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ninja8tyu

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Daily Bullshit #6
I just finished playing a session of Genshin, and I find this as soon as I get off it.

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Yeah. People say Twitter was a mistake, but people forget that the idiots we encounter are real people who exist in the real world.
Humanity itself is the true mistake.

He hasn't been caught diddling a kid, but he has been caught saying that kids can consent.
Which is a whole other essay to discuss the reality of what actually is, but simply put, adults fucking kids practically always is immoral due to power dynamics, control, and manipulation.
Ironically, I don't think that's obvious, because most people just chalk it off as being "immoral" and go on their day, not even knowing what immorality even is.
But then again, most people go about their lives without knowing how their toilets work, so whatever.

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Yeah, attraction to cartoons is a thing in of itself.
Besides the nature of existence, appearance, etc, I think it should be obvious why it's a thing in of itself.

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Yep. Same old arguments.
How many times have we gone through this?

Oh yeah, by the way.
I'm well aware of what Antis mean whenever they say something like "Pedophilia is attraction to children, Lolis are an abstract of that youthful physique, therefore Lolicons are Pedos."
Everyone chooses to avoid answering it directly, which I'm glad they do, because I've never seen anyone answer it properly.
That question is leading as fuck, and anyone with a functional instinct and intelligence won't follow that purple carrot stick.

Within the layman and common use of the word, pedophilia is a synonym for creep, but likely could be defined as "the attraction to the abstract concept of youth."
By that definition, sure, Lolicons are Pedophiles.
By that definition, pedophiles are no longer the traditional definition, nor accurate to its description in the legal and psych fields.
As in, if you're going to redefine "pedophile" to include attraction to drawings and non-offending individuals, then you basically strip it of everything that it meant and was correlated to when the definition was more specific and less abstract and broad.

If the definition of murderer was abstracted to mean "one that has experienced the sensation of taking a conceptual representation of life," then besides every kid that stepped on an ant, anyone who killed a dude in a video game would also be a murderer by definition, but because of that, murderer no longer holds nor should hold the same meaning it once had.

People like to complain about how lolicons like arguing semantics, but they're clearly mentally incompetent.
If you redefine "Nazi" to include every single human on this planet, then at that fucking point, you can't exactly claim that all Nazis are bad anymore, because you changed the entire fucking word and what it means.
Redefine "literally" to be able to be used in a figurative way, and literally no longer literally means literally. Which literally happened.

Yes, words change meaning. That's natural.
But these idiots don't seem to understand what that exactly entails.
Or maybe they do, at minimum subconsciously.

But simply put, they just want to police thoughts. Because surely that ethical, definitely works, and can't turn out bad.
In the end, they're moral arbiters who think they can determine what's moral and not, and attempt to do that by making things out to be worse than what it actually is.


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I seriously refuse to believe anything this dude says is genuine, but this dude seems way too genuine than I think is comfortable.
I've seen dedicated trolls, yes, but this doesn't quite trigger that troll sense.

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Re-Read above essay.
TL;DR: If pedophilia includes people who don't harm anyone and people who aren't attracted to real children, then it's not "pedophilia" in the way you use it.

Lolicons don't like to be grouped with pedophiles because practically every lolicon isn't attracted to real children.
To change who is included in the definition of a word, also changes everything else about it.

And well. Regardless of all that bullshit...
Seriously calling an entire group of people as "not human" in order to make a fucking point?

Again, it's the same old bullshit, day in, day out.
Same arguments, same words, same memes, same "proof," the only thing different are the names.
The only real surprise is when people are more open about their true intentions than the rest of their friends.

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Mr. Funny Guy

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Ph.D in Twitter Law

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Moral Arbiter

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To-Love-Ru never had that message, nor ever did anything of the sort.
Especially in the first episode, which this screenshot's from.
Also this anime contains a lot of loli and shota shit, so also rather ironic that even if such a claim were true, they somehow knew by watching what they're mocking.

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Coping and Seething
A moral arbiter that had a meltdown.
 

Narbray

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I have always had a question, is it true that this law does not apply in the United States?
I have read some cases of people who were sentenced for it ...:zt-think:
 

ninja8tyu

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I have always had a question, is it true that this law does not apply in the United States?
I have read some cases of people who were sentenced for it ...:zt-think:
did some barebones research (http://cbldf.org/criminal-prosecutions-of-manga/), and
the law was enforced early in its implementation, but likely eventually was deemed unconstitutional
from the cases i've seen from my source, well, it's the same arguments antis use to this day which yet again proves that amercians are retarded as a whole

however, anti-manga and decency laws are still enforced in other places, and some authorities in the us still treat anime and shit as code words for child porn
which, honestly, has made me lose hope that the authorities are even capable of rescuing real kids instead of being the soldiers in a moral crusade over drawings.
 

Narbray

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did some barebones research (http://cbldf.org/criminal-prosecutions-of-manga/), and
the law was enforced early in its implementation, but likely eventually was deemed unconstitutional
from the cases i've seen from my source, well, it's the same arguments antis use to this day which yet again proves that amercians are retarded as a whole
good shit to comply with the law, all those cases are completely unfair and almost discriminatory by the jury
That is a bit scary, really, luckily most of them are quite old cases and I imagine that today's juries know a little more about the subject.
* let's put aside that canada is a big corrupt garbage

it is terrible when the jury or the prosecution does not use their heads correctly, quite deplorable
Those are some of the cases that I have read, but I had not investigated that much and did not know that they were so unfair, literally in some cases the jury did not even allow the defense to access the material they needed to defend themselves. , terrible
however, anti-manga and decency laws are still enforced in other places, and some authorities in the us still treat anime and shit as code words for child porn
which, honestly, has made me lose hope that the authorities are even capable of rescuing real kids instead of being the soldiers in a moral crusade over drawings.
It is easier to attack drawings than to rescue real children, these people just want to show that they are actually working, even if the work they do is shit. Another deplorable theme, but common in society
 

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The two sides of this conversation are so extreme that i can't take either seriously. It's just flat out funny to me at this point.
 

ninja8tyu

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i'm assuming i'm one of what's being considered extreme, since i tend to be an extremist in a lot of things.

as for what's extreme, i dunno.
 

Narbray

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I don't consider myself extreme ... but I guess I'm not exempt from doing and saying pretty extreme things from time to time :zt-think:

that's why I asked what they mean
 

ninja8tyu

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Daily Bullshit #7
Not even gonna bother commentating on this.
The same things I've repeated the last 6 times remain applicable.
I'm not in the mood to write the same thread I've always had a 7th time.

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The beginning.

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Unfortunately, I didn't bother screenshoting this when it occurred.
This apparently is her deleted tweet:
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Jesus Christ, Allah and Buddha, there were so many TBA VTubers on the scene.
I'd say I'm a hypocrite for also being one at one point, but I always planned to debut ASAP and I've already debuted :kekw:
 

AK-12

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Daily Bullshit #7
Not even gonna bother commentating on this.
The same things I've repeated the last 6 times remain applicable.
I'm not in the mood to write the same thread I've always had a 7th time.

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Jesus Christ, Allah and Buddha, there were so many TBA VTubers on the scene.
I'd say I'm a hypocrite for also being one at one point, but I always planned to debut ASAP and I've already debuted :kekw:
What do you expect? "TBA Vtuber" is like the new tranny flag. You can instantly spot obnoxious retards with these. Trend-jumpers and Twitter crackheads. That what you can expect from 99% of those wannabe "Vtubers". More like "Vtweeter"
 

ninja8tyu

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Daily Bullshit #8
Well, not really as much bullshit as usual, but I just wanna start off with something funny.
Another Awesome Facts Gimmick has popped up (is anyone keeping track of how many there are? there were like 70 last time i checked) and their friends aren't pleased that this dumbass decided to QRT Lolicon hentai.

As usual, these people like to seek out things to get mad at.
I'd say I'd be worried if this suicide threat was genuine, but thing is, it's blatantly obvious this dude's fishing for attention.

Again, the #LoliconPrideMonth is literally a joke.
It has never trended, and honestly, I haven't considered anyone to be taking it seriously other than the Antis, who seem to be more active on the hashtag than the trolls throwing bait every now and then to fuck with them.
This dude's looking for shit to get mad at. That, or Awesome Mario Grooming and/or ChangedInternet is having fun getting minors more used to adult topics.
And even assuming they genuinely are distressed at that stuff, the people they were talking to literally weren't telling him that it was wrong to be distressed, but they didn't want to see that shit in their timeline, and decides to play suicidal towards (what I presume to be) their friends for attention because "I can't ever be wrong!" is what they're thinking if they're the Antis we are aware of.

Basically, I find this funny because they're basically tearing each other apart.
Call me sadistic if you'd like.


There are a few other tweets that are on the post they QRT'd, so I'll archive a few screenshots.
You can check all of them out on the original tweet.
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Hey kids, please don't pretend like you know anything or that you have a say in places you don't belong in nor are supposed to be in.

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I wonder if the Gimmick count is up to 80 now?
I'm sure the actual number of Awesome Facts Groomers is likely double that, but I'm genuinely curious to the actual number.

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Out-of-nowhere insults like those usually come from projection.
And usually, when it's not subtle, it's likely coming from a kid.

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That Weezly minor from before owns the Blaze Facts gimmick, just a reminder.

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Why do kids feel the need to enter adult spaces? I say that, knowing full well that I did exactly that when I was a kid :kekw:
Of course, the problem isn't that, but you know?
You walked into lava. Why are you crying that your flesh is burning?
And why are there so many of these kids who whine about the consequences of their own actions?

I really wonder how the Groomers behind the Awesome Facts Gimmicks somehow get their dicks and tits up for these brats.
 

Narbray

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As usual, these people like to seek out things to get mad at.
I'd say I'd be worried if this suicide threat was genuine, but thing is, it's blatantly obvious this dude's fishing for attention.

Again, the #LoliconPrideMonth is literally a joke.
It has never trended, and honestly, I haven't considered anyone to be taking it seriously other than the Antis, who seem to be more active on the hashtag than the trolls throwing bait every now and then to fuck with them.
This dude's looking for shit to get mad at. That, or Awesome Mario Grooming and/or ChangedInternet is having fun getting minors more used to adult topics.
And even assuming they genuinely are distressed at that stuff, the people they were talking to literally weren't telling him that it was wrong to be distressed, but they didn't want to see that shit in their timeline, and decides to play suicidal towards (what I presume to be) their friends for attention because "I can't ever be wrong!" is what they're thinking if they're the Antis we are aware of.

Basically, I find this funny because they're basically tearing each other apart.
Call me sadistic if you'd like.
those people are bad
they really need professional help
It is surprising how he is so in need of attention that he publicly says that he wants to cut his arms believing that people hate it just because quoted a twit about lolis ... my god
and then the sick are us

It is also surprising how people respond to the appointment and the worst thing is how they try to console when threatens to cut they arm ... my God, these people really need professional help.
 

AK-12

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Daily Bullshit #8
Well, not really as much bullshit as usual, but I just wanna start off with something funny.
Another Awesome Facts Gimmick has popped up (is anyone keeping track of how many there are? there were like 70 last time i checked) and their friends aren't pleased that this dumbass decided to QRT Lolicon hentai.

As usual, these people like to seek out things to get mad at.
I'd say I'd be worried if this suicide threat was genuine, but thing is, it's blatantly obvious this dude's fishing for attention.

Again, the #LoliconPrideMonth is literally a joke.
It has never trended, and honestly, I haven't considered anyone to be taking it seriously other than the Antis, who seem to be more active on the hashtag than the trolls throwing bait every now and then to fuck with them.
This dude's looking for shit to get mad at. That, or Awesome Mario Grooming and/or ChangedInternet is having fun getting minors more used to adult topics.
And even assuming they genuinely are distressed at that stuff, the people they were talking to literally weren't telling him that it was wrong to be distressed, but they didn't want to see that shit in their timeline, and decides to play suicidal towards (what I presume to be) their friends for attention because "I can't ever be wrong!" is what they're thinking if they're the Antis we are aware of.

Basically, I find this funny because they're basically tearing each other apart.
Call me sadistic if you'd like.


There are a few other tweets that are on the post they QRT'd, so I'll archive a few screenshots.
You can check all of them out on the original tweet.
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Hey kids, please don't pretend like you know anything or that you have a say in places you don't belong in nor are supposed to be in.

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I wonder if the Gimmick count is up to 80 now?
I'm sure the actual number of Awesome Facts Groomers is likely double that, but I'm genuinely curious to the actual number.

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And usually, when it's not subtle, it's likely coming from a kid.

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Why do kids feel the need to enter adult spaces? I say that, knowing full well that I did exactly that when I was a kid :kekw:
Of course, the problem isn't that, but you know?
You walked into lava. Why are you crying that your flesh is burning?
And why are there so many of these kids who whine about the consequences of their own actions?

I really wonder how the Groomers behind the Awesome Facts Gimmicks somehow get their dicks and tits up for these brats.
In other words, very obvious bait was thrown and dumb faggots keep biting it. Hahaha. It's a miracle the number of faggots that have fallen for it isn't already over 9000
 

ninja8tyu

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Daily Bullshit #9
I was having a good day playing Genshin and drawing stuff until I learned of this bullshit happening.

Well, here's the start of all the bullshit today. Yay.
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Summary: Basically, they updated their guidelines in their Discord server about "problematic content" (loli, guro, incest, yada yada) and they banned artists on there without giving a heads up about the new guidelines on their website or sending the artists an email about their new guidelines/policies. Anything the artists drew outside of their site will also still get them banned.
Thanks to Serene for the summary.

So, let's begin the usual rants and explanations of why the obvious is obvious. Hooray.
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Kids are stupid. And for some reason, I feel like those fish would've died anyway from maltreatment, so who cares.
I'm pretty sure there's a few kids who won the Darwin Award for attempting to fly off the roof of their house or a nearby cliff, so you know, you can claim the same thing. It would still be valid and show some correlation between fiction affecting reality.
So, guess we ban superheroes that fly then. Gotta think of the kids.
Though from my experience, I'm sure they are, just in the way they claim problematic people supposedly do.

Morons like these think fiction affects reality in the sense of "monkey see, monkey do."
It does not work like that for everyone, and more accurately, the majority of any population with any level of sapience.
If a kid decides to jump off a cliff because Superman did it, then that fucker can meet Darwin to cash in his award.

Fiction mainly affects reality based on how people interpret the works of art that fiction inhabits themselves.
Works of art are typically meant for us to enjoy in some way, or make us critically think.
1987 isn't a dystopian smut; it's a fucking book that's meant for us to enjoy a dystopian world, and make us think about if that's the world we wish to live in.
Works of art don't necessarily need to have a lesson or core value to be considered art; consider Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, and Pink Panther slapstick comedy and animation.
And like, a cool fight scene is just a cool fight scene, like Stick Flash animations back in the early days of the internet.
Doesn't mean any of those glorifies, normalizes, encourages, and so on, people doing violent things or stupid things, nor attempt to do any of that.
And also to mention, just because you didn't enjoy it, doesn't change the fact it remains harmless art.

And also, let's step back and now look at the ridiculous statement this BNHA fan is saying, even despite that.
Many others have pointed out in the comments a big issue with their statement.
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Here's the deal; kids are idiots.
While most kids are generally capable of differentiating reality from fiction before they're even fucking conscious, some aren't able to do that, but that doesn't mean everyone else isn't able to do that.
And if that dumbass has a disorder that makes him unable to differentiate fiction from reality, then that completely wrecks his weakass points.
But I digress.
Thing is, on the topic of adult crap, in whatever way kids are affected by fiction is irrelevant, because we're in the adult world, dealing with adults who are viewing this shit, not kids, who aren't supposed to see it, nor engage in it in any way.
Arguing that "kids'll enter anyway" also pretty much applies to fucking nuclear power plants, factories, and warzones as well.
TL;DR: Don't assume that others can't tell the difference and aren't able to think and act beyond fiction, simply because you can't, and that every other single human being is obligated to spoil you.


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Victims of grooming do not become automatic experts on how grooming is done.
Trauma doesn't give people the knowledge and intrinsic details of what goes on the human mind, along with several abstract relations to how any bad act is committed; it's fucking trauma.
Trauma isn't "knowledge," it's the experience of pain and suffering.
You don't go on a tirade against tables because you stubbed your foot on it. You learn to not stub your toe on it again.
Trauma is when that pain is intense enough to stick with you longer than it ever should need to or have to.
An oversimplification, but I digress.

"Oh, so you're saying that victims of trauma shouldn't speak out because they don't know what it's like to be raped or have their life threatened by bullets?"
I'm saying of all the things you know, I fucking doubt it includes being an expert in ethics or morality, especially on the topic of how fiction as a whole affects reality.
I'm well aware of how people like to shit on victims of anything, and I actively avoid it whenever I notice it.
This isn't one of those things.
I don't deny that anyone who has gone through any form of trauma knows how it occurred, what it's like to be in that situation, and so on.
I'm not a school teacher or principal who do that all the time for a living.
As an abstract statement, to say that "victims are not experts" is too vague, and is true and false in various situations and scenarios, contexts and cases.
Simply put, on this specific topic, I not only doubt they know how grooming works, but also the difference between reality and fiction, and the ability to derive upright morality, on the basis of several decades of research proving opposite to what they claim, actual conceptual understanding of the human psyche, and how you treat real people over fictional ones.
TL;DR: I highly doubt they're traumatized by grooming, but even if they were, they obviously don't know shit about how literally anything works.
And either way, they're only using their alleged trauma and pain as a pathos and ethos. Good for persuasion, but contributes to nothing beyond faulty beliefs which actually do harm.


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Their account is locked at the time of writing, so I can't archive it.
But there isn't much to say anyway. Just wanted to point out this person is an idiot.

Ever heard of people who are pro-life but have abortions and look down on others to have it anyway?
And I still haven't seen anyone throw anything other than bullshit that all lolicons, or at least a majority of them, are somehow also attracted to real kids.
Basically, these Antis are crusading against a projection.

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This is what appears to be people who apparently want to join or are already in ArtFight voicing their complaints.
Which have actually happened to other similar events in the past, and are valid concerns.
Simply put: there's no way to fairly moderate it.
Not in the sense that "there will always exist bias," but in the sense that censorship will always be defined in such a way to allow some form of control against things the mods don't like beyond what's supposed to be prohibited.
Basically, given now censorship is usually employed throughout history and in modern times, bias isn't something that's going to be avoided, but rather enforced.

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And finally, this.
Good ol' irony and hypocrisy.
Someone else can go and screenshot some proof of the mods actually being shotacons, but I'm going to pull a Mycroft and not bother to find proof myself, because given how this shit usually turns out, they probably want to see Todoroki and Deku doing a 69 with each other whilst crusading lolicon.
 

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I have always had a question, is it true that this law does not apply in the United States?
I have read some cases of people who were sentenced for it ...:zt-think:
It's based on the Miller test of obscenity, which is to say there has to be "artistic merit".

Literally one of the first replies is a furfag tryna call weebs paedos lel, get fucked their art is shit and the colours are garrish as fuck as if drawn by a colorblind mong amidst an epileptic fit.
 

Narbray

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It's based on the Miller test of obscenity, which is to say there has to be "artistic merit".
So if the law can be applied? in some cases?

I have no idea what the Miller test is
but reading a little on wikipedia it says that these three requirements have to be met?

The Miller test was developed in the 1973 case Miller v. California. It has three parts:

  • Whether "the average person, applying contemporary community standards", would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest,
  • Whether the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions specifically defined by applicable state law,
  • Whether the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.
The work is considered obscene only if all three conditions are satisfied.

For better or for worse I think that a good amount of hentai about lolis can meet those requirements, or at least a court can see it like that.
although I don't really know how that works
 
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