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They'll love you there
Koutoriia
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Wow, I haven't been here in about a year.
Seems to be increased in people who have certain overlapping fetishes (autogynephilia/transvestic, coprophilia/eproctophilia, necrophilia, etc) and also in autistic people who are more likely to develop deviant fetishes at all, at least the 'visibly autistic' ones who look ugly, have niche interests compared to the rest of the population in general, and which tend to be the ones who end up with no IRL friends after primary school thus gravitating to the internet for social outlet*.
Also what if someone argues the idea of lolicon is inherently pedophilic (because well, it is in a weird complex way, you can especially argue this for 3DCG and anything that's been based off a real person 2D or 3D-generated), but doesn't necessarily consider it worth banning or whatever? Going from what I've seen online I've definitely met a lot of lolicons who were also attracted to real-life children and well, I'd rather discourage actual looking at Cornish Pasties (c'mon, cheese pizza is such an overused term!)
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You are aware that you come off as very presumptuous dont you?
First of all, people here explicitly argue about 2d fictional lolis, no one here likes 3dcg shit and most of, if not all of us, are against anything based off of real people
Second none the lolicons I know are pedos and I know a fair few of them. The point is that is circumstancial evidence. It just says that some lolicons are pedos which wasnt really for discussion there are sick people in every community
As an aside, whenever I ve seen a pedo lolicon they seem to be under the delusion that everyone is like them, probably to justify their deviant behaviour.
Personally I would not give them the time of day, but i wont tell you who to make friends with
As for your question I think only someone with a psychology background could properly respond. Personally I dont think it hurts or helps them, so as long as they are getting the appropriate treatment to not be a danger to kids. They are free to watch that
Koutoriia
varishangout.com
Haven't been here for about a year. Plus I'm not the target audience of the site, if I remember right.
I believe the last thing you said applies over on a lot of other places too, including places related to 3dcg - there was one guy who had their works banned from being published on lolicit in any form because it turned out the guy was literally pasting actual faces onto his models. Pretty fucked up. (Yes, this implies I have an account over there, though I basically never go over there anymore...)
Yeah, all depends. I've (personally) noticed that there's more of a likelihood of both being the case if the person is emotionally and mentally immature, as in, literally stuck in a 'child' mindset (which often hands itself to things like troons and extreme-leftism).
Can't really comment on that as I haven't seen it personally. I've seen more backhanders and weird shit going on, such as fairly recently, someone getting called out by the owner of a Taito-related Discord server because he effectively turned himself in on his Twitter (right after spamming me with about 50 messages simply saying "XXXXXXXXXX LOVES 4 YEAR OLD GIRLS").
Turns out the guy calling him out is extremely close friends with "Lain", someone who sent a friend of mine CP while working on a SM64 project with them, and using influence of highly-respected-yet-shitty people in the SM64 community, framed the other person and got them removed from a bunch of shit. (Interestingly, said person tried to follow scratch straight after the callout... I just told him to block, and he did, lol)
Funny how shit just goes around and comes around, huh.
Depends who it is I guess.
Agree.
If you dont mind me asking. Not trying to be confrontational, but why did you comeback to the forum if, as you said, are not the intended audience?
All I know about lolicit is that it is a paid site for loli content. Never cared too much about it given that there are so many other free options out there
And yeah there are people that project their awfulness onto others or make stuff up to attack others. To be fair though I have seen that more prominently among people that like to go on moral crusades, and then it turns out they were the ones with the skeletons on their closet. Not everyone mind you but enough to be a little suspicious about it
haux
varishangout.com
"Lolicon increases risks of child abuse!"
There was no single proof or study or statistic ever saying that loli increases the risk of grooming and raping children. That's just a baseless assumption.
"Lolicons are p3d0s"
Not everyone who is atraccted to lolis is atraccted to children irl and frankly, even if the majority of lolicons were people with the paraphilia, does that really matter? Not every single pedophile is going to offend against children, there are ones who got SA as a kid and because of that don't want to abuse children. I ain't gonna deny that there are pedos who are all about fucking with kids and just don't do it because it's illegal, but there's also ones who don't want to do it for moral or empathetic reasons. If there is no evidence that loli makes pedo urges worse, why ban it? Making it illegal would make them develop skills to enter in the dark web, which would make it easier to people atraccted to children to see ACTUAL pictures and videos of children. Hell, let people who got cursed with you disorder and can't get help at least have some kind of therapy or way to relieve themselves without hurting actual children.
There was no single proof or study or statistic ever saying that loli increases the risk of grooming and raping children. That's just a baseless assumption.
"Lolicons are p3d0s"
Not everyone who is atraccted to lolis is atraccted to children irl and frankly, even if the majority of lolicons were people with the paraphilia, does that really matter? Not every single pedophile is going to offend against children, there are ones who got SA as a kid and because of that don't want to abuse children. I ain't gonna deny that there are pedos who are all about fucking with kids and just don't do it because it's illegal, but there's also ones who don't want to do it for moral or empathetic reasons. If there is no evidence that loli makes pedo urges worse, why ban it? Making it illegal would make them develop skills to enter in the dark web, which would make it easier to people atraccted to children to see ACTUAL pictures and videos of children. Hell, let people who got cursed with you disorder and can't get help at least have some kind of therapy or way to relieve themselves without hurting actual children.
So something I've noticed, one that's been pointed out in memes but never explained by these people:
Why is it when the cartoon character is an "adult", the fact its a cartoon takes precedent. But when the cartoon character is a "child", the fact its a "child" takes precedent? Fundamentally both are cartoons. Its not even like people are jacking off to actually realistic looking child characters like Bobby Hill. These people seriously look at someone thinking the frog girl from MHA is hot and assume they want to fuck teenage girls IRL (none of whom can even look like that without some rare disorder) because of it?
Newsflash, a drawing of a fake person still isn't fucking real regardless of how they look. The "house argument" (that retarded Turning Red meme you see them using) fails to distinguish being a drawing of Madison Square Garden and a drawing of I dunno a fucking Rattata.
Why is it when the cartoon character is an "adult", the fact its a cartoon takes precedent. But when the cartoon character is a "child", the fact its a "child" takes precedent? Fundamentally both are cartoons. Its not even like people are jacking off to actually realistic looking child characters like Bobby Hill. These people seriously look at someone thinking the frog girl from MHA is hot and assume they want to fuck teenage girls IRL (none of whom can even look like that without some rare disorder) because of it?
Newsflash, a drawing of a fake person still isn't fucking real regardless of how they look. The "house argument" (that retarded Turning Red meme you see them using) fails to distinguish being a drawing of Madison Square Garden and a drawing of I dunno a fucking Rattata.
Honestly if people use memes to argue then its the same as no having an argument helk they re probably just parroting some opinion they saw some idiotic e-celeb make on twitterSo something I've noticed, one that's been pointed out in memes but never explained by these people:
Why is it when the cartoon character is an "adult", the fact its a cartoon takes precedent. But when the cartoon character is a "child", the fact its a "child" takes precedent? Fundamentally both are cartoons. Its not even like people are jacking off to actually realistic looking child characters like Bobby Hill. These people seriously look at someone thinking the frog girl from MHA is hot and assume they want to fuck teenage girls IRL (none of whom can even look like that without some rare disorder) because of it?
Newsflash, a drawing of a fake person still isn't fucking real regardless of how they look. The "house argument" (that retarded Turning Red meme you see them using) fails to distinguish being a drawing of Madison Square Garden and a drawing of I dunno a fucking Rattata.
Personally I wouldnt call bobby hill realistic. More realistic than an anime character yes, but still looks more like a potato thing imo
Also what turning red meme are you talking about?
I see yeah thats a pretty dumb argument besides the fact that a drawing is still drawing regardless of detail most lolicons dont like realistic stuff anyways
That reminds me of one argument that I saw pop up again thanks to Quora of all places: that lolicon/other 'underaged' anime material is a gateway drug to real criminal material.
Most of these claims are based on the idea of "porn escalation", which has little to back it up beyond anecdotes on Reddit. There was a Guardian (faggots) article by a behavioral therapist I think that acknowledged that most consumers of degen porn don't end up diddling their own sister or kids or w/e the fuck but makes an article about escalation anyways.
If this were true, we'd see way more lolicons than we currently do, and maybe quite a bit more lolicons go onto toddlercon, but from what I've seen, people's interests in anime characters remain stable. There's the phenomena of 'discovering' fetishes you didn't know you had but that's not remotely equivalent to escalation much less any Bush-era theory about the devil's lettuce applied to weebshit.
What's stopping someone into Yoko Littner from moving onto loli characters? Well maybe they just aren't interested in lolis or their common traits at all.
Most of these claims are based on the idea of "porn escalation", which has little to back it up beyond anecdotes on Reddit. There was a Guardian (faggots) article by a behavioral therapist I think that acknowledged that most consumers of degen porn don't end up diddling their own sister or kids or w/e the fuck but makes an article about escalation anyways.
If this were true, we'd see way more lolicons than we currently do, and maybe quite a bit more lolicons go onto toddlercon, but from what I've seen, people's interests in anime characters remain stable. There's the phenomena of 'discovering' fetishes you didn't know you had but that's not remotely equivalent to escalation much less any Bush-era theory about the devil's lettuce applied to weebshit.
What's stopping someone into Yoko Littner from moving onto loli characters? Well maybe they just aren't interested in lolis or their common traits at all.
Gun
varishangout.com
People need to make a distinction between the of the average loli looks and the average child looks. Sure, they have smaller proportions and big heads, but they still don't necessarily look like children in real life. Lolis have full teeth, don't wear clothes that the average kids wears and plenty of lolis still have sexual characteristics like that one girl from One Punch Man.
I really don't understand why people think that honestly. Look, I'm a lolicon and all but I can a least understand why a normie would be worried if a lolicon is p... or is at least curious about why we find lolis attracctive, specially older people or people new in the anime community. (If that's the case, I can fully calmly explain things to them without roasting their shit, now I have no patience for twitter stupid shit and people roasting your shit and calling u a nonce and saying that u should die because of a drawing.) Now, with teen characters? Like come on, most of them don't even look like the average teen. People unronically calling u a pedophile because you found Nagatoro, Nesuko, Tsuyo, Miu Iruma, Aiko and other minor characters attracctive need to be admitted to a psychiatric clinic. Most of these girls have practically no difference from the 18+ characters.
I have seen people arguing that drawing NSFW of these characters when you are a minor is ok but when you are an adult it's not, like come on, what's the logic here? You can find that one 15 yo character who doesn't have the actual looks of teen hot when u are a teen but when you turn 18 you just can't find them hot anymore because they are "mentally a child" when she has little to no difference from both personality and looks of 18+ characters. Plus, wouldn't that be CP production by their own logic?
This argument is one of the most stupid arguments anti lolicons use. Like come on, u really can't tell the difference between a perfect drawing of a house which just looks exactly like someone's house and a NSFW drawing of Kanna?
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Gun
varishangout.com
"Videogames cause violence"
I just wish people could understand that if there's a hot actress and she's bagging a hot dude people will jerk of to it whether in the fictional content they are siblings or not. U have all the right to find this sick, but you can't make a bunch of assumptions on people who watch such content or make claims with no statistics that this increases incest. People who find their siblings attractive and have sexual or romantic urges towards them will still have them whether there are incest porn or not. I highly doubt Alabama is like that because of porn.
Ironically, a lot of lolicons I know are still into this sort of character.
Branman65
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Shut the fuck up sex is so much more than “stimulation”. Plus it’s something only a husband and wife should do
Alright so does anyone have information on the "shouselaw" and other sites anti-loli guys use as evidence for their claims? Are they actually valid attorneys? The idea that a lawyer from California can define a term coined by Japanese nerds is retarded regardless but hey.
Shouselaw has a YouTube channel as well, likely just repeating what they say on their articles verbatim.
Shouselaw has a YouTube channel as well, likely just repeating what they say on their articles verbatim.
My advice is to quit being ironic lolicons by bending over backwards to prove you aren't a pedophile and instead saying "so what if I am? It's harmless".
Also I want to clear up a misunderstanding I see a lot with regards to the Protect Act. The PA was never ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, it's still in effect. However, the PA doesn't outlaw loli unless it's found to be obscene in a court of law. Obscenity laws are blatantly anti free speech, yet the country that prides itself on freedom still has them in place. Ironic.
Also I want to clear up a misunderstanding I see a lot with regards to the Protect Act. The PA was never ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court, it's still in effect. However, the PA doesn't outlaw loli unless it's found to be obscene in a court of law. Obscenity laws are blatantly anti free speech, yet the country that prides itself on freedom still has them in place. Ironic.
My advice for you is to get yourself committed to the loony bin before you hurt someone, and leave us "ironic lolicons" be.
There are a lot of dumb laws in place, it only matters if they are enforced or not.
Obscenity convictions are rare, but they still happen. Thomas Arthur got 40 years about a year and a half ago. As for loli specific cases Christopher Handley got 6 months back in 2009.