Discussion BDSM, Ageplay & Lolicon

[Cold3000]

Wanna pick everyone's brain here.

I've been hanging out on more kink/BDSM friendly spaces and noticed some correlation between lolicon and the brat/brat tamer and age play kinks that is already quite established in kink friendly spaces.

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The correlation is quite apparent in a lot of online play and hentai doujins. The lolis/brats often don't act like children but adults with appearance and mannerisms that are child-like. The uwus, the kusogakki, the ero-gakki, etc. The lolicon/brat tamer, often declare the "child" needs "correction" and "discipline".

Kinda uncanny if these two subculture are so similar if they never influence each other.

Fetish and kink spaces are more adult orientated and kink friendly so you don't get weird wild accusations of pedophilia compared to wider Twitter spaces.

 

[Hexasheep93]

Wanna pick everyone's brain here.

I've been hanging out on more kink/BDSM friendly spaces and noticed some correlation between lolicon and the brat/brat tamer and age play kinks that is already quite established in kink friendly spaces.

Being a 'Brat' in the Bedroom Isn't What You Think It Is

Here's what to know about the BDSM term.

www.menshealth.com

What Is Age Play? - Kink Lovers

Have you heard of age play? Learn the basics of age play: read the definition, discover some common age play myths, find out about age role play, and terms.

kinklovers.com

The correlation is quite apparent in a lot of online play and hentai doujins. The lolis/brats often don't act like children but adults with appearance and mannerisms that are child-like. The uwus, the kusogakki, the ero-gakki, etc. The lolicon/brat tamer, often declare the "child" needs "correction" and "discipline".

Kinda uncanny if these two subculture are so similar if they never influence each other.

Fetish and kink spaces are more adult orientated and kink friendly so you don't get weird wild accusations of pedophilia compared to wider Twitter spaces.

Age play is a bridge too far for me, I like my stuff to stay within fiction. But then Im not into rp or kink in general. I mean It certainly could be interesting to see people's opinion on the subject.

As for fetish and kink spaces being less jugdemental... it really depends. Ive seen many that call themselves part of that community attack other for liking loli/shota stuff

 

[Cold3000]

Age play is a bridge too far for me, I like my stuff to stay within fiction. But then Im not into rp or kink in general. I mean It certainly could be interesting to see people's opinion on the subject.

As for fetish and kink spaces being less jugdemental... it really depends. Ive seen many that call themselves part of that community attack other for liking loli/shota stuff

The weird thing about how Ageplay is discussed in mainstream is often an unattractive person pretending to be a baby in a binky, which is a turn off for many people.

But if you think about it, the "naughty school girl" trope that is quite popular is also a form of Ageplay. Loli cosplayed by adult cosplayers are also very popular, albeit they got harassment for being "pedo bait" too.

 

[Gun]

Wanna pick everyone's brain here.

I've been hanging out on more kink/BDSM friendly spaces and noticed some correlation between lolicon and the brat/brat tamer and age play kinks that is already quite established in kink friendly spaces.

Being a 'Brat' in the Bedroom Isn't What You Think It Is

Here's what to know about the BDSM term.

www.menshealth.com

What Is Age Play? - Kink Lovers

Have you heard of age play? Learn the basics of age play: read the definition, discover some common age play myths, find out about age role play, and terms.

kinklovers.com

The correlation is quite apparent in a lot of online play and hentai doujins. The lolis/brats often don't act like children but adults with appearance and mannerisms that are child-like. The uwus, the kusogakki, the ero-gakki, etc. The lolicon/brat tamer, often declare the "child" needs "correction" and "discipline".

Kinda uncanny if these two subculture are so similar if they never influence each other.

Fetish and kink spaces are more adult orientated and kink friendly so you don't get weird wild accusations of pedophilia compared to wider Twitter spaces.

Idk man, as long as you do this to an adult I don't care about your kink.

 

[saltycoinsandmilk]

often an unattractive person pretending to be a baby in a binky, which is a turn off for many people.

that's ABDL and there's been a long-established overlap between troondom and that

The weird thing about how Ageplay is discussed in mainstream

the mistake people are somehow making is discussing sexual things outside the bedroom or in mostly private enclosures like this one

 

[Cold3000]

that's ABDL and there's been a long-established overlap between troondom and that


the mistake people are somehow making is discussing sexual things outside the bedroom or in mostly private enclosures like this one

Think because people are now more open to discussing kinks and sexual preferences publicly, and feel its kinda important to discuss it so to be sexually compatible with a potential partner.

You wouldn't want to end up with someone who thinks ageplay is "literal pedophilia" if yourself is into ageplay. Same to other kinks as well.

 

[YakuInTheFlesh]

more open to discussing kinks and sexual preferences publicly

This shouldn't be a thing. The whole sex positivity BS has lead to slowly normalizing kinks that should not be legal.

the "naughty school girl" trope that is quite popular

The problem here is that kinks are more of a spectrum. NSG can still be a 18+ year old that is a bit bratty, but the kink could go all the way down to ABDL.

I usually hate the "but think of the kids" thing, but in this case it fits. Kinks should stay behind a locked door and shouldn't be brought out into public, since fetishes often develop in the younger years. This leads to every new generation to be more and more extreme, which leads back to it normalizing this behavior and them starting to push the boundaries.
We are seeing this with e.g. "MAPs" a.k.a. "Out of the closet pedos", Zoophiles, Troons.
When you normalize your kinks they can become a way of life and when that happens on a broad scale we will soon have people what feminists always screech about. Rape Culture.

 

[Hexasheep93]

This shouldn't be a thing. The whole sex positivity BS has lead to slowly normalizing kinks that should not be legal.

Out of curiosity which kinks do you think should be illegal. Cause honestly I cant think of any, so long as it is done between consenting adults. There are some kinks I do not like but I dont think they should be illegal

I usually hate the "but think of the kids" thing, but in this case it fits. Kinks should stay behind a locked door and shouldn't be brought out into public, since fetishes often develop in the younger years. This leads to every new generation to be more and more extreme, which leads back to it normalizing this behavior and them starting to push the boundaries.
We are seeing this with e.g. "MAPs" a.k.a. "Out of the closet pedos", Zoophiles, Troons.
When you normalize your kinks they can become a way of life and when that happens on a broad scale we will soon have people what feminists always screech about. Rape Culture.

I both agree and disagree. People certainly are oversharing too much about their stuff. Which can lead to some sketchy stuff.
But I do not think is only that.

For starters the whole trans thing is more a body image psychological issue. Honestly the femboy thing is probably a more apt example for a kink related to gender.

Secondly while too much openness about kinks and such can be detrimental. Completely closing it off is also bad. I mean look around the world. In south korea porn is banned yet you cant find a toilet that doesnt have spy camera on it. Or countries in the middle east where they are extremely conservative about sex yet we have gang rapes and literal child sex slaves

So yeah we should tone down things a bit but completely closing it off is not a great idea either imo

 

[Cold3000]

I usually hate the "but think of the kids" thing, but in this case it fits. Kinks should stay behind a locked door and shouldn't be brought out into public, since fetishes often develop in the younger years. This leads to every new generation to be more and more extreme, which leads back to it normalizing this behavior and them starting to push the boundaries.

Well, the common counter argument is, is the world catered to children/socio-legal children or adults? Should the adults censor themselves because minors might be influenced or should it be minors who should not enter adult spaces/consume adult content? Its the age old shifting of responsibilities between parents/guardians, minors, adults and government.

We are seeing this with e.g. "MAPs" a.k.a. "Out of the closet pedos", Zoophiles, Troons.

Anyway, I believe actual child predators and Zoos are very much outliers that can be properly contained with proper management of law enforcement resources and education in CORRECTLY recognizing child predatory behaviours. A lot of the time, accusations of pedophilia on social media is so toxic that its not even pedophilia at all, they're just teachers giving age appropriate sex education (depends on how accurate the new story is), kinky adults, large adult age gaps, height difference and drawings.

For Troons, they weird me out sometimes but as long as they're respectful adults and don't break any laws, they're not really a problem.

When you normalize your kinks they can become a way of life and when that happens on a broad scale we will soon have people what feminists always screech about. Rape Culture.

I'm more on the optimistic side that open discussion of kinks actually can help weed out some of the more toxic feminist talking point about "rape culture" because kink culture have heavy emphasis on consent, responsibility and communication. Meaning women (and men of course) who engage in kink have the responsibility of knowing what they want to get into and communicate it properly with their partner(s). Everything is above board.

Eg: Women who identifies as exhibitionists should know they voyeurs are going to watch them. None of these weird E-Girls pseudo exhibitionist that sell their pics online then complain guys look at them IRL.

 

[Hexasheep93]

Well, the common counter argument is, is the world catered to children/socio-legal children or adults? Should the adults censor themselves because minors might be influenced or should it be minors who should not enter adult spaces/consume adult content? Its the age old shifting of responsibilities between parents/guardians, minors, adults and government.

Im of the opinion that minors should not be allowed in adult spaces, hell I think kids should not be on social media. But since thats not really possible without infringing on the freedom of others in a major way. I think more emphasis should be put on making sure the parents educate their kid properly

Anyway, I believe actual child predators and Zoos are very much outliers that can be properly contained with proper management of law enforcement resources

Thats fine but another issue regarding maps and zoo (well another one of many ) is similar to that of incels or otherkin (is that still a thing?) a group of mentally unwell people that instead of trying to work together to overcome their demons, they just decided that "its society fault" and not them. Now sure echochambers are a common thing on the internet, but I think its a little disingenous to say that the increase sharing of kinks and sexual stuff did not have a role in creating those groups.

A lot of the time, accusations of pedophilia on social media is so toxic that its not even pedophilia at all, they're just teachers giving age appropriate sex education (depends on how accurate the new story is), kinky adults, large adult age gaps, height difference and drawings.

For Troons, they weird me out sometimes but as long as they're respectful adults and don't break any laws, they're not really a problem.

True, anyone that has been on social media can tell that the word pedo has lost any meaning at this point.
That said I do take exception to the teachers educating children argument. Disregarding the worryingly higher amount of incidents of abuse involving teachers.
The truth is that school teachers are simply not equipped to properly tackle such a serious and delicate issue. In a perfect world parents would take time to properly educate their own kids about this subject. But since this Is not a perfect world the second best would be to bring an actual expert on the field and have them teach the kids, instead of having the pe teacher google "how to sex ed" the week before the class.

As for the trans people I do not mind them. As long as they dont try to push that egg nonsense on to kids.

 

[YakuInTheFlesh]

Out of curiosity which kinks do you think should be illegal

One thing would be any kink that makes people cripples and this become a burden on other people. Or kinks that are non consenting e.g. people who cum on other people in public.

In south korea porn is banned

Or countries in the middle east where they are extremely conservative about sex

We do see that porn created a huge expectation within people for their first time and people who try to emulate porn. Letting kids slowly discover themselves once they hit puberty and teaching them how to do it safely is not a problem. Having them consume extreme forms of porn on the internet is a problem.

So yeah we should tone down things a bit but completely closing it off is not a great idea either imo

I agree and might have worded it badly.

should it be minors who should not enter adult spaces/consume adult content

I feel it's a parents job to protect kids from entering the adult world to fast. However in Denmark (I think) they have a designated park where gays can have outdoor sex after a certain time. That time was something like 16:00. Or those people that walk around in full BDSM attire with their mistresses. IMO that is encroaching on a space that should be safe for kids.
The world shouldn't have to cater to one group only, but you need that separation of "This is space is for everyone including kids" and "This space is for Adults".

Anyway, I believe actual child predators and Zoos are very much outliers that can be properly contained with proper management

That's why I specifically mentioned MAPs. They wanted to be part of the Alphabet people and thus get some kind of protection for their action. If they do it one step at a time and are allowed to do that we will soon have the first court cases where
successfully defend grooming and fucking a child, which in turn sets a precedent.

kink culture have heavy emphasis on consent, responsibility and communication

That's because they don't want to necessarily get what they do out in the open. But once it's normalized, I believe, that would slowly shift, since they no longer have to hide it from others.

I think kids should not be on social media

Many have rules that one needs to be 13+, but this is rarely enforced.

I think more emphasis should be put on making sure the parents educate their kid properly

The current generation sadly doesn't give a shit about their own kids. They give little Timmy an iPad so he shuts up and are then offended at everyone but themselves when he ends up on a ISIS beheading video.