• If you're here for vtubers, I highly recommend you go to The Virtual Asylum instead.
    They'll love you there

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Hexasheep93

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loli is trending on twitter again with the same bs being flung around; "loli bad, rebecca isn't a loli but if she is then it's ok this time I rubbed one to her". The common thread I'm seeing now is a bunch of no-name "vtubers" bringing up the book lolita as a reason why loli is bad and they keep targeting Gawr Gura. My guess is they're a bunch of jealous faggots who can't ever hope to reduce her popularity naturally so they try to scream until it's true that her brand of humor and appeal is illegal.
It actually started from a loli vtuber doing a smash or pass of her character and other lolis. From then the other no name vtubers tried to attack her to get clout for themselves
 

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Here's another Anti caught being a pedophile, distributing CSEM with other pedophiles.


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Here's a bunch of Antis in the replies saying that they literally do not care about the fact a pedophile was outed.
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Luckily, there are those in the comments who are giving support and letting them know that they did nothing wrong in this situation.
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So yeah. Another archived case of antis actually not giving two shits about actual children, facilitating actual child abuse and grooming, and being subhumans.



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I'd also like to take this time to also refute a common argument whenever these screenshots are presented, and dismissed because
  1. The people in the image are not related to them/They do not know who the person in the image is.
  2. Just because they share the same opinion/stances on things, does not mean they are equally horrible and/or have committed equally horrible crimes/harm.
  3. It doesn't make the point less valid just because said person(s) in the screenshots are actual pedophiles/groomers/sex pests/rapists.
For one, the person in the image is related to them because they share the same beliefs.
  1. They believe lolicon is immoral;
    • It allegedly normalizes pedophilia.
    • It allegedly encourages child abuse.
    • It allegedly is illegal (specifically in the US, due to most Antis being from the country known for its diabetes and obesity).
    • Despite the fact the above are false, it is, at the end of the day, disgusting, and thus immoral and criminal.
  2. They believe censorship is the answer;
    • It allegedly will prevent the problems they believe will come from it existing (problems listed in 1).
    • Despite the fact it does not, at the end of the day, it pushes the task of filtering their online bubble onto others (particularly big corporations and corrupt governments).
  3. They believe murder is the answer;
    • This will allegedly eliminate those they illegally slander as pedophiles, thus prevent harm to minors.
    • Despite the fact those people are practically never actual criminals nor individuals inclined to harm, it will sate their sadistic urges.
      • For individuals inclined to harm, the possibility of therapy and research is completely ignored due to their dehumanization.
While it doesn't necessarily prove that they all, as individuals, like the same foods and the same media (despite these specific people being easily categorized into decently sized subgroups who DO like the same media), they DO share the exact same arguments (with the exact same premises), conclusions, and rationalizations, and thus for the sake of productive discussion (or what exists of it), it's convenient to group them all as one group: Antis.

TL;DR: They're faggots with the same faggotry. They aren't different. It's obvious as fuck.


While they share the same opinions as convicted pedophiles, rapists, groomers, sex pests, nazis, fascists, eugenicists, and so on, they claim that they have NOT committed similar crimes/are NOT going to commit similar crimes.
In fact, you could call it a fallacy to even claim that because a "few freaks" have been caught in their group, all of them are also criminals; Faulty Generalization.

However, there's a neat thing about logic: the more black ravens you see, it is a little more evidence that all ravens are black.
This entire forum megathread, this KiwiFarms thread, various Twitter Threads (some of which are linked/archived here), have archived numerous instances of Antis who have:
  1. Doxxed people
    • Including various LGBT people in countries where such identities are illegal and could result in their public execution
      • The irony being that a subgroup of Antis often identify as LGBT
    • Entire Families
      • Once they find someone's identity, they often go out and also dox their family members via Guilt by Association
      • DaftPina is a celebrity example of someone who doxxed an artist, despite not being a Lolicon Artist, due to fictional characters' ages.
        • It's also possible that TinaFate may be unconsciously LGBT due to their shared nature of trying to present themselves as the opposite sex.
          Which is ironic, for someone who likes to preach about LGBT rights.
        • Despite claims that the harassment campaign is coincidentally lined up with the Sora artwork post and not the cause of harassment, he has made statements before regarding lolicon media as immoral, and may be one of the reasons he justified doxxing them.
        • His actions also have led others of his ilk to dox his family under the justification said above.
    • @iamlunasol is an individual who is being stalked by various TikTok users due to drawing problematic art in general, and have tried to cause real world problems to her.
  2. Encouraged harassment/threats towards Lolicons, Artists, and VTubers
    • Various artists have left Twitter due to threats of being in trouble with foreign laws, or due to massive waves of death threats directed at them.
    • Various VTubers, specifically those in English-speaking communities, are also threatened in the same manner, and encouraged by their peers.
      • Kyuotto is a well-known example of said harassment.
  3. Shown blatant disregard to real minors and the harm upon them
    • Actively encourages others of their ilk to file false reports to the FBI and other child protection organizations, wasting precious time and resources.
      • Some of which are actual minors, who are encouraged to talk about and engage with pornography and its various forms by these Antis.
      • A notable case was with an account Content Creators Against Child Exploitation (@CCACE_), who claimed to be an organization reporting anything related to lolicon to the FBI, and encouraged others to do the same. It is run by @suzyqqvt/@suzyqlewd (same person).
    • Ignores cases of real children being hurt because "others have it covered" and "[lolicon] isn't as talked about and thus is worth discussion"
      • Even despite being presented with an active case, they will consider lolicon to be the bigger issue.
    • Dismisses actual claims of CSA survivors and their trauma if it goes against their beliefs.
      • This post is one of many instances of this happening.
    • The most overt and obvious case of this is the fact they all water down the term "Pedophilia" because they hate anime, making it seem like a non-issue.
  4. Caught being hypocrites.
    • They follow large and popular Lolicons, such as Gawr Gura, other Hololive VTubers, Nijisanji VTubers, and other non-western VTubers.
      • They follow artists and animators who make loli content.
    • They follow actual pedophiles, if not zoophiles, groomers, rapists, etc.
      • A commonly known individual is Vaush, a person who has argued for lowering the age of consent, stated that he would fuck animals, and various other situations.
        • And that's ignoring other stances he takes.
      • Another individual is Keffals, a person who has sold hormone blockers to children, followed a pro-contact pedophile, falsely accused others of rape, and many more.
    • They engage in lolicon media and other problematic media.
      • Common media they consume is furry art, despite the obvious irony of using their argument against them: "liking fictional animals makes you wanna fuck actual animals."
      • Gore artists and their consumers are also present in harassment cases.
      • Popular Media like Nekopara, Corpse Party, Oreimo, Monogatari, No Game No Life, Boku no Pico,
        • Boku no Pico stars Shota, which is the male version of Loli.
        • Often times, Antis are fine with what they consider boys to be depicted sexually, but not fictional females.
      • They have loli art in their likes.
        • Rebecca from Cyberpunk Edgerunner and Tatsumaki from One Punch Man are well-known examples that they feel have no issue with.
        • My Hero Academia characters are another who they have no problem sexualizing despite the characters being all in high school.
    • They're actual pedophiles, zoophiles, etc.
      • Some people are often completely open about it, and put in their profile biography, "pro-contact zoo," "NOMAP," or "Proud Paraphile"
        • There are actually people bold enough to say "I may be a pedophile, but at least I'm not a lolicon" in a non-figurative manner.
        • There are people who openly are friends with known pedophiles, under the reasoning "at least they're open about it."
        • There was one case where a lolicon was sent actual CSEM by someone who claimed that CSEM is equally as harmless, openly claims its easy to get, and claims to send it to lolicon to make a point.
          • Davi (@YureiEu) was the victim who was sent CSEM by Shino (@NeegusMan) on October 21st, 2021.
        • Several people have reposted CSEM of a VTuber named Athena Bambina, a girl with autism, despite not being a lolicon, for saying "Nigga" during a GTA V stream in an act to copy a known meme, in order to harass her, provided by her old abusers.
      • Some individuals use symbols like gears and such to communicate clandestine to indicate they possess and are willing to share CSEM.
      • Despite their efforts, many who hide the fact they were convicted of sexual assault are often caught, be it previous crimes or currently active cases.
        • This list includes someone considered high and mighty, UN Child's Rights Activist, Peter Newell.
        • A Twitter gimmick account called "Awesome Mario Facts" (@nintendofac) was caught not only sharing said "child pornography" to an audience of minors, but also the owner of the account (@largebakedbean) was caught having sexually assaulted a 13 year old.
          • He only made his account 18+ AFTER the fact someone called him out on essentially sharing what he alleges as "child porn" to his audience, which contained minors, whom of which were open about it.
          • Some of his Gimmick Account cohorts were caught as well: @TheReplySeeker who dated an 11-year old, and @MomentsTweetor (now deleted) defending the former.
          • Practically every single "Awesome Facts" gimmick account likely was an ally of Awesome Mario Facts despite being outed as a child abuser during the event, calling the evidence fake and made up, despite the initial distraught reaction and subsequent attempts of discrediting the evidence, of which contradict each other as he kept going on, and thus can be considered pedophile apologists, defenders, and so on.
        • @TransphobicLs is run by a zoophile and pedophile, Axe, and is at the present possibly still grooming people.
All of that is but a small portion from what I've seen and archived since I entered this forum.
Every single archived case of Antis being the absolute worst human beings on this planet, to the point I must raise the question if they're really human and can be considered such, in a philosophical, ethical, and legal sense, is but one extra proof that ALL of them are subhuman at best.
I have yet to meet anyone who could be an exception or contradiction to the statement that "All Antis are Harmful: from harassment to doxxing, to advocating the restriction of peoples' freedom to sexual abuse of real-world children, to real world stalking, and to plotting real world murders. Harmful to innocent people who have committed no crime, no harm, no injustice."
Until someone can prove even once with a single case example that any Anti is an upstanding moral citizen who values human life, I can and will conclude and act upon that "All Antis are Subhuman."
I can tell you that for the uncountable amount of times an object has been dropped in the history of the world, the object always has fallen down, every object that has fallen proves that the next dropped object will fall, and it would be utter bullshit to claim that despite all of that proof, "there's a chance an object will fall up."

TL;DR: There doesn't exist an Anti who HASN'T encouraged or engaged in inflicting harm unto others. They are all scum, and this is all proof of it.


Despite all of that, Antis might still claim that known pedophiles, animal rapists, child abusers, groomers, and so on, have a point in that Lolicon is immoral.
I have already stated why this is wrong several times in this forum.

Several research done with it has proven lolicon doesn't cause real world harm.
No one cares about doing more research on it because it's literally already answered: No correlation.
If you disregard it simply because the studies were done in the wrong nation, then you clearly think your nation and you yourself susceptible to being mentally incompetent enough to be heavily influenced by fictional media.
If you disregard it simply because it's outdated, then clearly, you must think global society as a whole has become retarded over time to now suddenly think fiction is reality.

No ethical theory worth anything meaningful gives a shit about something being disgusting.
Your subjective feelings of what's comfy and disgusting are not determinants of morality.
Morality is a concept which strives to minimize suffering.
Your disgust is not suffering, and it especially doesn't justify the harm you do.

TL;DR: No, you don't have a point, pedophile and co. Please kill yourselves.


Of course, this wouldn't deter them from pretending like they aren't all child abusers at best.

Simply put, I feel like that's also a thing a lot of people who fight against Antis often have the belief of.
More specifically, they "know" that not all Antis must be evil. There's always that chance that someone might be rational enough to talk things through.

Here's my proof that All Antis are subhuman. That they're literally all child abusers.
They aren't just armchair activists with no life on the internet. If anything, those people would be more tolerable.


With their worthless lives, no job, constantly on TikTok and Twitter, with dyed hair, pierced tongue, and BMI above 40, they pollute any possible discussion, casual and serious, with political statements devaluing other peoples' lives over something as stupid as drawings, and while promoting ideologies which enacted mass starvation, genocide, and suffering like Communism, thought policing, eugenics, and many more, they also groom children, pretending to be a reliable figure for the younger generation by exploiting those with weak sense of identity in this world, weak family bonds and lack of emotional development, in a world ruled by corrupt governments trying to install a dystopia, with a police system that doesn't have the duty to serve and protect. and corporations who control and dictate discussions on social platforms on what's right or wrong, with the answer to all their problems of a shitty school system that benefits bullies, to a shitty economy ruled by a select few megacorps, and a society which doesn't seem to value them with their communist ideals and control of others when they never had any feeling of it.
Easily swayed by the movement of the herd, they perpetuate propaganda, spreading terror of a possibly manufactured problem, with the solution of a new untested technology, with side effects which may have taken the lives of many innocent people, and that is but the recent issue, if not the fact that they often have used children as scapegoats to create a problem with the solution of control and censorship for their benefit.
With the guise of child protection, they paint themselves as heroic and reliable, fighting a tough battle that those with power will not solve, and gain the trust of their victims, and they ask for more and more, dragging them further away from not just their family, but empathy toward other people, critical thinking, and rationality with their false love, joining in their crusade as their sidekick in order to earn more of this empty love.
Eventually these freaks ask their victims for what they're looking for in the first place: pictures of their genitalia, chest, face, no clothing, in seductive poses, and in their little cult where everyone worships this hero, who could say no, unless you were a pedophile?
And even if they come out from possibly getting raped, locked away in some sex dungeon, or getting murdered, they will be labeled as traitors, pedo-apologists, "friendly-fire," and harassed to a degree no one could ever replicate until the dawn of the internet, connecting millions if not billions of people together, allowing for harassment done by hundreds, if not thousands, or millions of people all at once, doxxing their victims, threatening their lives, law enforcement doing nothing per usual, and even if they did, they've probably committed some crimes themselves because they're pathetically weak enough to seek the love of an online stranger who commands them to do so, raising the worry that they too, will be punished if they were to ask the law for its aid.
They're willing to stalk their victims, harass them non-stop, some even going in person to attack their victims by ruining their social standing at best, or possibly murder with a weapon, or maybe that's lucky given how much they're willing to ruin the lives of those who are against them, god forget those who absolutely no one cares about, online or offline, where no one would truly know if they disappeared, let alone existed.

They perpetuate harm on a mass scale. They are a cult. They do not deserve to exist. Not if you want a world full of love and peace.
They're defined by their acts of sadism, tempted by the sweet lies of demons, crave the warmth of hellfire.

Maybe I'm putting too much emotional energy into this, but there is no conclusion I can ever come to regarding this group of people and what it is.
They are a liability to everyone; to every individuals, to any group, to the entirety of humanity.
They have no value to others, nor themselves.


But of course, I can't do shit because I have no power.
At least at the end of the day, just like other cults, they're relatively small compared to the larger population.
And compared to other cults, they don't have any true power, due to being online, and anonymity can still protect those who practice it.
 

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Here's a bunch of Antis in the replies saying that they literally do not care about the fact a pedophile was outed.

Luckily, there are those in the comments who are giving support and letting them know that they did nothing wrong in this situation.

So yeah. Another archived case of antis actually not giving two shits about actual children, facilitating actual child abuse and grooming, and being subhumans.



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I'd also like to take this time to also refute a common argument whenever these screenshots are presented, and dismissed because
  1. The people in the image are not related to them/They do not know who the person in the image is.
  2. Just because they share the same opinion/stances on things, does not mean they are equally horrible and/or have committed equally horrible crimes/harm.
  3. It doesn't make the point less valid just because said person(s) in the screenshots are actual pedophiles/groomers/sex pests/rapists.
For one, the person in the image is related to them because they share the same beliefs.
  1. They believe lolicon is immoral;
    • It allegedly normalizes pedophilia.
    • It allegedly encourages child abuse.
    • It allegedly is illegal (specifically in the US, due to most Antis being from the country known for its diabetes and obesity).
    • Despite the fact the above are false, it is, at the end of the day, disgusting, and thus immoral and criminal.
  2. They believe censorship is the answer;
    • It allegedly will prevent the problems they believe will come from it existing (problems listed in 1).
    • Despite the fact it does not, at the end of the day, it pushes the task of filtering their online bubble onto others (particularly big corporations and corrupt governments).
  3. They believe murder is the answer;
    • This will allegedly eliminate those they illegally slander as pedophiles, thus prevent harm to minors.
    • Despite the fact those people are practically never actual criminals nor individuals inclined to harm, it will sate their sadistic urges.
      • For individuals inclined to harm, the possibility of therapy and research is completely ignored due to their dehumanization.
While it doesn't necessarily prove that they all, as individuals, like the same foods and the same media (despite these specific people being easily categorized into decently sized subgroups who DO like the same media), they DO share the exact same arguments (with the exact same premises), conclusions, and rationalizations, and thus for the sake of productive discussion (or what exists of it), it's convenient to group them all as one group: Antis.

TL;DR: They're faggots with the same faggotry. They aren't different. It's obvious as fuck.


While they share the same opinions as convicted pedophiles, rapists, groomers, sex pests, nazis, fascists, eugenicists, and so on, they claim that they have NOT committed similar crimes/are NOT going to commit similar crimes.
In fact, you could call it a fallacy to even claim that because a "few freaks" have been caught in their group, all of them are also criminals; Faulty Generalization.

However, there's a neat thing about logic: the more black ravens you see, it is a little more evidence that all ravens are black.
This entire forum megathread, this KiwiFarms thread, various Twitter Threads (some of which are linked/archived here), have archived numerous instances of Antis who have:
  1. Doxxed people
    • Including various LGBT people in countries where such identities are illegal and could result in their public execution
      • The irony being that a subgroup of Antis often identify as LGBT
    • Entire Families
      • Once they find someone's identity, they often go out and also dox their family members via Guilt by Association
      • DaftPina is a celebrity example of someone who doxxed an artist, despite not being a Lolicon Artist, due to fictional characters' ages.
        • It's also possible that TinaFate may be unconsciously LGBT due to their shared nature of trying to present themselves as the opposite sex.
          Which is ironic, for someone who likes to preach about LGBT rights.
        • Despite claims that the harassment campaign is coincidentally lined up with the Sora artwork post and not the cause of harassment, he has made statements before regarding lolicon media as immoral, and may be one of the reasons he justified doxxing them.
        • His actions also have led others of his ilk to dox his family under the justification said above.
    • @iamlunasol is an individual who is being stalked by various TikTok users due to drawing problematic art in general, and have tried to cause real world problems to her.
  2. Encouraged harassment/threats towards Lolicons, Artists, and VTubers
    • Various artists have left Twitter due to threats of being in trouble with foreign laws, or due to massive waves of death threats directed at them.
    • Various VTubers, specifically those in English-speaking communities, are also threatened in the same manner, and encouraged by their peers.
      • Kyuotto is a well-known example of said harassment.
  3. Shown blatant disregard to real minors and the harm upon them
    • Actively encourages others of their ilk to file false reports to the FBI and other child protection organizations, wasting precious time and resources.
      • Some of which are actual minors, who are encouraged to talk about and engage with pornography and its various forms by these Antis.
      • A notable case was with an account Content Creators Against Child Exploitation (@CCACE_), who claimed to be an organization reporting anything related to lolicon to the FBI, and encouraged others to do the same. It is run by @suzyqqvt/@suzyqlewd (same person).
    • Ignores cases of real children being hurt because "others have it covered" and "[lolicon] isn't as talked about and thus is worth discussion"
      • Even despite being presented with an active case, they will consider lolicon to be the bigger issue.
    • Dismisses actual claims of CSA survivors and their trauma if it goes against their beliefs.
      • This post is one of many instances of this happening.
    • The most overt and obvious case of this is the fact they all water down the term "Pedophilia" because they hate anime, making it seem like a non-issue.
  4. Caught being hypocrites.
    • They follow large and popular Lolicons, such as Gawr Gura, other Hololive VTubers, Nijisanji VTubers, and other non-western VTubers.
      • They follow artists and animators who make loli content.
    • They follow actual pedophiles, if not zoophiles, groomers, rapists, etc.
      • A commonly known individual is Vaush, a person who has argued for lowering the age of consent, stated that he would fuck animals, and various other situations.
        • And that's ignoring other stances he takes.
      • Another individual is Keffals, a person who has sold hormone blockers to children, followed a pro-contact pedophile, falsely accused others of rape, and many more.
    • They engage in lolicon media and other problematic media.
      • Common media they consume is furry art, despite the obvious irony of using their argument against them: "liking fictional animals makes you wanna fuck actual animals."
      • Gore artists and their consumers are also present in harassment cases.
      • Popular Media like Nekopara, Corpse Party, Oreimo, Monogatari, No Game No Life, Boku no Pico,
        • Boku no Pico stars Shota, which is the male version of Loli.
        • Often times, Antis are fine with what they consider boys to be depicted sexually, but not fictional females.
      • They have loli art in their likes.
        • Rebecca from Cyberpunk Edgerunner and Tatsumaki from One Punch Man are well-known examples that they feel have no issue with.
        • My Hero Academia characters are another who they have no problem sexualizing despite the characters being all in high school.
    • They're actual pedophiles, zoophiles, etc.
      • Some people are often completely open about it, and put in their profile biography, "pro-contact zoo," "NOMAP," or "Proud Paraphile"
        • There are actually people bold enough to say "I may be a pedophile, but at least I'm not a lolicon" in a non-figurative manner.
        • There are people who openly are friends with known pedophiles, under the reasoning "at least they're open about it."
        • There was one case where a lolicon was sent actual CSEM by someone who claimed that CSEM is equally as harmless, openly claims its easy to get, and claims to send it to lolicon to make a point.
          • Davi (@YureiEu) was the victim who was sent CSEM by Shino (@NeegusMan) on October 21st, 2021.
        • Several people have reposted CSEM of a VTuber named Athena Bambina, a girl with autism, despite not being a lolicon, for saying "Nigga" during a GTA V stream in an act to copy a known meme, in order to harass her, provided by her old abusers.
      • Some individuals use symbols like gears and such to communicate clandestine to indicate they possess and are willing to share CSEM.
      • Despite their efforts, many who hide the fact they were convicted of sexual assault are often caught, be it previous crimes or currently active cases.
        • This list includes someone considered high and mighty, UN Child's Rights Activist, Peter Newell.
        • A Twitter gimmick account called "Awesome Mario Facts" (@nintendofac) was caught not only sharing said "child pornography" to an audience of minors, but also the owner of the account (@largebakedbean) was caught having sexually assaulted a 13 year old.
          • He only made his account 18+ AFTER the fact someone called him out on essentially sharing what he alleges as "child porn" to his audience, which contained minors, whom of which were open about it.
          • Some of his Gimmick Account cohorts were caught as well: @TheReplySeeker who dated an 11-year old, and @MomentsTweetor (now deleted) defending the former.
          • Practically every single "Awesome Facts" gimmick account likely was an ally of Awesome Mario Facts despite being outed as a child abuser during the event, calling the evidence fake and made up, despite the initial distraught reaction and subsequent attempts of discrediting the evidence, of which contradict each other as he kept going on, and thus can be considered pedophile apologists, defenders, and so on.
        • @TransphobicLs is run by a zoophile and pedophile, Axe, and is at the present possibly still grooming people.
All of that is but a small portion from what I've seen and archived since I entered this forum.
Every single archived case of Antis being the absolute worst human beings on this planet, to the point I must raise the question if they're really human and can be considered such, in a philosophical, ethical, and legal sense, is but one extra proof that ALL of them are subhuman at best.
I have yet to meet anyone who could be an exception or contradiction to the statement that "All Antis are Harmful: from harassment to doxxing, to advocating the restriction of peoples' freedom to sexual abuse of real-world children, to real world stalking, and to plotting real world murders. Harmful to innocent people who have committed no crime, no harm, no injustice."
Until someone can prove even once with a single case example that any Anti is an upstanding moral citizen who values human life, I can and will conclude and act upon that "All Antis are Subhuman."
I can tell you that for the uncountable amount of times an object has been dropped in the history of the world, the object always has fallen down, every object that has fallen proves that the next dropped object will fall, and it would be utter bullshit to claim that despite all of that proof, "there's a chance an object will fall up."

TL;DR: There doesn't exist an Anti who HASN'T encouraged or engaged in inflicting harm unto others. They are all scum, and this is all proof of it.


Despite all of that, Antis might still claim that known pedophiles, animal rapists, child abusers, groomers, and so on, have a point in that Lolicon is immoral.
I have already stated why this is wrong several times in this forum.

Several research done with it has proven lolicon doesn't cause real world harm.
No one cares about doing more research on it because it's literally already answered: No correlation.
If you disregard it simply because the studies were done in the wrong nation, then you clearly think your nation and you yourself susceptible to being mentally incompetent enough to be heavily influenced by fictional media.
If you disregard it simply because it's outdated, then clearly, you must think global society as a whole has become retarded over time to now suddenly think fiction is reality.

No ethical theory worth anything meaningful gives a shit about something being disgusting.
Your subjective feelings of what's comfy and disgusting are not determinants of morality.
Morality is a concept which strives to minimize suffering.
Your disgust is not suffering, and it especially doesn't justify the harm you do.

TL;DR: No, you don't have a point, pedophile and co. Please kill yourselves.


Of course, this wouldn't deter them from pretending like they aren't all child abusers at best.

Simply put, I feel like that's also a thing a lot of people who fight against Antis often have the belief of.
More specifically, they "know" that not all Antis must be evil. There's always that chance that someone might be rational enough to talk things through.

Here's my proof that All Antis are subhuman. That they're literally all child abusers.
They aren't just armchair activists with no life on the internet. If anything, those people would be more tolerable.


With their worthless lives, no job, constantly on TikTok and Twitter, with dyed hair, pierced tongue, and BMI above 40, they pollute any possible discussion, casual and serious, with political statements devaluing other peoples' lives over something as stupid as drawings, and while promoting ideologies which enacted mass starvation, genocide, and suffering like Communism, thought policing, eugenics, and many more, they also groom children, pretending to be a reliable figure for the younger generation by exploiting those with weak sense of identity in this world, weak family bonds and lack of emotional development, in a world ruled by corrupt governments trying to install a dystopia, with a police system that doesn't have the duty to serve and protect. and corporations who control and dictate discussions on social platforms on what's right or wrong, with the answer to all their problems of a shitty school system that benefits bullies, to a shitty economy ruled by a select few megacorps, and a society which doesn't seem to value them with their communist ideals and control of others when they never had any feeling of it.
Easily swayed by the movement of the herd, they perpetuate propaganda, spreading terror of a possibly manufactured problem, with the solution of a new untested technology, with side effects which may have taken the lives of many innocent people, and that is but the recent issue, if not the fact that they often have used children as scapegoats to create a problem with the solution of control and censorship for their benefit.
With the guise of child protection, they paint themselves as heroic and reliable, fighting a tough battle that those with power will not solve, and gain the trust of their victims, and they ask for more and more, dragging them further away from not just their family, but empathy toward other people, critical thinking, and rationality with their false love, joining in their crusade as their sidekick in order to earn more of this empty love.
Eventually these freaks ask their victims for what they're looking for in the first place: pictures of their genitalia, chest, face, no clothing, in seductive poses, and in their little cult where everyone worships this hero, who could say no, unless you were a pedophile?
And even if they come out from possibly getting raped, locked away in some sex dungeon, or getting murdered, they will be labeled as traitors, pedo-apologists, "friendly-fire," and harassed to a degree no one could ever replicate until the dawn of the internet, connecting millions if not billions of people together, allowing for harassment done by hundreds, if not thousands, or millions of people all at once, doxxing their victims, threatening their lives, law enforcement doing nothing per usual, and even if they did, they've probably committed some crimes themselves because they're pathetically weak enough to seek the love of an online stranger who commands them to do so, raising the worry that they too, will be punished if they were to ask the law for its aid.
They're willing to stalk their victims, harass them non-stop, some even going in person to attack their victims by ruining their social standing at best, or possibly murder with a weapon, or maybe that's lucky given how much they're willing to ruin the lives of those who are against them, god forget those who absolutely no one cares about, online or offline, where no one would truly know if they disappeared, let alone existed.

They perpetuate harm on a mass scale. They are a cult. They do not deserve to exist. Not if you want a world full of love and peace.
They're defined by their acts of sadism, tempted by the sweet lies of demons, crave the warmth of hellfire.

Maybe I'm putting too much emotional energy into this, but there is no conclusion I can ever come to regarding this group of people and what it is.
They are a liability to everyone; to every individuals, to any group, to the entirety of humanity.
They have no value to others, nor themselves.


But of course, I can't do shit because I have no power.
At least at the end of the day, just like other cults, they're relatively small compared to the larger population.
And compared to other cults, they don't have any true power, due to being online, and anonymity can still protect those who practice it.
I think the problem is that for this people this is just some sort of sick contest of who can get one over the other, at the end they dont care who sides with them, only that they do.

At the end the best one can do in this situation is support the people that need it and report the assholes.

Also off-topic. Is that chris-chan fanart?, why does it look good? Why is there chris-chan fanart?:shinobu_kaka:
 

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Has anyone here got something to confirm hat Charlie/Critikal went 180'd with his opinions about loli cunnys? While at first glance I believe he said that "loli's are fictional, they're not real", which is true as described:
Back to this question thanks to the vice bullshit, charlie is anti-loli, dumbass kept calling loli "child porn", brought up Shadman (but acknowledged he was arrested for assault not those images he based on those real girls).


This makes it hard to keep listening to his podcast when 3 of the 4 members side with my enemies.
 

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Back to this question thanks to the vice bullshit, charlie is anti-loli, dumbass kept calling loli "child porn", brought up Shadman (but acknowledged he was arrested for assault not those images he based on those real girls).


This makes it hard to keep listening to his podcast when 3 of the 4 members side with my enemies.
Charlie is just part of the normie group at the end he only has an outsider point of view
 

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I found someone linked an article that apparently proves how Lolicon normalizes pedophilia.

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Originally I expected it to be a study that essentially proves no correlation, just like all the other ones.
However, turns out it actually is a paper about how Lolicon promotes pedophilia.
And boy. No one actually bothered to read this.


Article Cited:

(And no, this isn't written in academic language.)
(For ease of understanding, I don't plan to overuse technical terms.)
(I'm also not chained to college and its conventions, nor am I getting paid to be an academic with an obligation follow them, so why would I.)

If you decide to read the thing for yourself, it's...
Completely dependent on observation, with some sprinkled in bullshit.

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This is the most obvious one that's false as fuck.

While I'd just post the meme of the difference in statistics again, I may as well update it to recent times because "hurr durr data old means ur wrong"
Said meme is still limited to 2014 statistics.
Here's some datasets for Japan in 2021.
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Publication
List of Other Year's Publications
By the way, you don't need to know Japanese to read this chart.
You literally can just use DeepL or Google Translate to read the words for you.
The numbers and how they're represented are pretty much about the same.



Here's some datasets for the UK in 2021.
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Publication
No data on human trafficking on this dataset.

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Here is some from the United States.
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The United Nations have compiled a list comparing various countries rape rates, the latest data being 2016-2017.
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America seems to be excluded from this list, however.
So no, Japan isn't one of the biggest child trafficking and abusing countries in the world.
The total amount of crimes is miniscule compared to other countries, of which specifically sex crimes are still just as low compared to other countries, of which include child sexual abuse crimes, especially when compared to the US and UK.



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The entire article is simply filled to the brim of attacks on Japan's culture and politics as a whole, rather than focusing on the topic of the relation between Lolicon and Pedophilia.
That being said, the article focuses broadly about how pedophilia is prevalent in Japan, with Lolicon being one of its points, rather than it being the focus.
However, I'm more than willing to contest those points, because where there is one contradiction, it usually means there's more.

The actual content starts by bringing into light the concept of "Chigo," essentially adolescents who serve Buddhist monks, including sexually, for education, housing, food, and so on.
Basically pastor boys and priests.
In it, she references another paper regarding a piece of Chigo literature, which essentially depicts a Chigo as wanting sexual and romantic treatment from the monks, had to be separated from the monks, committed suicide from being apart too long and being unable to reunite, and that suicide becomes spiritual awakening for the monk.
The author of the referenced paper theorized that they were essentially elevated to a divine status, and thus dehumanized, allowing them to be subjected to immoral acts without moral repercussions -- scapegoated.
She then claims this can be compared to lolicon/shotacon in modern times, and how it too sexualizes minors.
Continuing forward, she brings light onto the concept of "wakashu."
Essentially the same thing as Chigo in terms of physical visual traits, but this time, it's in a sexual hierarchy, with old men at the top, and women at the bottom.
It was often depicted to be okay to have sex with wakashu, and it was often considered alright to have sex with wakashu.
Then another claim that this, too, can be compared to lolicon/shotacon, with the only difference being that lolicon/shotacon is not as accepted as wakashu when it existed.
Japan then attempted to gain "soft power" -- "indirectly influence behavior/interest through culture/ideology" -- after WWII and all the damages it sustained.
Hello Kitty is an example of what was created in an attempt to gain said power.
It is with this knowledge that we can view Japan's modern status and its various laws regarding "child pornography" and how it fails to protect the kids it exploits, alongside how it profits from pedophilia, using media like lolicon/shotacon.

From what is written, you are led to believe that pedophilia has been a cultural norm in Japan, and that they use media as a means to normalize and justify it.
This sets the lens that lolicon/shotacon are nothing different, and are what remains of a culture that indulged in taboo acts.

Once she begins to talk about lolicon, and how artists knowingly are representing children in their works, she points out that while lolicons claim they are just drawings, and agrees that while they are drawings, they still overtly represent children, and that "it is not a stretch to see the link between those who gain sexual gratification from drawings of children and those who gain sexual gratification from images of actual children."

Certainly not a stretch, but of course, an assumption nevertheless, one which no one has been able to prove.
There is very much a separation between fiction and reality, and she even says that people have begun to seek relationships with virtual entities, via dating games and h-games, but says that scholars likely believe this to be due to the culture of modesty and repression that caused the switch of preferences from real to virtual.
Of course, we are to assume every person who is into lolicon is also attracted to CSEM, and that the reason they aren't observably attracted to the real thing is simply because of culture.
Let's ignore the DSM-V and how pedophilia is characterized by the real deal, and its consistent uncontrollable urge toward the real thing.
But of course, Twitter pedophilia is anything regarded towards youth, and more that's honestly mind-boggling.

Despite claiming how the US doesn't openly sexualize minors in the same way that such a culture with pedophilia ingrained in it such as Japan, it is still one of the countries in the world which permit child marriages, often through religion and its customs, some via arranged marriages. Nearly 300k children were legally married in the United States from 2000-2018. Only 7 states in the US has banned child marriages, some of which only decided to ban the act within the recent 2 years.
Of course, despite the age of consent being 16 in the US, kids as young as 10 can get married. Let's ignore the fact the US has a history regarding the exploitation of child marriages to traffick children as well.
In terms of the US doesn't openly sexualize minors, well, in some media, certain Nickelodeon live-action shows often have no problem putting teens into provocative positions in certain episodes.
A well-known popular show, Game of Thrones, has no problem depicting incest.
In recent times, there is the fact that the kids cartoon reboot, Powerpuff Girls, was rewritten so one of the protagonists was made to be infatuated with one of the writer's self insert, who very much is an adult compared to the childish puff.
And if we want to talk about normalization of pedophilia, there have been movements which decide to educate kids in sexual orientation and attraction ages before they've developed said affiliation in the states.
The fact companies who own social media platforms now allow children to wander across social media in spite of the risks and dangers, such as kids-only platforms which allow groomers to infiltrate and exploit the system to groom children online, and allowing children to be exposed to pornography early on due to no viable solution to content regulation that wouldn't simply result in a kids-only platform to-be-exploited.
Alongside that, there exists news outlets which actively promote pedophilia, such as VICE, which has more often than not written articles regarding pedophiles in a positive light, including praising a film that contains CSEM, "Cuties," and what we call Antis essentially promoting people like Vaush, who is an individual who has argued to lower the age of consent, alongside many of them being caught as groomers, sex pest, and child abusers, alongside them possessing CSEM, while all of which detest lolicon media as "pedophilia" in an ironic twist of fate.
Do I want to list them ALL out? The US, ESPECIALLY in recent times, has been taking quite a shift towards pedophilia, and often overtly in active spite of lolicon media.
And while at the end of the day, you might still claim "they're both equally as bad," it only serves to prove the skewed priorities people have, putting more energy towards fiction rather than the real deal, of which has been documented too damn much even on this megathread.

The relevancy of this entire thing being that the paper subtly implied how the US was different in a superior and moral sense on the notion of fictional representation of non-existent entities, made several assumptions that can be said about the US and things considered harmless (in regards to media with exception to live-action, is generally true, ignoring shitty writing of reboot stories), made several claims which are more applicable to her country of origin, all of which premises fail to prove lolicon is pedophilia, especially in the context of the normalization of pedophilia in and out of Japan.

Of course, she goes on to talk about the idol industry and how it values underaged idols, and the JK services which girls are trafficked into engaging in explicit acts with older men for money, of which I do not care about, due to the fact that it's obvious what it is.
That being said, Japan isn't the only country with said idol model, but it is the topic of discussion, thus it will be the focus, and it is admittedly a problem because it hurts minors.
What is a topic of discussion is the fact that said crime rates remain low in Japan compared to other countries, and genuinely isn't as much as a problem as it was presented and still is presented as, worded such that it depicts Japan as a country and culture of pedophiles.
A problem nevertheless, one that ought to be solved, but practice what you preach, especially if you're gonna try to play a game of superiority with it.

Call me harsh if you will for presuming ill-will and acting in return as bad as what I claim to observe, but considering it's full of the same obvious lies and retardation easily disproven with any amount of critical thinking or surface-level research into any of the relevant topics, I'm not really tempted to play civil, especially since these type of arguments are practically never made with the intent to make the world a better place, but instead to demonize those who indulge in the culture in harmless ways.
Need I remind you that this article was cited by a Twitter loser to "prove" that lolicon normalized and perpetuated pedophilia in not just Japan, but anywhere where it's permitted?
Rather than actually discuss issues which I can agree being an issue, including the JKs which become prostitutes for money, which can be easily trafficked, similar to prostitutes in the states, alongside the belief that people "expire" after a certain age and thus have no value, becoming an issue with the idol business in Japan, similar to how people claim women lose their fertility by a massive amount after 30 years of age and thus aren't worth marrying, people have instead used these points as political attack pieces against the country itself and its culture under the premise that they're degenerates and freaks, while hypocritically engaging with their native culture with equal or worse problems, assuming they don't end up getting caught as pedophiles.

The author concludes that lolicon media, if allowed in the states, will cause its normalization, which will lead to more harm because it's made to be a non-issue. She agrees with the fact that lolicon media doesn't cause literal crime, but will cause harm by changing culture itself to be complacent regarding pedophilia.
She says that while it isn't in her place to comment on a culture she isn't apart of, it's important to speak out against it when it enters and proliferates in our country.
She says that fans of said content may attempt to challenge the legality of such media, and that it's important to place a distinction between "virtual child pornography" and the real deal.
It ends with a summary of Japan's alleged lack of a response to internal problems with child abuse and its treatment of pedophilia, that in regards to content like the idol and JK industry which do real harm must be dealt with, and concludes that all of said issues is due to Japan's internalization and normalization of pedophilia, alongside gaining soft power from its propagation.

Since the start of the paper to the end, I remained steadfast in my opinion: Lolicon is not Pedophilia, and it does nothing to normalize it.
As I've said, pedophilia is a clinical condition defined by attraction to real children. How it's used colloquially is irrelevant, especially if it no longer refers to just minors, but people wearing glasses (guess i'm a minor, haha beyonetta), backpacks, anyone under 5'7 (guess i'm a minor), and oh god so much more.
The internet has butchered its colloquial use, and in all honesty, means absolutely fucking nothing, but I digress.
People have made the distinction between the design and style of fictional art, and that of the concrete details of the real deal.
If we must be concerned with the normalization of pedophilia in the states, I must point out how other movements and systems already in place have done more harm than lolicon.
I will even argue and point out that people who consider it an issue, at the very least, to the point they're keyboard warriors on Twitter, end up being pedophiles themselves, having groomed and abused children before.

And to comment on the statement, "one must question the morality of someone who enjoys media that even features drawings of sexualized children. Accepting even “virtual” images of child pornography shows a morality that states sexualizing children is acceptable," the same also can apply to video games and violence, alongside other fictional depictions of either illegal or immoral acts, such as making drugs, bullying, vigilantism, and so on.

However, the reason the statement doesn't apply is because there's already been research on how it doesn't mean shit in the real world to anyone.
I've linked 3 articles up above as examples of other studies done regarding lolicon, and yeah no it really doesn't do jack shit and it's not a judge of morality.

There do exist issues in this world. Lolicon ain't one of them. Stop wasting your time on it.
And that's essentially why this article means nothing in regards to lolicon, nor proves anything about it.
I do hope no one falls for this shit.


Also, tweeted before the initial one above
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We just gonna ignore this, orrrrrr
There's this thing in psychology where when people attack others, it often reflects who they are as a person.
Call me an Anti if you'd like, because I have no problem using the sames guns they do, but simply put, you know exactly why they're so vocal about "pedophilia."

Again, 2 weeks ago, these people went and undermined 2 people calling out a groomer, because the victims were allegedly lolicon.
Only people getting shit underreported and make the issue a joke are literally people who think fictional media are a problem.



Edit: I wanted to mention this before, but I figure I do it now, because it's still bothering me that I didn't say it back then in the way I wanted to.

I found the "chigo" and "wakashu" topics bullshit, and the "JK Problem" artificial whose existence is solely to be a racist yankie's talking point.

I must be honest -- I highly doubt someone already blatantly dishonestly lying about statistics would be the type of person who would actually focus on real issues and bring up real points, if not my personal experience speaking so, then literally all of history has shown even in major historical figures.

I don't need research to know someone's full of shit based on the fact their words contradict reality and each other on a degree only retards would miss.

I only humored it being "a real issue" for the bare minimum of respect I could provide to "an academic" (or so she technically is), and I use the term loosely.

Why the fuck bring up fiction to an alleged pedophilia and child exploitation epidemic? "It reflects their problematic culture" my ass. Remember America's pro-child marriage. The pot can eat shit.

You know, aside from the fact it's clearly unconcerned with stopping actual harm, because it's literally written like a negative political attack ad.
How disgusting uwu desu~, truly problematic dayone~, yametekudasai~
I'm disturbed retardation can exist to such a degree and people can be considered intelligent despite that overt display of stupidity.
Only way I'd consider them intelligent is if it were intended to be written in that way such to fool the population full of cattle, but even then, I do not value malicious shitheads.

This is why I don't trust even official and professional sources of information, fuck "site:edu" or "site:org" to filter out less verified sources; retards like this can write shit, and other retards can approve of it. I don't truly trust anything I can't see or verify for myself.
I only use them simply as "someone went out and checked for themselves," never "it is fact."
Because in the end, someone who went out to see for themselves is more trustworthy than someone who never did.
Even then, I will look for contradictions in their observations and discoveries to see if they're full of shit or not.

So anyway, if I see anything else uttered by that lying bitch as an article cited at me, I'm not gonna just assuming it's full of shit, I'm gonna add it to a repertoire of evidence that she's a dishonest motherfucker and have her name shunned for the rest of her life and ensure she can't write another letter of hogwash under any academic source, alongside the retards and organization who "reviewed" and approved it.
 
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grapedApe

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I found someone linked an article that apparently proves how Lolicon normalizes pedophilia.

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Originally I expected it to be a study that essentially proves no correlation, just like all the other ones.
However, turns out it actually is a paper about how Lolicon promotes pedophilia.
And boy. No one actually bothered to read this.


Article Cited:


(And no, this isn't written in academic language.)
(For ease of understanding, I don't plan to overuse technical terms.)
(I'm also not chained to college and its conventions, nor am I getting paid to be an academic with an obligation follow them, so why would I.)

If you decide to read the thing for yourself, it's...
Completely dependent on observation, with some sprinkled in bullshit.

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This is the most obvious one that's false as fuck.

While I'd just post the meme of the difference in statistics again, I may as well update it to recent times because "hurr durr data old means ur wrong"
Said meme is still limited to 2014 statistics.
Here's some datasets for Japan in 2021.
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List of Other Year's Publications
By the way, you don't need to know Japanese to read this chart.
You literally can just use DeepL or Google Translate to read the words for you.
The numbers and how they're represented are pretty much about the same.



Here's some datasets for the UK in 2021.
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No data on human trafficking on this dataset.

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Here is some from the United States.
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America seems to be excluded from this list, however.
So no, Japan isn't one of the biggest child trafficking and abusing countries in the world.
The total amount of crimes is miniscule compared to other countries, of which specifically sex crimes are still just as low compared to other countries, of which include child sexual abuse crimes, especially when compared to the US and UK.



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The entire article is simply filled to the brim of attacks on Japan's culture and politics as a whole, rather than focusing on the topic of the relation between Lolicon and Pedophilia.
That being said, the article focuses broadly about how pedophilia is prevalent in Japan, with Lolicon being one of its points, rather than it being the focus.
However, I'm more than willing to contest those points, because where there is one contradiction, it usually means there's more.

The actual content starts by bringing into light the concept of "Chigo," essentially adolescents who serve Buddhist monks, including sexually, for education, housing, food, and so on.
Basically pastor boys and priests.
In it, she references another paper regarding a piece of Chigo literature, which essentially depicts a Chigo as wanting sexual and romantic treatment from the monks, had to be separated from the monks, committed suicide from being apart too long and being unable to reunite, and that suicide becomes spiritual awakening for the monk.
The author of the referenced paper theorized that they were essentially elevated to a divine status, and thus dehumanized, allowing them to be subjected to immoral acts without moral repercussions -- scapegoated.
She then claims this can be compared to lolicon/shotacon in modern times, and how it too sexualizes minors.
Continuing forward, she brings light onto the concept of "wakashu."
Essentially the same thing as Chigo in terms of physical visual traits, but this time, it's in a sexual hierarchy, with old men at the top, and women at the bottom.
It was often depicted to be okay to have sex with wakashu, and it was often considered alright to have sex with wakashu.
Then another claim that this, too, can be compared to lolicon/shotacon, with the only difference being that lolicon/shotacon is not as accepted as wakashu when it existed.
Japan then attempted to gain "soft power" -- "indirectly influence behavior/interest through culture/ideology" -- after WWII and all the damages it sustained.
Hello Kitty is an example of what was created in an attempt to gain said power.
It is with this knowledge that we can view Japan's modern status and its various laws regarding "child pornography" and how it fails to protect the kids it exploits, alongside how it profits from pedophilia, using media like lolicon/shotacon.

From what is written, you are led to believe that pedophilia has been a cultural norm in Japan, and that they use media as a means to normalize and justify it.
This sets the lens that lolicon/shotacon are nothing different, and are what remains of a culture that indulged in taboo acts.

Once she begins to talk about lolicon, and how artists knowingly are representing children in their works, she points out that while lolicons claim they are just drawings, and agrees that while they are drawings, they still overtly represent children, and that "it is not a stretch to see the link between those who gain sexual gratification from drawings of children and those who gain sexual gratification from images of actual children."

Certainly not a stretch, but of course, an assumption nevertheless, one which no one has been able to prove.
There is very much a separation between fiction and reality, and she even says that people have begun to seek relationships with virtual entities, via dating games and h-games, but says that scholars likely believe this to be due to the culture of modesty and repression that caused the switch of preferences from real to virtual.
Of course, we are to assume every person who is into lolicon is also attracted to CSEM, and that the reason they aren't observably attracted to the real thing is simply because of culture.
Let's ignore the DSM-V and how pedophilia is characterized by the real deal, and its consistent uncontrollable urge toward the real thing.
But of course, Twitter pedophilia is anything regarded towards youth, and more that's honestly mind-boggling.

Despite claiming how the US doesn't openly sexualize minors in the same way that such a culture with pedophilia ingrained in it such as Japan, it is still one of the countries in the world which permit child marriages, often through religion and its customs, some via arranged marriages. Nearly 300k children were legally married in the United States from 2000-2018. Only 7 states in the US has banned child marriages, some of which only decided to ban the act within the recent 2 years.
Of course, despite the age of consent being 16 in the US, kids as young as 10 can get married. Let's ignore the fact the US has a history regarding the exploitation of child marriages to traffick children as well.
In terms of the US doesn't openly sexualize minors, well, in some media, certain Nickelodeon live-action shows often have no problem putting teens into provocative positions in certain episodes.
A well-known popular show, Game of Thrones, has no problem depicting incest.
In recent times, there is the fact that the kids cartoon reboot, Powerpuff Girls, was rewritten so one of the protagonists was made to be infatuated with one of the writer's self insert, who very much is an adult compared to the childish puff.
And if we want to talk about normalization of pedophilia, there have been movements which decide to educate kids in sexual orientation and attraction ages before they've developed said affiliation in the states.
The fact companies who own social media platforms now allow children to wander across social media in spite of the risks and dangers, such as kids-only platforms which allow groomers to infiltrate and exploit the system to groom children online, and allowing children to be exposed to pornography early on due to no viable solution to content regulation that wouldn't simply result in a kids-only platform to-be-exploited.
Alongside that, there exists news outlets which actively promote pedophilia, such as VICE, which has more often than not written articles regarding pedophiles in a positive light, including praising a film that contains CSEM, "Cuties," and what we call Antis essentially promoting people like Vaush, who is an individual who has argued to lower the age of consent, alongside many of them being caught as groomers, sex pest, and child abusers, alongside them possessing CSEM, while all of which detest lolicon media as "pedophilia" in an ironic twist of fate.
Do I want to list them ALL out? The US, ESPECIALLY in recent times, has been taking quite a shift towards pedophilia, and often overtly in active spite of lolicon media.
And while at the end of the day, you might still claim "they're both equally as bad," it only serves to prove the skewed priorities people have, putting more energy towards fiction rather than the real deal, of which has been documented too damn much even on this megathread.

The relevancy of this entire thing being that the paper subtly implied how the US was different in a superior and moral sense on the notion of fictional representation of non-existent entities, made several assumptions that can be said about the US and things considered harmless (in regards to media with exception to live-action, is generally true, ignoring shitty writing of reboot stories), made several claims which are more applicable to her country of origin, all of which premises fail to prove lolicon is pedophilia, especially in the context of the normalization of pedophilia in and out of Japan.

Of course, she goes on to talk about the idol industry and how it values underaged idols, and the JK services which girls are trafficked into engaging in explicit acts with older men for money, of which I do not care about, due to the fact that it's obvious what it is.
That being said, Japan isn't the only country with said idol model, but it is the topic of discussion, thus it will be the focus, and it is admittedly a problem because it hurts minors.
What is a topic of discussion is the fact that said crime rates remain low in Japan compared to other countries, and genuinely isn't as much as a problem as it was presented and still is presented as, worded such that it depicts Japan as a country and culture of pedophiles.
A problem nevertheless, one that ought to be solved, but practice what you preach, especially if you're gonna try to play a game of superiority with it.

Call me harsh if you will for presuming ill-will and acting in return as bad as what I claim to observe, but considering it's full of the same obvious lies and retardation easily disproven with any amount of critical thinking or surface-level research into any of the relevant topics, I'm not really tempted to play civil, especially since these type of arguments are practically never made with the intent to make the world a better place, but instead to demonize those who indulge in the culture in harmless ways.
Need I remind you that this article was cited by a Twitter loser to "prove" that lolicon normalized and perpetuated pedophilia in not just Japan, but anywhere where it's permitted?
Rather than actually discuss issues which I can agree being an issue, including the JKs which become prostitutes for money, which can be easily trafficked, similar to prostitutes in the states, alongside the belief that people "expire" after a certain age and thus have no value, becoming an issue with the idol business in Japan, similar to how people claim women lose their fertility by a massive amount after 30 years of age and thus aren't worth marrying, people have instead used these points as political attack pieces against the country itself and its culture under the premise that they're degenerates and freaks, while hypocritically engaging with their native culture with equal or worse problems, assuming they don't end up getting caught as pedophiles.

The author concludes that lolicon media, if allowed in the states, will cause its normalization, which will lead to more harm because it's made to be a non-issue. She agrees with the fact that lolicon media doesn't cause literal crime, but will cause harm by changing culture itself to be complacent regarding pedophilia.
She says that while it isn't in her place to comment on a culture she isn't apart of, it's important to speak out against it when it enters and proliferates in our country.
She says that fans of said content may attempt to challenge the legality of such media, and that it's important to place a distinction between "virtual child pornography" and the real deal.
It ends with a summary of Japan's alleged lack of a response to internal problems with child abuse and its treatment of pedophilia, that in regards to content like the idol and JK industry which do real harm must be dealt with, and concludes that all of said issues is due to Japan's internalization and normalization of pedophilia, alongside gaining soft power from its propagation.

Since the start of the paper to the end, I remained steadfast in my opinion: Lolicon is not Pedophilia, and it does nothing to normalize it.
As I've said, pedophilia is a clinical condition defined by attraction to real children. How it's used colloquially is irrelevant, especially if it no longer refers to just minors, but people wearing glasses (guess i'm a minor, haha beyonetta), backpacks, anyone under 5'7 (guess i'm a minor), and oh god so much more.
The internet has butchered its colloquial use, and in all honesty, means absolutely fucking nothing, but I digress.
People have made the distinction between the design and style of fictional art, and that of the concrete details of the real deal.
If we must be concerned with the normalization of pedophilia in the states, I must point out how other movements and systems already in place have done more harm than lolicon.
I will even argue and point out that people who consider it an issue, at the very least, to the point they're keyboard warriors on Twitter, end up being pedophiles themselves, having groomed and abused children before.

And to comment on the statement, "one must question the morality of someone who enjoys media that even features drawings of sexualized children. Accepting even “virtual” images of child pornography shows a morality that states sexualizing children is acceptable," the same also can apply to video games and violence, alongside other fictional depictions of either illegal or immoral acts, such as making drugs, bullying, vigilantism, and so on.

However, the reason the statement doesn't apply is because there's already been research on how it doesn't mean shit in the real world to anyone.
I've linked 3 articles up above as examples of other studies done regarding lolicon, and yeah no it really doesn't do jack shit and it's not a judge of morality.

There do exist issues in this world. Lolicon ain't one of them. Stop wasting your time on it.
And that's essentially why this article means nothing in regards to lolicon, nor proves anything about it.
I do hope no one falls for this shit.


Also, tweeted before the initial one above
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We just gonna ignore this, orrrrrr
There's this thing in psychology where when people attack others, it often reflects who they are as a person.
Call me an Anti if you'd like, because I have no problem using the sames guns they do, but simply put, you know exactly why they're so vocal about "pedophilia."

I hate to sink to their level but after the past 4+ years these creatures have made it 100% clear there's no live and let live to be reached so I'm 90+% on board with using their tactics against them. I'm not doing any fedposting shit but everything else is on the table.

Their inability to understand none of us loli hentai fans have committed any crimes (the laws of the uk, canada, australia, etc on fiction are invalid) yet still attempt to get us killed meant I never would've trusted them even if they did finally back off, you can't come back from attempted murder + over fucking naked cartoons!
 
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Narmy

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Their inability to understand none of us loli hentai fans have committed any crimes (the laws of the uk, canada, australia, etc on fiction are invalid) yet still attempt to get us killed meant I never would've trusted them even if they did finally back off, you can't come back from attempted murder + over fucking naked cartoons!
Pretty sure they are mostly just drama whores who say stupid shit because they like the response they get. It's impossible to get them to understand that since they don't care about being right, they just care about making people angry.
 

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I found someone linked an article that apparently proves how Lolicon normalizes pedophilia.

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Originally I expected it to be a study that essentially proves no correlation, just like all the other ones.
However, turns out it actually is a paper about how Lolicon promotes pedophilia.
And boy. No one actually bothered to read this.


Article Cited:


(And no, this isn't written in academic language.)
(For ease of understanding, I don't plan to overuse technical terms.)
(I'm also not chained to college and its conventions, nor am I getting paid to be an academic with an obligation follow them, so why would I.)

If you decide to read the thing for yourself, it's...
Completely dependent on observation, with some sprinkled in bullshit.

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This is the most obvious one that's false as fuck.

While I'd just post the meme of the difference in statistics again, I may as well update it to recent times because "hurr durr data old means ur wrong"
Said meme is still limited to 2014 statistics.
Here's some datasets for Japan in 2021.
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By the way, you don't need to know Japanese to read this chart.
You literally can just use DeepL or Google Translate to read the words for you.
The numbers and how they're represented are pretty much about the same.



Here's some datasets for the UK in 2021.
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Here is some from the United States.
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The United Nations have compiled a list comparing various countries rape rates, the latest data being 2016-2017.
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America seems to be excluded from this list, however.
So no, Japan isn't one of the biggest child trafficking and abusing countries in the world.
The total amount of crimes is miniscule compared to other countries, of which specifically sex crimes are still just as low compared to other countries, of which include child sexual abuse crimes, especially when compared to the US and UK.



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The entire article is simply filled to the brim of attacks on Japan's culture and politics as a whole, rather than focusing on the topic of the relation between Lolicon and Pedophilia.
That being said, the article focuses broadly about how pedophilia is prevalent in Japan, with Lolicon being one of its points, rather than it being the focus.
However, I'm more than willing to contest those points, because where there is one contradiction, it usually means there's more.

The actual content starts by bringing into light the concept of "Chigo," essentially adolescents who serve Buddhist monks, including sexually, for education, housing, food, and so on.
Basically pastor boys and priests.
In it, she references another paper regarding a piece of Chigo literature, which essentially depicts a Chigo as wanting sexual and romantic treatment from the monks, had to be separated from the monks, committed suicide from being apart too long and being unable to reunite, and that suicide becomes spiritual awakening for the monk.
The author of the referenced paper theorized that they were essentially elevated to a divine status, and thus dehumanized, allowing them to be subjected to immoral acts without moral repercussions -- scapegoated.
She then claims this can be compared to lolicon/shotacon in modern times, and how it too sexualizes minors.
Continuing forward, she brings light onto the concept of "wakashu."
Essentially the same thing as Chigo in terms of physical visual traits, but this time, it's in a sexual hierarchy, with old men at the top, and women at the bottom.
It was often depicted to be okay to have sex with wakashu, and it was often considered alright to have sex with wakashu.
Then another claim that this, too, can be compared to lolicon/shotacon, with the only difference being that lolicon/shotacon is not as accepted as wakashu when it existed.
Japan then attempted to gain "soft power" -- "indirectly influence behavior/interest through culture/ideology" -- after WWII and all the damages it sustained.
Hello Kitty is an example of what was created in an attempt to gain said power.
It is with this knowledge that we can view Japan's modern status and its various laws regarding "child pornography" and how it fails to protect the kids it exploits, alongside how it profits from pedophilia, using media like lolicon/shotacon.

From what is written, you are led to believe that pedophilia has been a cultural norm in Japan, and that they use media as a means to normalize and justify it.
This sets the lens that lolicon/shotacon are nothing different, and are what remains of a culture that indulged in taboo acts.

Once she begins to talk about lolicon, and how artists knowingly are representing children in their works, she points out that while lolicons claim they are just drawings, and agrees that while they are drawings, they still overtly represent children, and that "it is not a stretch to see the link between those who gain sexual gratification from drawings of children and those who gain sexual gratification from images of actual children."

Certainly not a stretch, but of course, an assumption nevertheless, one which no one has been able to prove.
There is very much a separation between fiction and reality, and she even says that people have begun to seek relationships with virtual entities, via dating games and h-games, but says that scholars likely believe this to be due to the culture of modesty and repression that caused the switch of preferences from real to virtual.
Of course, we are to assume every person who is into lolicon is also attracted to CSEM, and that the reason they aren't observably attracted to the real thing is simply because of culture.
Let's ignore the DSM-V and how pedophilia is characterized by the real deal, and its consistent uncontrollable urge toward the real thing.
But of course, Twitter pedophilia is anything regarded towards youth, and more that's honestly mind-boggling.

Despite claiming how the US doesn't openly sexualize minors in the same way that such a culture with pedophilia ingrained in it such as Japan, it is still one of the countries in the world which permit child marriages, often through religion and its customs, some via arranged marriages. Nearly 300k children were legally married in the United States from 2000-2018. Only 7 states in the US has banned child marriages, some of which only decided to ban the act within the recent 2 years.
Of course, despite the age of consent being 16 in the US, kids as young as 10 can get married. Let's ignore the fact the US has a history regarding the exploitation of child marriages to traffick children as well.
In terms of the US doesn't openly sexualize minors, well, in some media, certain Nickelodeon live-action shows often have no problem putting teens into provocative positions in certain episodes.
A well-known popular show, Game of Thrones, has no problem depicting incest.
In recent times, there is the fact that the kids cartoon reboot, Powerpuff Girls, was rewritten so one of the protagonists was made to be infatuated with one of the writer's self insert, who very much is an adult compared to the childish puff.
And if we want to talk about normalization of pedophilia, there have been movements which decide to educate kids in sexual orientation and attraction ages before they've developed said affiliation in the states.
The fact companies who own social media platforms now allow children to wander across social media in spite of the risks and dangers, such as kids-only platforms which allow groomers to infiltrate and exploit the system to groom children online, and allowing children to be exposed to pornography early on due to no viable solution to content regulation that wouldn't simply result in a kids-only platform to-be-exploited.
Alongside that, there exists news outlets which actively promote pedophilia, such as VICE, which has more often than not written articles regarding pedophiles in a positive light, including praising a film that contains CSEM, "Cuties," and what we call Antis essentially promoting people like Vaush, who is an individual who has argued to lower the age of consent, alongside many of them being caught as groomers, sex pest, and child abusers, alongside them possessing CSEM, while all of which detest lolicon media as "pedophilia" in an ironic twist of fate.
Do I want to list them ALL out? The US, ESPECIALLY in recent times, has been taking quite a shift towards pedophilia, and often overtly in active spite of lolicon media.
And while at the end of the day, you might still claim "they're both equally as bad," it only serves to prove the skewed priorities people have, putting more energy towards fiction rather than the real deal, of which has been documented too damn much even on this megathread.

The relevancy of this entire thing being that the paper subtly implied how the US was different in a superior and moral sense on the notion of fictional representation of non-existent entities, made several assumptions that can be said about the US and things considered harmless (in regards to media with exception to live-action, is generally true, ignoring shitty writing of reboot stories), made several claims which are more applicable to her country of origin, all of which premises fail to prove lolicon is pedophilia, especially in the context of the normalization of pedophilia in and out of Japan.

Of course, she goes on to talk about the idol industry and how it values underaged idols, and the JK services which girls are trafficked into engaging in explicit acts with older men for money, of which I do not care about, due to the fact that it's obvious what it is.
That being said, Japan isn't the only country with said idol model, but it is the topic of discussion, thus it will be the focus, and it is admittedly a problem because it hurts minors.
What is a topic of discussion is the fact that said crime rates remain low in Japan compared to other countries, and genuinely isn't as much as a problem as it was presented and still is presented as, worded such that it depicts Japan as a country and culture of pedophiles.
A problem nevertheless, one that ought to be solved, but practice what you preach, especially if you're gonna try to play a game of superiority with it.

Call me harsh if you will for presuming ill-will and acting in return as bad as what I claim to observe, but considering it's full of the same obvious lies and retardation easily disproven with any amount of critical thinking or surface-level research into any of the relevant topics, I'm not really tempted to play civil, especially since these type of arguments are practically never made with the intent to make the world a better place, but instead to demonize those who indulge in the culture in harmless ways.
Need I remind you that this article was cited by a Twitter loser to "prove" that lolicon normalized and perpetuated pedophilia in not just Japan, but anywhere where it's permitted?
Rather than actually discuss issues which I can agree being an issue, including the JKs which become prostitutes for money, which can be easily trafficked, similar to prostitutes in the states, alongside the belief that people "expire" after a certain age and thus have no value, becoming an issue with the idol business in Japan, similar to how people claim women lose their fertility by a massive amount after 30 years of age and thus aren't worth marrying, people have instead used these points as political attack pieces against the country itself and its culture under the premise that they're degenerates and freaks, while hypocritically engaging with their native culture with equal or worse problems, assuming they don't end up getting caught as pedophiles.

The author concludes that lolicon media, if allowed in the states, will cause its normalization, which will lead to more harm because it's made to be a non-issue. She agrees with the fact that lolicon media doesn't cause literal crime, but will cause harm by changing culture itself to be complacent regarding pedophilia.
She says that while it isn't in her place to comment on a culture she isn't apart of, it's important to speak out against it when it enters and proliferates in our country.
She says that fans of said content may attempt to challenge the legality of such media, and that it's important to place a distinction between "virtual child pornography" and the real deal.
It ends with a summary of Japan's alleged lack of a response to internal problems with child abuse and its treatment of pedophilia, that in regards to content like the idol and JK industry which do real harm must be dealt with, and concludes that all of said issues is due to Japan's internalization and normalization of pedophilia, alongside gaining soft power from its propagation.

Since the start of the paper to the end, I remained steadfast in my opinion: Lolicon is not Pedophilia, and it does nothing to normalize it.
As I've said, pedophilia is a clinical condition defined by attraction to real children. How it's used colloquially is irrelevant, especially if it no longer refers to just minors, but people wearing glasses (guess i'm a minor, haha beyonetta), backpacks, anyone under 5'7 (guess i'm a minor), and oh god so much more.
The internet has butchered its colloquial use, and in all honesty, means absolutely fucking nothing, but I digress.
People have made the distinction between the design and style of fictional art, and that of the concrete details of the real deal.
If we must be concerned with the normalization of pedophilia in the states, I must point out how other movements and systems already in place have done more harm than lolicon.
I will even argue and point out that people who consider it an issue, at the very least, to the point they're keyboard warriors on Twitter, end up being pedophiles themselves, having groomed and abused children before.

And to comment on the statement, "one must question the morality of someone who enjoys media that even features drawings of sexualized children. Accepting even “virtual” images of child pornography shows a morality that states sexualizing children is acceptable," the same also can apply to video games and violence, alongside other fictional depictions of either illegal or immoral acts, such as making drugs, bullying, vigilantism, and so on.

However, the reason the statement doesn't apply is because there's already been research on how it doesn't mean shit in the real world to anyone.
I've linked 3 articles up above as examples of other studies done regarding lolicon, and yeah no it really doesn't do jack shit and it's not a judge of morality.

There do exist issues in this world. Lolicon ain't one of them. Stop wasting your time on it.
And that's essentially why this article means nothing in regards to lolicon, nor proves anything about it.
I do hope no one falls for this shit.


Also, tweeted before the initial one above
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We just gonna ignore this, orrrrrr
There's this thing in psychology where when people attack others, it often reflects who they are as a person.
Call me an Anti if you'd like, because I have no problem using the sames guns they do, but simply put, you know exactly why they're so vocal about "pedophilia."

Again, 2 weeks ago, these people went and undermined 2 people calling out a groomer, because the victims were allegedly lolicon.
Only people getting shit underreported and make the issue a joke are literally people who think fictional media are a problem.
Ive seen senior theses before and I can tell you, you can pretty much cobble up any old bs and make it sound academic.
 

Ehuan Hannah

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People go to college to learn how to make their stupid ideas sound intelligent. I'm not kidding.

Do mass murderers exist without violent media? Yes.
Do mass murderers consume violent media? Sometimes.
Is everyone that consumes violent media a mass murderer? No.

Do pedophiles exist without kodocon? Yes.
Do pedophiles consume kodocon? Sometimes.
Is everyone that consumes kodocon a pedophile? No.

You can solve the loli question with common sense but people insist on wasting as much time and braincells as possible.
 

ninja8tyu

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Ive seen senior theses before and I can tell you, you can pretty much cobble up any old bs and make it sound academic.
People go to college to learn how to make their stupid ideas sound intelligent. I'm not kidding.
essentially post-secondary education is a scam because you're either rich enough to get a degree or you've bullshitted your way through without learning anything

yep, i saved a fuckton of money by leaving very early lmfao
 

Hexasheep93

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essentially post-secondary education is a scam because you're either rich enough to get a degree or you've bullshitted your way through without learning anything

yep, i saved a fuckton of money by leaving very early lmfao
Honestly it really depends what are you studying and where. I think any field that has a clear real world application is valid at least to a degree. Like medicine or, engineering.
And of course the more "blue collar" stuff like electric engineering, plumbing, mechanics still hold at least some valule.

Its just those more "social science" type stuff that are just navel gazing nonsense.

As for the price... yeah that is a big issue specially for the Americans
 

ninja8tyu

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Pretty much what I've also been saying for a while.

Amazing how some of them will just openly admit to it.



Also, they're a VTuber, so if you wanna support them, here it is!
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Narmy

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Pretty much what I've also been saying for a while.

Amazing how some of them will just openly admit to it.



Also, they're a VTuber, so if you wanna support them, here it is!
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I don't like this way of defending loli. You don't need to contrast with real life in order to defend fiction, since while there may be a legal loli equivalent in real life there isn't an equivalent for other things that are okay in fiction like toddlercon, guro, rape, etc.

It's like the people who say "well the age of consent is x!" (wrong argument) instead of "real life laws don't apply to fictional characters" (correct argument)
 
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