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salty_apollyon

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love how this is news to people as I recall the fact he was one of the people defending cuties lol
yeah i know all about that but this is more hard evidence for the pile so :shrug:

Bubbukas a good artist, he didn't draw "csam victims", and quite frankly who cares.
Twitterfags need to shut up
well if he didn't use csam victims then it's something that should be clarified, one way or the other it's still creepy the fact that he used lil kids as reference and just like shadman was dragged tru the mud over it so should bubuka
it does not matter if he is a good artist or not what matters is if this nigga did fucked up shit.
 

ninja8tyu

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so the entire issue is essentially based on the morality of using an actual child as reference or a base of a drawing because of whatever harm it'd bring upon the child and so on and so on

well have fun arguing about that if you guys want lmao
 

travys@varis

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I hope you're not map who want lolicons joining map
The models aren't illegal in Japan and bubukka will never care about your western moral faggotry, kill yourself retard
Look you fucking niggers I steer myself clear from real stuffs and I enjoyed cunny whether it's western or eastern made, but the moment stuffs referenced from real stuffs like candydolls I started to doubt the shit outta myself whether I should continue loving loli cunny or not.
 

Hexasheep93

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Look you fucking niggers I steer myself clear from real stuffs and I enjoyed cunny whether it's western or eastern made, but the moment stuffs referenced from real stuffs like candydolls I started to doubt the shit outta myself whether I should continue loving loli cunny or not.
Most artists dont, at least not the ones I follow.

look the way I see it is the way I see everything else on the internet. Everyone can say anything regardless of wheter its true or not, so unless proven I dont immediatly assume thats true. So with loli artists I dont immediatly assume they refference real stuff, unless presented with proof of the contrary ofc.

At the end of the day its up to you what want to do

I hope you're not map who want lolicons joining map
I dont think he is but someone in here certainly sounds like it :asui-what:
 

Scornful Gaze

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Look you fucking niggers I steer myself clear from real stuffs and I enjoyed cunny whether it's western or eastern made, but the moment stuffs referenced from real stuffs like candydolls I started to doubt the shit outta myself whether I should continue loving loli cunny or not.
I believe I've said this before on the Fedi, but, at the risk of splitting hairs, it's not 'referenced' it's 'an OC inspired by true events.' It's still playing with some fire and I'd be a liar to say I'm at all approving of him making an OC based off of some kid, but I can't control other people's dumb decisions. There's that line about never meeting your heroes that I suppose also applies to your favorite porno artists. For what it's worth AFAIK he doesn't draw that character anymore, feel free to prove me wrong though.

The models aren't illegal in Japan and bubukka will never care about your western moral faggotry, kill yourself retard
Wasn't CD an American venture? I'd like to say that it was one of those questionably legal publications that only closed shop because Mastercard flipped their shit, but I ain't into shit like that so I only ever heard it through the grapevine on places like /a/ (this is not an invite to start searching this, and I'll do my due diligence yet again and tell people to not pipe these keywords through Google or DDG).
 

Lost Branch

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Am I the only person who remembers that Japan used to sell softcore porn of actual young teens just a little over a decade ago? The only change they did was that now those teens have to wear clothing. Those mags were equivalent to nudist mags though, and most first world countries still allow the sale of those nudist magazines.

It would be nice if faggots would remember that the entire world isn't run by the US or Europe. The facts are those laws only apply to citizens of said nations.
 

Scornful Gaze

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a little over a decade ago
You answered your own question, most anime fans, and by extention most lolicons, are on the younger side; I can't blame them at all for not remembering half of this shit.
It would be nice if faggots would remember that the entire world isn't run by the US or Europe. The facts are those laws only apply to citizens of said nations.
We already know that, but most people, including yours truly, tend to look poorly on softcore porn of flesh and blood teenagers. I like bubukka as an artist but I don't have to approve of him making fanfiction of an erotic child model, and it's unreasonable to lash out at trayvs for being sour towards the man over it. I'm on the side of viewing that as a moral failing that he should, you know, probably acknowledge even if it isn't illegal or as malicious as the shit Shadman pulled with Keem's daughter. Bold statements only here, I know.
 

Lost Branch

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You answered your own question, most anime fans, and by extention most lolicons, are on the younger side; I can't blame them at all for not remembering half of this shit.

We already know that, but most people, including yours truly, tend to look poorly on softcore porn of flesh and blood teenagers. I like bubukka as an artist but I don't have to approve of him making fanfiction of an erotic child model, and it's unreasonable to lash out at trayvs for being sour towards the man over it. I'm on the side of viewing that as a moral failing that he should, you know, probably acknowledge even if it isn't illegal or as malicious as the shit Shadman pulled with Keem's daughter. Bold statements only here, I know.
I understand not liking it, and no one is forcing you to. I personally don't even pay attention to who any given artist is because I don't care about them.

My shitty post was mainly directed at those throwing a literal fit over it like anything they do matters. They can bitch and moan about other cultures, but changes in law are only being done because of outside governmental influences and not because any large quantity of people there actually cares about those issues. The people there will continue to view it the same way but simply abide by whatever law gets passed. People crying on twitter literally does nothing unless they actively get involved in said decision in real life, which is what we're seeing from all these game companies.
 

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We know they're willing to mass harass someone, send them death threats, dox them, and even push people into suicide.
But I have never encountered a situation where they specifically and completely fearlessly targeted someone over this, from doxxing, death threats, mass harassment, and now it's gotten to the point they're willing to make encounters with them, even at cons and such, in public and even audaciously admitting to several crimes, legal and moral, yet are left untouched and unscathed.
At this point, I feel as if I'm witnessing a snuff film with quite a bit of build-up, and I'm not enticed to let it play out where some fucked up shitheads will be enjoying live slaughter of a human being.

Dunno if it's because people are just desensitized to it, but dead bodies are very unsettling on a deep level.
Special effects and dumb acts come barely close to it with their fun water balloon bursts of blood and flailing.
The simplicity of it is probably what makes it horrifying.
When they stop moving, it's so unnatural in such an unsettling way. They should be moving, but they don't. Even worse is when they twitch or spazz out, be it due to remaining nerve impulses and such, and knowing that they shouldn't be moving, but they still do.
But I digress.

The fact they aren't getting the metal part of a belt to their skulls is rather disappointing and a very bad sign that such evil is very much overlooked and tolerated.

While I doubt anyone here would have the likely chance of encountering such people in real life, I am beginning to think that if this continues, some bold brat will cross a line, and whether it succeeds or not only will say about that these people are in fact threats to be neutralized if it ever occurs.
And if that event were to happen, and they succeed, then it will encourage more violent activity, vitalizing a group of malice-filled demons with the knowledge that even they can kill a "pedophile," for the sake of their twisted dystopian justice.

Personally I'm not tempted to wait around and find out to see if someone's skull will get cracked over drawings, but not like I can do much from a computer screen, especially unarmed against some fucked up violent shitbags.

But because of that, I can't see what my thoughts mean in the grand scheme of things.

What're y'alls thoughts on this? Honestly some other perspectives, preferably hopeful ones, could do me well here.
 

Brazio

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This is my first using and participating in forum, so please tell me if I made mistake like the format I'm using is wrong, I should post x at y megathread or something along those.

I'm bored at the moment and decided to check QRT of Anitwt blocklist which contain people making/supporting lolisho contents.....

I've found a gem

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At first it was your typical anti-lolisho pointing pedo finger at lolicon, but when it (inevitably) comes down to "I don't think a child would looks like *insert a loli here*", their response is shocking

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salty_apollyon

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Bubbuka drew Laura B.
she's a child model who was very popular on imageboards, and he drew some pictures based off her.
ok m8 that's actually creepy, shit's on the level of what shadman did, no matter if bubukas art is good or not, the fact still stands that it was fuckin creepy
If you know Unteralterbach, a lot of the characters there are also based off real kids, see the picture in the spoiler
and this is equally fucked up and i think THESE examples could probably fit under the protect act

idk you man but i think the right thing to do is get away from any of these types of niggas :senko-disgust:[/spoiler]
 
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LiterallyRichter

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Bubbuka drew Laura B.
she's a child model who was very popular on imageboards, and he drew some pictures based off her.
If you know Unteralterbach, a lot of the characters there are also based off real kids, see the picture in the spoiler
Anything about "CSAM victims" is a lie as far as I know and people just freaking out and making a bigger deal out of stuff than it is.
Quite frankly if people are surprised some artists use models like Laura B. for reference they're either incredibly innocent, really retarded, or stupidly oblivious.

Should've lurked on imageboards instead of arguing about gaybaby shit on twitter :hana-disgust:
Is this the part where the curtain falls and you guys admit that though distinct there is a closer link between pedophilia and lolicon than you'd like to admit? Bubbuka is not the only artist to just be openly a pedo(see Mammoth, Dorontabi and pretty much everyone who works with Comic LO).
 

LiterallyRichter

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I'm not an anti or whatever the fuck btw, but this side of the discourse has become insufferable with the fear of pedophilia, or rather the fear that it might at all me related to loli. Guys, be reasonable. Look at the subject matter being discussed and consider that maybe the overlap with pedophilia is real. It doesn't mean you're a pedophile, but some of the loli artists you like probably are.
 

NretsewThePerv

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it's like some people lack basic reading comprehension
to quote Scornful
risk of splitting hairs, it's not 'referenced' it's 'an OC inspired by true events.

the difference between this and what shad did was shad made a work that was directly based on a real actor, was not even a reference it was straight-up based to look like the actor and the character they were playing. these two things are not the same. based on the examples I'm seeing of this over person (baba's) work none of them looks like real people.

shit like this is what got me in trouble back in the discord as I did a shit job articulating the point since fuckers were at my thought about it. the issue I have with these cases is everyone suddenly switch their fucken brains off and start acting like antis when it comes to shit like this raver then take a moment and step back to see if cases like this are indeed what they seem. or if they are even worth being mad about.

in the shad case yea, it was fucken gross and creepy. but last I knew he did get slapped and his site was almost taken down over it. among over things, he did not get away from that Scott free. and I think people that talk about it just want an excuse to shit on shad even tho there are like 100 over things you can shit on shad about that don't end up with you siding with antis and using anti talking points without even realising, you fall into a trap if you play that game so the only smart move is not to play

in the baba case. again. look at the work. do they look like real kids? are they directly based on real kids to the point you can identify them? if not then I don't see the issue. is it creepy dude may or may not have used an IRL reference? sure. but as long as it's not identifiable kids and sticks to the relm of fantasy characters who cares

and on the people spewing shit about loli and its relation to pedo shit just see one of my many posts on this forum about abstraction as I don't feel like repeating myself. are there pedos both making and enjoying loli? sure. just like there are pedos making movies, games, books, and all kinds of media you like. pedos are fucken everywhere, you may or may not have come face to face with one IRL and you would never know. so there is no need to state the blatantly fucken obvious unless you are an anti trying to use it as some kind of gotcha, unless we got proof they doing crimes I don't fucken care

TLDR: you are all fucken retarded, stop being fucken retarded and try not to switch into antis the moment you see a case like this.

/rant
 

Hexasheep93

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Its not hard at all to treat things on a case by case basis people need to chill a little.

I'm not an anti or whatever the fuck btw, but this side of the discourse has become insufferable with the fear of pedophilia, or rather the fear that it might at all me related to loli. Guys, be reasonable. Look at the subject matter being discussed and consider that maybe the overlap with pedophilia is real. It doesn't mean you're a pedophile, but some of the loli artists you like probably are.
>im not an anti but Im gonna parrot all the anti talking points. No ones buying it bud:kekw:
 

Lost Branch

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lol, wait until people find out nearly every character is based on a real person the artist/author knows or knows of. The reason why no one notices is because they'll take liberties with their physical or mental identity. Also, just because I want to know, what about that one author who wrote a series about her own life with giant tits, should no one make doujins about that character because it's based on the author herself?

As for the protect act, no, it does not apply. Those pictures are not a 1:1 rendition of the person in question. If I saw those on an image board, I would have no idea they're based on real people.

And again, no one is forcing you to like any of it. Just don't dwell on it because that will get you no where.
 

Hexasheep93

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lol, wait until people find out nearly every character is based on a real person the artist/author knows or knows of. The reason why no one notices is because they'll take liberties with their physical or mental identity. Also, just because I want to know, what about that one author who wrote a series about her own life with giant tits, should no one make doujins about that character because it's based on the author herself?

As for the protect act, no, it does not apply. Those pictures are not a 1:1 rendition of the person in question. If I saw those on an image board, I would have no idea they're based on real people.

And again, no one is forcing you to like any of it. Just don't dwell on it because that will get you no where.
First of all, you shouldnt speak out of your ass. Many artists come up with original characters all the time Its called having creativity. Not to mention the wealth of lewds that are from clearly fictional characters

Also thats not the point of why people are taking issue with bubbuka or shad. They didnt made characters out of some memory they have. They took real people and made lewd art of it.

That said talking about it in some obscure forum is not gonna get us anywhere.
So if you have issue with those artists, which I personally do. Then dont support them, and if you feel that you should call attention to that then twitter or the fedi is a way better place than this forum.

And for the cunt maps that keep trying to weasel their way into this nonsense go jump on a woodchipper:mokou-lying:
 

LiterallyRichter

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Its not hard at all to treat things on a case by case basis people need to chill a little.


>im not an anti but Im gonna parrot all the anti talking points. No ones buying it bud:kekw:
It's not "anti talking points" this stuff was being discussed by lolicons on 4chan way before tumblr had invaded twitter. These arguments aren't anything new. Time is a flat circle it seems. The claims some you make are simply unreasonable and make lolicons look like ridiculous zealots in their own right.
lol, wait until people find out nearly every character is based on a real person the artist/author knows or knows of. The reason why no one notices is because they'll take liberties with their physical or mental identity. Also, just because I want to know, what about that one author who wrote a series about her own life with giant tits, should no one make doujins about that character because it's based on the author herself?

As for the protect act, no, it does not apply. Those pictures are not a 1:1 rendition of the person in question. If I saw those on an image board, I would have no idea they're based on real people.

And again, no one is forcing you to like any of it. Just don't dwell on it because that will get you no where.
It's called referencing and it's completely natural for the artistic process. I don't care that Bubbuka is referencing Laura, his art is still good. I might as well never like any lolis at that point because unlike what most of you care to admit, they are meant to depict children and they are referencing the proportions and aesthetics of children to achieve that effect. Some lolis are drawn more like petite women but you can usually tell what each artist is going for.
 
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