders can't compete anymore.

Also, AI art has more soul than niggerfication and puritan "fixes" of existing characters, original and edited, change my mind.
 

ジエントP

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A bit of a Tangent but I wouldn't want any Souls trapped in my Art or art I like to Commission or AI art for that matter. That seems Satanic to trap souls in art, I don't understand why the Devils contract of pouring ones soul into a creative piece be so lucrative to some people. I would like your whole soul and heart to be in your ribcage not in some inanimate object, virtual or physical, trapped in something akin to a cage and unable to exercise will. Maybe if one truly feels they should rid or bleed their souls from their being they should just wait for death to so instead of being damned. If there's anything I could say to them it would be to relax and live your life, if you want to make a legacy with something Creative go for it, but please don't trap part of yourself in something not of your being you're just going to lose out in the end and run big chance in losing part of yourself forever never to return to one when that Creation gets destroyed. It won't make you whole, don't believe his lies, you are whole right now, he only tries to divide you.
 

Hexasheep93

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Since multiple people brought it up, exactly how good are the AI art apps at replicating an art style?
I ask cause most of the time I see AI art is either Anime style art or some painting type stuff.
 
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Deleted member 1309

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Since multiple people brought it up, exactly how good are the AI art apps at replicating an art style?
I ask cause most of the time I see AI art is either Anime style art or some painting type stuff.
For how new it is as technology, it is actually extremely impressive. I feel like this is going to be very first thing what AI will start to do very well. Taking existing pics, and modifying them, to swap art styles or replace faces.
 

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Since multiple people brought it up, exactly how good are the AI art apps at replicating an art style?
I guess I'll answer since I'm probably the only one of varis that uses it.

Depends on the training data, for example, waifu diffusion v1.2, is wildly inaccurate and will give you a poor facsimile if it even knows the art style otherwise you'll get unrelated outputs. While v1.3 will give I would say fairly accurate representations of an art style if it knows it of course but it won't be 1:1 since you'll be adding on your chosen prompts as well.

For example, you can have Ken Sugimori's art style but choose to have huge tits, so obviously it wouldn't be an accurate representation of his actual art style since he personally wouldn't design that way.
 

immahnoob

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Since I made the stable diffusion thread, I might weigh in but you already know my bias.

AI is a tool. Just like how cameras didn't displace painting, photoshop didn't displace pencil and paper, blender didn't displace drawing, live2D didn't displace animation. If you hate AI under some retarded idea of "replacing" artists then you might as well hate cameras, photoshop, blender, live2d etc because the same thing was said about them when it was introduced, as technology improves, tools will evolve. Technology is the only thing where trickle economics works.

Think about it this way, lets say you're a gamedev and you need textures for your 3D models, some retards overvalue their textures and want hundreds of dollars for that, would you rather pay the hundreds of dollars or use AI to get something that's "good enough", or a youtuber with a small channel and want some art for your avatar and banner, remember not everyone has mommy and daddys money to spend. You still need to put the work in to modify and improve what the AI gives you but it's much better than paying inflated prices, which brings me to this.


Many artists overvalue their skills, the prices I see for some average, 6/10 artist on twitter is absurd, sure he/she art isn't terrible but it isn't worth the asking price and no amount of rationalization will change my mind. "But muh living wage". What about everyone else's living wage? Why do YOU deserve a living wage but no one else?

Platinum Games v.s. Hellena Taylor: Bayonetta 3, boycotts, nuance and questions thread is a prime example of this. 15K for five 4 hour sessions, $750 an hour isn't enough, it needs to be six figures plus royalties, bitch no one is worth that fucking much. You think the programmers, designers, composers, writers, seiyuu got six figures plus royalties?

And now you see mediocre artists demand restrictions and regulations just so he/she doesn't have to lower prices and compete, medicore artists love the free market when it comes to overcharging customers but not when people find a cheaper alternative.

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People hate AI art because it's new and accessible, if you need a $5K GPU to run this then I guarantee there wouldn't be any complaints or sperging because it has a high barrier of entry but because you can run it on a 4GB GTX 1650 it's suddenly a problem because the bottom feeders can't compete anymore.

Also, AI art has more soul than niggerfication and puritan "fixes" of existing characters, original and edited, change my mind.
If a man can say he wants 10k$ for a baby's doodle and someone's pays that much, it's the payer that is retarded, not the man that made the doodle. It's not like you don't have options when you look for commissions of any kind and there's already a shitload of competition between people on these examples of yours. It's not like the 2k$ example is the only dude that sells his art either.

You're also not answering the main issue with AI art. What will artists that aren't mediocre do when their art styles will be completely replicated by AI? It's not like it's not already happening already.
EDIT: Also, your "blender", "photography" and all those examples are bad examples. The AI can replicate what photography and blender cannot and can also replicate blender and photography as well. :kekw:
 
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