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namedoesntfi

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Moderator Note: I think there may be enough interest here to have a thread dedicated to the discussion of Star Wars.

This thread is in the "Misc" sub-forum, so you're free to talk about virtually anything related to the franchise, be it the films, games, novels, series, or anything pertaining to its status as an intellectual property.

I wasn't aware upon moving posts (definitely didn't use this as an opportunity to try it) that posts keep their original date and priority in the thread, so I have to stick the introduction here.

Sorry about that, @namedoesntfi :ars-pat:

Aside from Knives Out, the two most recently made western films I've watched were The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, the former serving as the fatal stab wound and the latter the coup de grâce which finally killed what was once my favorite franchise of All Time.
Star Wars... so much potential... :satania-cry:
 
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Star Wars... so much potential... :satania-cry:
So much wasted potential you wanted to say. After the new collected tpb of new Vader and mercenary series I'm done with fucking Soy Wars. They recently decided that it was a good thing to go and explain fucking exagol from The Rise of the Soywalker no joke. And the best thing of all? Snoke was not just any clone, be it from a random batch or from baby yoda, but from FUCKING Luke Skywalker's severed right hand. LMAO I thought that at least they would not fuck up anything related to Darth Vader but I guess I was wrong. I used to be mad that they did not adapt the Darth Vader series run from 2015-2017 but seeing how it all turns out these days, I'm not mad, I'm actually happy to drop this franchise and move on to niche things. :flan-yea:
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So much wasted potential you wanted to say. After the new collected tpb of new Vader and mercenary series I'm done with fucking Soy Wars. They recently decided that it was a good thing to go and explain fucking exagol from The Rise of the Soywalker no joke. And the best thing of all? Snoke was not just any clone, be it from a random batch or from baby yoda, but from FUCKING Luke Skywalker's severed right hand. LMAO I thought that at least they would not fuck up anything related to Darth Vader but I guess I was wrong. I used to be mad that they did not adapt the Darth Vader series run from 2015-2017 but seeing how it all turns out these days, I'm not mad, I'm actually happy to drop this franchise and move on to niche things. :flan-yea:
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Yeah, of course, wasted potential. When I read in my mind I thought I typed "wasted". :bap:

I thought they at least be slightly influenced by the New Republic content from the true Expanded Universe (a.k.a. Disney's Legends). If I remember correctly, before any of the Disney movies came out they said they wouldn't base the sequel trilogy on the New Republic. Then, KK comes out and says that it was difficult to do the sequel trilogy because there was no source material. Now all of the sudden they discovered a whole lot of content in EU. Are they using it? Noooo, they double down with their shitty comics, where a rock is a pilot, where characters worry about the pronouns used to refer to someone while in a dangerous situation...

It's disheartening. I watched The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi with my father who also likes Star Wars. When leaving The Last Jedi he was stunned how bad the movie was.
 

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FUCKING Luke Skywalker's severed right hand.
I wasn't even aware of this and probably could have lived a more blissful life if I hadn't known. :hana-disgust:

For the longest, the worst thing in the Legends canon has arguably been the existence of Luuke Skywalker, and now with Disney canon basically making another Luke clone but even worse, well.. that's that I guess. I am legitimately impressed!
If I remember correctly, before any of the Disney movies came out they said they wouldn't base the sequel trilogy on the New Republic.
I need to interject how absolutely depressing this is as a fan of the post-Imperial Era in the Legends canon. Arguably the best saga in the entire franchise, the Yuuzhan Vong invasion being de-canonized is what I perceive the literary equivalent to throwing away gold. And don't even get me started about how a single chapter involving Jacen Solo is infinitely better than the entire canon of Kylo Ren.
Then, KK comes out and says that it was difficult to do the sequel trilogy because there was no source material. Now all of the sudden they discovered a whole lot of content in EU. Are they using it? Noooo, they double down with their shitty comics, where a rock is a pilot, where characters worry about the pronouns used to refer to someone while in a dangerous situation...
I think one of the main reasons that people often fail to realize is that the sequel trilogy was partly bad because they were legitimately winging it the whole time. To echo what you said but with an even more literal context, there was no source material. That's not even mentioning the likely behind-the-scenes horror where JJ Abrahms and Rian Johnson were sabotaging each other between XII and XIII and XIII and IX.

You've basically hit the point on why they decanonized Legends in the first place; it's nowhere near malleable enough to serve their "artistic" goal. They need to craft stories that are able to hit on soon-to-be-dated political and social talking points while also making everything so mild, inoffensive, and incontroversial that it appeals to the widest audience of normalfaggots possible. As much as some might like to thing Star Wars was already a mainstream property, that has never and should have never been the case, because we all know what happens when you try to appeal to people who didn't even consume your material in the first place. This franchise is just another casualty of that pernicious mindset.
It's disheartening. I watched The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi with my father who also likes Star Wars. When leaving The Last Jedi he was stunned how bad the movie was.
It's fairly embarrassing to admit, but I found myself relatively pleased with The Force Awakens for quite some time after I had left the cinema. I feel as if I was swayed just on the pure spectacle alone, but in fairness, this was more or less their first "addition", and I didn't have all this other shit to consider at the time.

Fast forward a year to The Last Jedi, and while I was probably still more in the positive range, it was much more tempered by subsequent reviews of The Force Awakens and the other shit they were trying to pull. Plus, The Last Jedi itself wasn't all that great, and I have to say that Rose and Holdo are two of the worst characters ever implemented into the Star Wars canon. It really hurts two that both of them are female, but then again Hollywood never actually cares about developing quality female characters but instead what those epic diversity points.

I've now had plenty of time to ruminate over everything Disney has done since the takeover, and I must say, this is an absolutely abject failure in terms of creativity and artistic integrity. I don't think there's a more relevant and relatable clip than this one from RedLetterMedia:


On a lighter note, a very happy May 4th to all of you, regardless of what has befallen the series. I did not realize when I created the thread that there was literally no better day to make it.
Take the time to go back and reminisce over the many good aspects of the series, as it seems the good memories are all we have left anymore... :gura-pain:
 
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Sorry about that, @Valenthyne. I remember you mentioned you wanted to create a Star Wars thread. My bad. :megu-scare:

It's fairly embarrassing to admit, but I found myself relatively pleased with The Force Awakens for quite some time after I had left the cinema. I feel as if I was swayed just on the pure spectacle alone, but in fairness, this was more or less their first "addition", and I didn't have all this other shit to consider at the time.

Fast forward a year to The Last Jedi, and while I was probably still more in the positive range, it was much more tempered by subsequent reviews of The Force Awakens and the other shit they were trying to pull. Plus, The Last Jedi itself wasn't all that great, and I have to say that Rose and Holdo are two of the worst characters ever implemented into the Star Wars canon. It really hurts two that both of them are female, but then again Hollywood never actually cares about developing quality female characters but instead what those epic diversity points.
I was pleased with The Force Awakens too. I remember discussing with my dad about it and it was clear it was a rehashed A New Hope, but it did set up potentially good stuff. The Last Jedi had so many issues. It was all over the place. The slowest space chase in history. The whole casino world plot. Leia super-womaning her way back to the ship. Luke abandoning everything and everyone. That's just to gloss over. I am preaching to the choir here. :uni-scare:

On a lighter note, a very happy May 4th to all of you, regardless of what has befallen the series. I did not realize when I created the thread that there was literally no better day to make it.
Take the time to go back and reminisce over the many good aspects of the series, as it seems the good memories are all we have left anymore... :gura-pain:
To you too. :gurayaya:
Indeed, nice timing! Forever known as created on the best possible day to create a Star Wars thread. :hk416-hyper:

Also, though I know some aspects of Legends post-Imperial era, if you have any reading suggestions, I would appreciate (even more if you have some links :nep-happy:).
 

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Sorry about that, @Valenthyne. I remember you mentioned you wanted to create a Star Wars thread. My bad.
It's okay! Those posts from earlier just gave me the kick I needed to go ahead and follow through with putting one together. :flan-yea:
I remember discussing with my dad about it and it was clear it was a rehashed A New Hope, but it did set up potentially good stuff.
That should have been enough of a red flag for me at the time. It literally was just A New Hope but... worse. Now, I definitely get the appeal of trying to make this the new generation's version of that, but the multitude of other issues with The Force Awakens prevents that from ever being a valid promotion. And even then, when they tried to more or less do this with the prequels back in the early 2000s, The Phantom Menance was not a complete rehash of A New Hope. It might have touched on some of the same points, but they are clearly distinct films.

You are absolutely correct in that it had potential and did some work at least setting things up. Even if it was fairly mediocre in its own right, with clear problems that could easily fester if not addressed (especially those pertaining to Rey, her background, and her unearned proficiency in literally everything), there still could have been so much more. I would really love to learn of the alternate universe where Abrams kept complete control over the entire sequel trilogy, because I really do think it would have been so much more cohesive, if not altogether better.
The Last Jedi had so many issues. It was all over the place. The slowest space chase in history. The whole casino world plot. Leia super-womaning her way back to the ship. Luke abandoning everything and everyone. That's just to gloss over. I am preaching to the choir here. :uni-scare:
I firmly believe that The Last Jedi is not only a terrible Star Wars film but also a very poorly written and executed film in its own right. All of the godawful points you just mentioned are a mere fraction of its issues. It's truly amazing to me that anyone can legitimately stand by it. You really do not have to be a fan of the franchise to know how badly they've butchered things. I cannot fathom what went so incredibly wrong between the "creators" and the executives that led to such an utter disaster of a film. I would absolutely love to pin it all on Rian Johnson and call him a hack, and while I certainly don't think he's anything special (Knives Out was decent, but in retrospect it has a lot of the same political faggotry infesting much of modern day film), I feel like there was a lot more to it than his involvement alone.
Also, though I know some aspects of Legends post-Imperial era, if you have any reading suggestions, I would appreciate (even more if you have some links :nep-happy:).
Perhaps the first series I can recommend is that of The Legacy of the Force, which largely focuses on both Jaina and Jacen Solo, particularly the latter, his fall to the dark side, and ultimate rebirth as Darth Caedus.

Peak Star Wars basically occurs at The New Jedi Order, which is where the events of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion take place. It's around twenty or so titles, depending on what you want to include, so it's very much a complete saga on its own. This is more or less what you would want to focus on if you had to choose anything.

The last series I read through was a fitting one, as it more or less "concluded" the post-Imperial Era: the Fate of the Jedi. Certainly isn't the best the franchise has to offer storywise, but what really appealed to me was how the characters were handled (you know, with respect).

While this list of series worth reading is certainly not conclusive, I do perceive them to be the highlights of Star Wars literature after the Battle of Yavin. If you want other recommendations, then I'd have to fall back to what is likely my favorite time period in terms of the Old Republic Era.

Also, I should note in response to your last request that the vast majority of my time spent reading Star Wars were the days when I actually visited libraries. This is pretty much the reason why you may have noticed I have not a single novel belonging to it within my library. So yeah, with that in mind, I'm afraid I don't have any links to alternative methods of acquisition if that's what you had wanted.
 
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Sorry about that, @Valenthyne. I remember you mentioned you wanted to create a Star Wars thread. My bad. :megu-scare:


I was pleased with The Force Awakens too. I remember discussing with my dad about it and it was clear it was a rehashed A New Hope, but it did set up potentially good stuff. The Last Jedi had so many issues. It was all over the place. The slowest space chase in history. The whole casino world plot. Leia super-womaning her way back to the ship. Luke abandoning everything and everyone. That's just to gloss over. I am preaching to the choir here. :uni-scare:


To you too. :gurayaya:
Indeed, nice timing! Forever known as created on the best possible day to create a Star Wars thread. :hk416-hyper:

Also, though I know some aspects of Legends post-Imperial era, if you have any reading suggestions, I would appreciate (even more if you have some links :nep-happy:).
You forgot the weaponised hyperdrive.
If that can be done in-universe, then why the fuck haven't they equipped it on missiles and nuked each other back to the fucking stone age?

That should have been enough of a red flag for me at the time. It literally was just A New Hope but... worse. Now, I definitely get the appeal of trying to make this the new generation's version of that, but the multitude of other issues with The Force Awakens prevents that from ever being a valid promotion. And even then, when they tried to more or less do this with the prequels back in the early 2000s, The Phantom Menance was not a complete rehash of A New Hope. It might have touched on some of the same points, but they are clearly distinct films.
I wanted to like this new trilogy, as I really liked Finn and I didn't see Rey as a Mary Sue just yet (took the next movie to see her that way).
Honestly though, I can understand the vitriol the guy who played Finn has towards the whole franchise now. Idiot directors typecasting him as 'lole, the funny black man makes the squealy noises!' despite all efforts to portray an actual... y'know, character with some depth... Yeah, if I were in his shoes I'd have lost my shit with them too.
 

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The Last Jedi had so many issues. It was all over the place. The slowest space chase in history. The whole casino world plot. Leia super-womaning her way back to the ship. Luke abandoning everything and everyone. That's just to gloss over. I am preaching to the choir here
You know what is the best thing about it? A guy called Ivan Ortega decided to re-edit the entire movie to make it watchable and not a cringe-fest of all to behold. He shortened the Casino planet sequence from whoppin' over 44 minutes to just few, no joke. He also got rid off of all political messages in the movie so when Shrek and Finn see the podium with those animals competing, Shrek gives a short comment about I think her seeing them last time during her childhood and then both of them go and seek out the crypto-man. That scene went so quickly that I did not realize that the scene had ended!! There so many changes and fixes in his cut, but truth be told, Ortega couldn't save everything and in worst moments of The Last Jedi he could only salvage it a bit with some nostalgia fanservice/respect pay-off.
Here's where you can watch it:
The problem is that the crisp 720p version is no longer available online I believe(The only online version is low bitrate 460p:satania-cry:). I do have a 720p copy to this day, tho I don't know if it is possible to attach the whole movie here.
Also, I should note in response to your last request that the vast majority of my time spent reading Star Wars were the days when I actually visited libraries
I also used to do that a lot and my liabrary had plenty of EU comics and I have read them all: the ones I liked the most and can recommend are The Scarlet Empire trylogy and Shadows of the Empire comic.
From the nu-star wars I can only recommend The Shattered Empire two-issue mini-series, the Darth Vader 2015-2017 run, Darth Vader: The Dark Lord of Sith and...that's it. I can't really recommend anything else with comics. The rest is either just average or offensively bad (dr.Aphra run again :retard:)
 
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So. Star Wars thread huh.....welp gonna say this now. I don’t have much hope for the series currently, and I’m ready to abandon ship at anytime. Though I’m kind of waiting for the Obi-Wan series to come out to see if its any good or if they fuck it up. I’ve heard Mando was good so that gives me at least a little bit of hope.....also the new Lego Star Wars game actually doesn’t look half bad. With all the delays it’s gotten whilst that does worry me about its potential quality, it’s probably for the best. Hopefully the delays are actually making it better as opposed to worse.

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There will be voice acting but it seems to have gone back to the roots of the old Lego games in terms of humor. The devs have considered the possibility of adding a mode that makes all the voice acting grunts and shit like the old games so hopefully with all the delays the game has been having that actually becomes a reality.
 

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So. Star Wars thread huh.....welp gonna say this now. I don’t have much hope for the series currently, and I’m ready to abandon ship at anytime. Though I’m kind of waiting for the Obi-Wan series to come out to see if its any good or if they fuck it up.
Don't. Obi-wan series had several re-writes and there is lots of "Kept by Kathleen Kennedy" influence and I highly recommend news covered by clownfish tv:
I’ve heard Mando was good so that gives me at least a little bit of hope
Yes but mando suffers from nostalgia baiting in the second season (and it's abysmal at that) while the first season was a big disappointment to me and being slightly below average show. First three eps were pretty decent the rest was not great, but at least it was self-contained whereas the second season goes full key jangling and just shows stuff on the screen that the audience most likely have seen when they were younger. Fringy goes into the details of that:
I feel like the lego games will be the best bet for you since these days disney can't really produce good stories:megu-shrug:.
 
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I wanted to like this new trilogy, as I really liked Finn and I didn't see Rey as a Mary Sue just yet (took the next movie to see her that way).
There is no good reason the sequel trilogy should not have focused on Finn. It began with him, and it should have ended with him. There was so much potential with his backstory, and it could have made for a very interesting, mature, and nuanced story. Of course, that's not how Disney plays, thus why we defaulted back to a worse rehash of the original trilogy.

It's just sad, because they still could have gone that route up until Jakku. It helps too that John Boyega can actually act, unlike the plastic-faced protagonist everyone got stuck with instead.
Honestly though, I can understand the vitriol the guy who played Finn has towards the whole franchise now. Idiot directors typecasting him as 'lole, the funny black man makes the squealy noises!' despite all efforts to portray an actual... y'know, character with some depth... Yeah, if I were in his shoes I'd have lost my shit with them too.
It was certainly a relief to see him be as vocal as he was about the situation after all was said and done. I'm sure he could have gone even further, but at this point I'm really worried about him being blacklisted (no pun intended :illya-smug:)

I can't imagine how much Rian Johnson must have personally hated him to not only reduce his character into a joke but also force him to be with fucking Rose of all characters. What an absolute insult.
also the new Lego Star Wars game actually doesn’t look half bad. With all the delays it’s gotten whilst that does worry me about its potential quality, it’s probably for the best. Hopefully the delays are actually making it better as opposed to worse.
I'm actually surprised they are even still making Lego games, let alone new titles for the new Star Wars films. I'd say it would be really hard to fuck one up, but knowing how low this franchise has proven it can fall since the Disney takeover, I can't be anything short of pessimistic until proven othewrise.

Also, it's still massively fucking cringe to call the sequel trilogy "The Skywalker Saga". It is so unbelievably offensive to both Luke and Anakin both considering the latter was disregarded entirely and the former disfigured and altered beyond all recognition. Who's left to enforce that title? Rey? Give me a fucking break. She literally robbed a name she didn't earn with that last scene in Rise of Skywalker. Considering she did that with Luke's legacy, Anakin's lightsaber, etc. etc. I guess it's par for the course.
Don't. Obi-wan series had several re-writes and there is lots of "Kept by Kathleen Kennedy" influence
Man, this really fucking stings. I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite here considering what I just replied to @Lichzim, but I was actually quite hopeful that Kenobi could have been great, considering I am of the mind that Ewan McGregor can save anything by his charm and acting prowess.

If they can't manage to get this series right, then that may just be the final nail in the coffin for me, even though if I'm being honest that thing should have been long shut, sealed, and buried by now.
Yes but mando suffers from nostalgia baiting in the second season (and it's abysmal at that) while the first season was a big disappointment to me and being slightly below average show.
Suppose I'm glad I was too disinterested to pay or even pirate The Mandalorian as I've dodged quite a bait from Disney there. When the first season was airing, all I could hear about how it was a supposed return to form, even by those who like me found themselves incredibly disappointed and disillusioned with the new canon. Turns out, the series just ended up like the overwhelming majority of "good shows" made these days where they bait you in with a strong first season and fuck you without a rubber in the subsequent installments. The Boys, anyone?
 

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Also, it's still massively fucking cringe to call the sequel trilogy "The Skywalker Saga". It is so unbelievably offensive to both Luke and Anakin both considering the latter was disregarded entirely and the former disfigured and altered beyond all recognition. Who's left to enforce that title? Rey? Give me a fucking break. She literally robbed a name she didn't earn with that last scene in Rise of Skywalker. Considering she did that with Luke's legacy, Anakin's lightsaber, etc. etc. I guess it's par for the course.
The most depressing thing is that the Skywalkers and Solos are dead. These families are dead, think about it:
-Luke is dead
-Leila is dead
-Han Solo is dead
-Ben Solo (aka Kylo Ren) is dead
-Rey is alive but she's not connected to Skywalkers or Solo families so why would they even she steal the surname/title of the family tho? To bait the audience into thinking she is part of it? Because it shows her as a snobbish cunt who never deserved it in the first place.
There is no way to resurrect them other than completely retconning the sequel trylogy but also THE WHOLE CANNON that comes from that trylogy which is never going to happen btw.
Now after the last episode of S2 of Mandalorian you have people like Star wars theory of geeks and gamers, cosmonaut or many other people saying that it was good or even respectful. How so? Because Luke flew and saved our protags from the last minute being obliterated to smithereens by the dark troopers/edgy the hedgy? By simply flying into that starship and destroying all of the droids and having badly deep-faked face? The whole sequence lasted like 5-6 minutes and I was appealed how easy it is to manipulate the people into thinking that something is good. When it was revealed that it was Luke, none of our heroes were surprised or even knew who he was. WTF he is the motherfucking Luke Skywalker, the guy who fought with Galactic Empire and won (together with his friens and other ppl you get the gist) and somehow these planks somehow did not know who Luke is??? Or who are the Jedi even tho Han Solo himself acknowledges the existence of Jedi, but merely snarks at the whole idea of Jedi lol. Not to mention Luke acts bizarrely during that scene like holy shit, he's not relieved or comments on the fact that he went through all these droids and he could have gotten killed while doing that. Nothing. He just says he's come for Grogu. I wish there was Boba Fett so we could get maybe a convo between him and Luke, knowing Disney and Favrou they would fuck that up anyway. Luke for some reason does not comment on the fact that Bo-Katan is in front of him (or other mandalorians) given that both jedi and mandalorians were at war with each other during The Clone Wars and I think Bo-Katan was a leader of some part of radical extremist mandalorian group back then. Nothing?????? Not to mention the stupid "The saber cannot be given, it must be taken" in a fight bullshit when in the rebels show she was given the dark saber by one of her mandalorian soldiers LMAO. Mandalorian(the protagonist of the series) for some reason gets emotional when Grogu is taken away when he had him for a season and not even a half of it; this is "a season 5 moment", but everything in this show is so shallow and rushed it's unbelievable.
Just look at these people and what they think is good writing/storytelling:
This is the story telling we need. This is I think true storytelling is.
I have no idea what these two consoomers are talking about. I also picked some of the comments that perfectly sum up them and their arguements:
The fact that one of these guys is busy playing with his Star Wars lightsaber toy while the other is praising the writing in Mando season 2 is just the perfect image to sum up how royally fucked the Disney Star Wars is gonna be from now on. Typical consooomers.
False equivalency (comparing luke to iron man), appeal to authority (rotten tomato score), and another false equivalency (comparing liking or disliking the show to liking or disliking food) Truly, the greatest critics of our time.

And guess what, the fact that it worked on people, we're gonna get more of that. Rant end
 

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The most depressing thing is that the Skywalkers and Solos are dead. These families are dead, think about it:
-Luke is dead
-Leila is dead
-Han Solo is dead
-Ben Solo (aka Kylo Ren) is dead
-Rey is alive but she's not connected to Skywalkers or Solo families so why would they even she steal the surname/title of the family tho? To bait the audience into thinking she is part of it? Because it shows her as a snobbish cunt who never deserved it in the first place.
There is no way to resurrect them other than completely retconning the sequel trylogy but also THE WHOLE CANNON that comes from that trylogy which is never going to happen btw.
Now after the last episode of S2 of Mandalorian you have people like Star wars theory of geeks and gamers, cosmonaut or many other people saying that it was good or even respectful. How so? Because Luke flew and saved our protags from the last minute being obliterated to smithereens by the dark troopers/edgy the hedgy? By simply flying into that starship and destroying all of the droids and having badly deep-faked face? The whole sequence lasted like 5-6 minutes and I was appealed how easy it is to manipulate the people into thinking that something is good. When it was revealed that it was Luke, none of our heroes were surprised or even knew who he was. WTF he is the motherfucking Luke Skywalker, the guy who fought with Galactic Empire and won (together with his friens and other ppl you get the gist) and somehow these planks somehow did not know who Luke is??? Or who are the Jedi even tho Han Solo himself acknowledges the existence of Jedi, but merely snarks at the whole idea of Jedi lol. Not to mention Luke acts bizarrely during that scene like holy shit, he's not relieved or comments on the fact that he went through all these droids and he could have gotten killed while doing that. Nothing. He just says he's come for Grogu. I wish there was Boba Fett so we could get maybe a convo between him and Luke, knowing Disney and Favrou they would fuck that up anyway. Luke for some reason does not comment on the fact that Bo-Katan is in front of him (or other mandalorians) given that both jedi and mandalorians were at war with each other during The Clone Wars and I think Bo-Katan was a leader of some part of radical extremist mandalorian group back then. Nothing?????? Not to mention the stupid "The saber cannot be given, it must be taken" in a fight bullshit when in the rebels show she was given the dark saber by one of her mandalorian soldiers LMAO. Mandalorian(the protagonist of the series) for some reason gets emotional when Grogu is taken away when he had him for a season and not even a half of it; this is "a season 5 moment", but everything in this show is so shallow and rushed it's unbelievable.
Just look at these people and what they think is good writing/storytelling:
This is the story telling we need. This is I think true storytelling is.
I have no idea what these two consoomers are talking about. I also picked some of the comments that perfectly sum up them and their arguements:
The fact that one of these guys is busy playing with his Star Wars lightsaber toy while the other is praising the writing in Mando season 2 is just the perfect image to sum up how royally fucked the Disney Star Wars is gonna be from now on. Typical consooomers.
False equivalency (comparing luke to iron man), appeal to authority (rotten tomato score), and another false equivalency (comparing liking or disliking the show to liking or disliking food) Truly, the greatest critics of our time.

And guess what, the fact that it worked on people, we're gonna get more of that. Rant end
>Skywalkers are dead
"BUT REY IDENTIFIES AS A SKYWALKER!"
... Okay, I was going to play devil's advocate but I'm not that much of a contrarian fuckhead. If mere self-identification is that powerful, I choose to identify as a wealthier and sexier man with an adoring harem cosplaying as Monogatari characters.

>That Video
The whole argument is about 3 logical fallacies poorly stitched together:
Appeal to popularity/Bandwagoning ("You're a minority, look ay what everyone else thinks!")
Appeal to authority ("The Rotten Tomatoes score!")
Appeal to personal anecdote ("Like, it's okay for you to have it in your own subjective view, but in MY subjective view...").

There's no argument here, just faulty thinking.
 

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Perhaps the first series I can recommend is that of The Legacy of the Force, which largely focuses on both Jaina and Jacen Solo, particularly the latter, his fall to the dark side, and ultimate rebirth as Darth Caedus.

Peak Star Wars basically occurs at The New Jedi Order, which is where the events of the Yuuzhan Vong invasion take place. It's around twenty or so titles, depending on what you want to include, so it's very much a complete saga on its own. This is more or less what you would want to focus on if you had to choose anything.

The last series I read through was a fitting one, as it more or less "concluded" the post-Imperial Era: the Fate of the Jedi. Certainly isn't the best the franchise has to offer storywise, but what really appealed to me was how the characters were handled (you know, with respect).

While this list of series worth reading is certainly not conclusive, I do perceive them to be the highlights of Star Wars literature after the Battle of Yavin. If you want other recommendations, then I'd have to fall back to what is likely my favorite time period in terms of the Old Republic Era.

Also, I should note in response to your last request that the vast majority of my time spent reading Star Wars were the days when I actually visited libraries. This is pretty much the reason why you may have noticed I have not a single novel belonging to it within my library. So yeah, with that in mind, I'm afraid I don't have any links to alternative methods of acquisition if that's what you had wanted.
I also used to do that a lot and my liabrary had plenty of EU comics and I have read them all: the ones I liked the most and can recommend are The Scarlet Empire trylogy and Shadows of the Empire comic.
From the nu-star wars I can only recommend The Shattered Empire two-issue mini-series, the Darth Vader 2015-2017 run, Darth Vader: The Dark Lord of Sith and...that's it. I can't really recommend anything else with comics. The rest is either just average or offensively bad (dr.Aphra run again :retard:)
Thank you both. I appreciate the recommendations. :ina-blessed::korone-blessed:
Regarding the alternative methods of acquisition, it's no problem. I actually want to read a little on what each story covers to see which one stands out to me the most and then I intend to buy it if it is not too expensive.

You forgot the weaponised hyperdrive.
If that can be done in-universe, then why the fuck haven't they equipped it on missiles and nuked each other back to the fucking stone age?
This one is probably the one that pisses me off the most. I hate just remembering it. :hana-disgust:

There is no good reason the sequel trilogy should not have focused on Finn. It began with him, and it should have ended with him. There was so much potential with his backstory, and it could have made for a very interesting, mature, and nuanced story. Of course, that's not how Disney plays, thus why we defaulted back to a worse rehash of the original trilogy.

It's just sad, because they still could have gone that route up until Jakku. It helps too that John Boyega can actually act, unlike the plastic-faced protagonist everyone got stuck with instead.

It was certainly a relief to see him be as vocal as he was about the situation after all was said and done. I'm sure he could have gone even further, but at this point I'm really worried about him being blacklisted (no pun intended :illya-smug:)
Yet another example of wasted potential (didn't forget the wasted this time @Fennec_fox :illya-smug: ). Finn could have a much more interesting journey if he was to be a Jedi (regardless of whether Mary Sue Rey would also be one or not). Someone who used to be part of the First Order becoming a Jedi. His conflicts and dark side could have brought some good story points. But instead we got Mary Sue Rey.

Man, this really fucking stings. I guess I'm a bit of a hypocrite here considering what I just replied to @Lichzim, but I was actually quite hopeful that Kenobi could have been great, considering I am of the mind that Ewan McGregor can save anything by his charm and acting prowess.

If they can't manage to get this series right, then that may just be the final nail in the coffin for me, even though if I'm being honest that thing should have been long shut, sealed, and buried by now.
I have conflicting feelings about Kenobi. I hope that they will do the characters and story justice. It could make an amazing connection between the prequel and original trilogies. But honestly? I don't think Disney can pull it out. Not with KK in charge. They don't respect the original trilogy. This makes me want them not to make this series because they can fuck things up even further. It's like the meme "Stop! Stop! He's already dead". :hibiki-pain:

Seriously, I know I sound like a broken record but it is so sad to me the state Star Wars after the Disney takeover.
 

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If mere self-identification is that powerful, I choose to identify as a wealthier and sexier man with an adoring harem cosplaying as Monogatari characters.
Based my bro, but back to the star wars:
Finn could have a much more interesting journey if he was to be a Jedi (regardless of whether Mary Sue Rey would also be one or not). Someone who used to be part of the First Order becoming a Jedi. His conflicts and dark side could have brought some good story points. But instead we got Mary Sue Rey.
I just fucking love that Disney created a character that is a mary sue template in just 5 years (technically they did it within one movie, but it took at least 2 for people to realize that and 3 to confirm the template:ohohoh:). It's so bad that characters discussing growth and development in Mando S2 were seen as intentionally dissing on Rey:kekw::kekw:. Goddamn it, how do you fuck up so much that your protagonist is seen as a meme to laugh at almost everywhere
I have conflicting feelings about Kenobi. I hope that they will do the characters and story justice. It could make an amazing connection between the prequel and original trilogies. But honestly? I don't think Disney can pull it out. Not with KK in charge. They don't respect the original trilogy. This makes me want them not to make this series because they can fuck things up even further. It's like the meme "Stop! Stop! He's already dead". :hibiki-pain:
Unfortunately for you, they kinda already confirmed that they fucked it up, because it is confirmed that both Kenobi and Darth Vader will clash at some point in the series (which was advertised as a rematch of the century or smth like that):
There's no argument here, just faulty thinking
Unfortunately, despite that these people created some fun fan-made content, the reality is that most of these people are still disnoids/fanboys who never grew out of it. They're gonna gobble it up. Just see what Disney is doing with their "+" shows for MCU (or MSHEU at this point), all of them assassinate the characters we liked or shat on the worldbuilding. Add the wokening and it's steamy, vile pile of dogshit.
 
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Unfortunately for you, they kinda already confirmed that they fucked it up, because it is confirmed that both Kenobi and Darth Vader will clash at some point in the series (which was advertised as a rematch of the century or smth like that):
Oh, right. I forgot about his video on it. I already watched it. Yeah, they are going to break the lore even further since they already announced that Darth Vader will be in it. :hibiki-pain:
 

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Suppose I'm glad I was too disinterested to pay or even pirate The Mandalorian as I've dodged quite a bait from Disney there. When the first season was airing, all I could hear about how it was a supposed return to form, even by those who like me found themselves incredibly disappointed and disillusioned with the new canon. Turns out, the series just ended up like the overwhelming majority of "good shows" made these days where they bait you in with a strong first season and fuck you without a rubber in the subsequent installments. The Boys, anyone?
I know I'm sort of digging up an old line of talk by making this post but this point's been nagging at me.
It's not just The Boys, I've heard similar complaints about others (I know people still angry at Deadwood and Carnivale come to think of it). Moreover in the event they actually do finish it, they fuck it up so bad everyone's angry and then they imply the audience has no right to get mad (Game of Thrones sort of killed my desire to ever get invested in a TV series).
But I've also noticed this in writing as well, especially in internet/fanfic spheres.

I guess... No one knows how to actually finish a story anymore?
At the very least 90% of the writing advice I see is how to get started, and the other 10% how to pitch it at a publisher.
Not sure what it is though.
 

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I guess... No one knows how to actually finish a story anymore?
This is a musing I find not only viable but also very likely as it relates to the overwhelming majority of western showrunners over the last few years.

There is a serious problem with television series as it relates to profitability. Ideally, you want your show to be watched and beloved by millions of people, which establishes it as popular and well-received and able to generate more money. Of course, most studios only care about that last point, so thus begins the inevitable process of milking. On the flipside, if your show doesn't do very well in terms of popularity, regardless of its quality, it's more likely to be canceled. There's a bit of a problem here for those who want to create and proliferate a quality series but not have it wrung out for every last penny.

When a series goes on for too long and ends poorly, it's most likely a case of either considerable studio interference (sequel baiting, pushing political narratives, etc. ) or an inability to know where to end now that the series has long since overstayed its welcome. In the case of the former, I can't think of any example more relevant and personally crushing than what happened with Dexter, though I wont spoil it for anyone who has yet to watch it. For the latter, I can think of several different ways The Walking Dead could have ended up until the point I stopped watching it, and I'm sure that number could balloon even further every subsequent season AMC has marched this festering corpse (pun definitely intended) onward.

Stories since they have been invented by mankind have always had a beginning, a middle, and an end. All three need to be properly considered and balanced if you want to share anything of quality. Unfortunately, as far as finances go, quality matters much less than pure spectacle, member berries, or political appeasement these days. Really, one only has to focus on the introductory episodes (or even the whole first season) of a series to bait as many people as possible and rake in all the normalfaggot consumers they can to become sucessful. Sad, that.
 
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