Discussion Anime is feminist

[PunishedLenny]

(this is just a repost from https://varishangout.org/b/res/382.html because why not)


gonna try to keep it short so here goes

Japanese virtual entertainment industry (JVEI) = anime, manga, games, LNs, VNs, etc
their main demographic is young men
THEREFORE, to appeal to young men, the JVEI has created a whole bunch of different female characters, of all shapes and sizes, ages, personalities, etc, to appeal to young men, thus having a lot more "female representation" than maybe western media; just look at all the shitton of CGDGT shows/manga/etc, and thats just one genre

also important: bechdel test
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test
basically: looking for media where female characters have their own plots that dont revolve around men, arent about men, etc
the dyke's assertion was that hollywood basically has none of that; look at JVEI, and its FULL of female characters with their own plots that dont include men AT ALL

yeah i got these images from google, these are a couple that i would consider to be "feminist," as in, they portray female characters in a positive light (for the most part), theyre all independent, pursuing their own goals and ambitions, have different LIKEABLE personalities (even the bitchier ones like Reina from Hibike), but they are NOT western-feminist propaganda

One of the best characters that destroys feminist propaganda is Major General Olivier Armstrong from Fullmetal Alchemist; think about it, shes a feminist's wet dream:
in a position of high authority and power (general of a whole army, in charge of an important fort)
strong (physically and mentally) fiercely independent woman who dont need no man
has her own ambitions and goals, takes no shit from no one
commands respect from men, they all follow her loyally

AND YET, shes not feminist propaganda; Arakawa never included her in the story just to dunk on toxic male patriarchy or whatever shit; Olivier is there to be a cool badass female character, not to score woke points (not that social media was big when Arakawa was writing FMA)

compare her to purple hair admiral bitch from star wars
this guy explains it pretty well

this is about TRUE authority, leadership, responsibility
purple hair admiral is a terrible character not because shes a "strong woman in charge and that scares men" ; its because shes a fucking shit leader; theres plenty of terrible male leaders, but feminists cant see past that and resort to the vagina defense to protect shitty hollywood female characters; and hell, LEIA HERSELF is an example of a better leader
in epV, when theyre discovered by the empire, she and the higher command decides to evacuate; we then get a scene where shes in the hanger, talking directly to the pilots, explaining exactly what the plan is, what the objectives are; in a time-ticking crisis of impending disaster, shes able to be a leader and LEAD (

) its a short scene, but still shes so much more better here than purple hair admiral bitch in that entire movie

also compare that armorer lady from the Mandalorian; remember when anita sarkisian (whatever the fuck her lastname is) complained about no female chars in the first episode? to be fair, she had a point, there was only one major female character, in one scene, and just with that she was a far better leader than purple hair; from the way the armorer-chief-boss lady talks, and moves, even in her small forge, she has an aura of TRUE authority, she old and wise, experienced, she knows what shes doing and its clear that Mando respects her; unlike purple hair who just got put in charge and automatically demands that everyone blindly follow her, the armorer lady has earned her position (somehow, we get no backstory, still havent gotten around to watching season2) and all the other mandalorians in that clan recognize and respect her

lets use one of milliennials' favorite series: Harry Potter (my memories are foggy since i read these when i was a kid but heres the general details)

in book 5 you get Dolores Umbridge, who is specifically written to be an absolute authoritarian bitch karen that everyone except bootlicking sycophants hates; shes hired as a new teacher and just like purple hair admiral, her "authority" style is basically "fuck you im in charge do what i tell you or else"
(

)
props to the actress for being able to play such a detestable bitch

compare her with professor McGonagall; shes older, and from the way shes written, certainly commands TRUE authority and respect; shes a "tough love" kind of teacher, but not a senseless authoritarian; she cares about her students, their wellbeing and success; of course as a responsible adult she has to place boundaries and limits on the teenage punks, discipline them and whatnot, but she never goes out of her way to fuck over a student just because

normally i hate these kinds of videos but im not gonna through the whole books just to look for examples

 

[PunishedLenny]

now to tie it all back to JVEI: basically theres are more female characters, more variety, likeable, respectable, admirable even, and none are feminist propaganda "fuck the patriarchy" sjw characters

i would post more promo art for more series but im too lazy


lets look at Maple from Bofuri; she straight up becomes a MARY SUE, yet shes too dumb to realize it, shes just having fun, so the people around her are having fun, shes a likeable character; no contrast with captain marvel and rey from starwars, theyre bland at best, or stuck up bitches

yeah. Anime is far more progressive than western media.
Yuri and Yaoi shows aren't just "look LGBT group, here is gay man who has 0 character" They have actual story and character, and just happen to be gay.
the thing people miss when they call gamers or weebs racist or homophobic or this and that, is that they/we expect good stories.
I doubt anyone here actually hates faggots, it's the fact they're so poorly written in Western media, that they feel forced in, because most of the time they are. For western companies they're just ticking a box off the diversity checklist.
It also might explain the twitfags dislike of animes representation. To a twitfag being gay is their personality, so western cardboard characters are so "omg wholesome corpo say transrights", while developed and written characters who are trans or gay but don't make it their entire personality end up being seen as yuribait or whatever else they wanna call it.

pardon the unorganized rant. I'll try and check this and respond if you want me to clarify anything

Nother thing ive been thinking about; feminists/sjws/etc could argue and say "yeah female representation is fine and all, but theyre all oversexualized so it doesnt matter"
and theyre right, JVEI girls are oversexualized; and? jap companies arent stupid, they know what sells, theyre not gonna make ugly characters that noone likes
the barbie vs he-man also highlights another problem: women see high standards and bitch; men see high standards, and either strive to achieve that, or give up; feminists hate JVEI because theres attractive characters, and they hate anything thats attractive and beautiful

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355449955452932096

https://archive.vn/9e1B3 (lmao the account got suspended)

here we have a feminists claiming that SnK makes men mad because it has strong powerful women that arent sexualized, when really most fans are still men, and the powerful women are liked because they are NOT feminist propaganda

 

[Koutoriia]

women see high standards and bitch

I feel like this is definitely more of a NA/EU cultural thing and definitely moreso in countries where there are a lot of international Internet influencers (USA/UK/Germany come to mind in particular here). It's likely more or less related to how the media over here sexes real women up all the time and seemingly enforces said agenda everywhere (see: Instagram models, TikTok pretty much entirely, flaunting parts of skin in music videos - mostly seen with Latinas and rappers due to a demand for sexualisation from the media for the former and the latter being overly obnoxiously horny), then using it with partnerships with companies for political or social gain due to their influences on 'ordinary' folk.

Japan on the other hand seems to have a lot more of a distinction and understanding of paid promotions/affiliations and has done for many years now by the looks of things: the business opportunities that seem to come with 'being a pretty woman on social media' are far less significant than they are in the West.

The same can probably be said for men somehow but I haven't been bothered to analyse it nearly as much because the subject matter doesn't interest me.

 

[Loded Diaper]

now to tie it all back to JVEI: basically theres are more female characters, more variety, likeable, respectable, admirable even, and none are feminist propaganda "fuck the patriarchy" sjw characters

i would post more promo art for more series but im too lazy


lets look at Maple from Bofuri; she straight up becomes a MARY SUE, yet shes too dumb to realize it, shes just having fun, so the people around her are having fun, shes a likeable character; no contrast with captain marvel and rey from starwars, theyre bland at best, or stuck up bitches

yeah. Anime is far more progressive than western media.
Yuri and Yaoi shows aren't just "look LGBT group, here is gay man who has 0 character" They have actual story and character, and just happen to be gay.
the thing people miss when they call gamers or weebs racist or homophobic or this and that, is that they/we expect good stories.
I doubt anyone here actually hates faggots, it's the fact they're so poorly written in Western media, that they feel forced in, because most of the time they are. For western companies they're just ticking a box off the diversity checklist.
It also might explain the twitfags dislike of animes representation. To a twitfag being gay is their personality, so western cardboard characters are so "omg wholesome corpo say transrights", while developed and written characters who are trans or gay but don't make it their entire personality end up being seen as yuribait or whatever else they wanna call it.

pardon the unorganized rant. I'll try and check this and respond if you want me to clarify anything

Nother thing ive been thinking about; feminists/sjws/etc could argue and say "yeah female representation is fine and all, but theyre all oversexualized so it doesnt matter"
and theyre right, JVEI girls are oversexualized; and? jap companies arent stupid, they know what sells, theyre not gonna make ugly characters that noone likes
the barbie vs he-man also highlights another problem: women see high standards and bitch; men see high standards, and either strive to achieve that, or give up; feminists hate JVEI because theres attractive characters, and they hate anything thats attractive and beautiful

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1355449955452932096

https://archive.vn/9e1B3 (lmao the account got suspended)

here we have a feminists claiming that SnK makes men mad because it has strong powerful women that arent sexualized, when really most fans are still men, and the powerful women are liked because they are NOT feminist propaganda

Can i steal this?

 

[haux]

(this is just a repost from https://varishangout.org/b/res/382.html because why not)


gonna try to keep it short so here goes

Japanese virtual entertainment industry (JVEI) = anime, manga, games, LNs, VNs, etc
their main demographic is young men
THEREFORE, to appeal to young men, the JVEI has created a whole bunch of different female characters, of all shapes and sizes, ages, personalities, etc, to appeal to young men, thus having a lot more "female representation" than maybe western media; just look at all the shitton of CGDGT shows/manga/etc, and thats just one genre

also important: bechdel test
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test
basically: looking for media where female characters have their own plots that dont revolve around men, arent about men, etc
the dyke's assertion was that hollywood basically has none of that; look at JVEI, and its FULL of female characters with their own plots that dont include men AT ALL

yeah i got these images from google, these are a couple that i would consider to be "feminist," as in, they portray female characters in a positive light (for the most part), theyre all independent, pursuing their own goals and ambitions, have different LIKEABLE personalities (even the bitchier ones like Reina from Hibike), but they are NOT western-feminist propaganda

One of the best characters that destroys feminist propaganda is Major General Olivier Armstrong from Fullmetal Alchemist; think about it, shes a feminist's wet dream:
in a position of high authority and power (general of a whole army, in charge of an important fort)
strong (physically and mentally) fiercely independent woman who dont need no man
has her own ambitions and goals, takes no shit from no one
commands respect from men, they all follow her loyally

AND YET, shes not feminist propaganda; Arakawa never included her in the story just to dunk on toxic male patriarchy or whatever shit; Olivier is there to be a cool badass female character, not to score woke points (not that social media was big when Arakawa was writing FMA)

compare her to purple hair admiral bitch from star wars
this guy explains it pretty well

this is about TRUE authority, leadership, responsibility
purple hair admiral is a terrible character not because shes a "strong woman in charge and that scares men" ; its because shes a fucking shit leader; theres plenty of terrible male leaders, but feminists cant see past that and resort to the vagina defense to protect shitty hollywood female characters; and hell, LEIA HERSELF is an example of a better leader
in epV, when theyre discovered by the empire, she and the higher command decides to evacuate; we then get a scene where shes in the hanger, talking directly to the pilots, explaining exactly what the plan is, what the objectives are; in a time-ticking crisis of impending disaster, shes able to be a leader and LEAD (

) its a short scene, but still shes so much more better here than purple hair admiral bitch in that entire movie

also compare that armorer lady from the Mandalorian; remember when anita sarkisian (whatever the fuck her lastname is) complained about no female chars in the first episode? to be fair, she had a point, there was only one major female character, in one scene, and just with that she was a far better leader than purple hair; from the way the armorer-chief-boss lady talks, and moves, even in her small forge, she has an aura of TRUE authority, she old and wise, experienced, she knows what shes doing and its clear that Mando respects her; unlike purple hair who just got put in charge and automatically demands that everyone blindly follow her, the armorer lady has earned her position (somehow, we get no backstory, still havent gotten around to watching season2) and all the other mandalorians in that clan recognize and respect her

lets use one of milliennials' favorite series: Harry Potter (my memories are foggy since i read these when i was a kid but heres the general details)

in book 5 you get Dolores Umbridge, who is specifically written to be an absolute authoritarian bitch karen that everyone except bootlicking sycophants hates; shes hired as a new teacher and just like purple hair admiral, her "authority" style is basically "fuck you im in charge do what i tell you or else"
(

)
props to the actress for being able to play such a detestable bitch

compare her with professor McGonagall; shes older, and from the way shes written, certainly commands TRUE authority and respect; shes a "tough love" kind of teacher, but not a senseless authoritarian; she cares about her students, their wellbeing and success; of course as a responsible adult she has to place boundaries and limits on the teenage punks, discipline them and whatnot, but she never goes out of her way to fuck over a student just because

normally i hate these kinds of videos but im not gonna through the whole books just to look for examples

I think this all can resume this to: It depends of the piece. Western feminist media is generally trash but some animes also aren't that feminist since female characters are shallow, specially Harem ones.

 

[PhantomXero1x]

a few years later and they still make the same claims every fucking time.