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Pekora cameo removed from demon lord anime

Hibiki

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Apparently it was unauthorized, maybe a joke from the animation team that went ignored. Seems like cover wasn't happy about it or demanded money.
So in the next rebroadcasts and BLUrays the character will be changed.
We don't know the exact reason, maybe it was cover, maybe it was just corporate bullshit and nothing actually happened, we will never know, but they are removing it and that's lame af.


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ANN article

How NOT to Summon a Demon Lord Omega Production Committee Apologizes for Usada Pekora Lookalike Character​



The How NOT to Summon a Demon Lord Ω official Twitter account posted a message from the production committee on Wednesday apologizing for episode 2's unauthorized use of a background character strongly resembling the hololive Virtual YouTuber Usada Pekora. After consulting the matter with hololive parent company Cover Corp, the production committee has decided to replace the character design. This will be reflected in subsequent rebroadcasts and other formats of the anime's release.


The background character in question was briefly shown at roughly the 2:43 mark of the original broadcast and streaming version of the episode.

pekora.jpg

For comparison's sake, an image of Pekora is shown below:

pekora.jpg

At the time, Pekora reacted on Twitter by tweeting out a single shocked "Peko?!"



Usada Pekora is a 3rd generation hololive VTuber talent who debuted in July 2019. In December 2020, she reached the 1 million subscriber milestone and commemorated the occasion by coming out to her mother as a Virtual YouTuber. In 2020, she was one of the top 5 most-viewed female streamers.


The second season of the television anime of Yukiya Murasaki's How NOT to Summon a Demon Lord light novel series debuted on April 8.


Source: How NOT to Summon a Demon Lord Ω official Twitter account
 
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Fennec_fox

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This is bullshit. Her cameo/easter egg appearance is just that, why would they do this? From what I have seen apparently it is connected to the Japanese corpo culture, FUCK that bullshit :seething:
 

Cayhr

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I saw this and obviously it was a bummer, but I'm inclined to believe that this may have incurred legal complications with HoloLive. Obviously, we know that in this day and age it's no fun for us actual fans in the mainstream, and removals of things like this are highly likely to be done for that reason, but sometimes it may just be a legitimate situation of unauthorized usage of other IPs. I won't be surprised if it's either situation since both are highly plausible.

tbh, I'm going to reserve judgment on everyone for now, since I don't think we have enough conclusive evidence regarding the happenings behind the scene.
 

Jahy

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I'm inclined to believe that this may have incurred legal complications with HoloLive.
Of course it has, because Japan is still living in the Stone Age when it comes to copyright law. I am almost certain the animation studio could not only face litigation but lose it handily because of how strict and abused copyright law is over there.

With that being said, just because hololive may have legal justification, that doesn't mean they are ethical in their decision to do this. Far from it, really.

sometimes it may just be a legitimate situation of unauthorized usage of other IPs
Having this sort of mindset is why things like this are left to fester, and I certainly hope I am misinterpreting your post as a casual endorsement of this behavior.

This character was simply included as an homage to Pekora. It is not a replacement for Pekora. It's not even a carbon copy of Pekora. It is not a main character. It's not even a supporting character. They are not monetizing this character through merchandise or any form outside of simply airing the episode with her inclusion for like a couple seconds.

This is legitimately ridiculous behavior, and it boggles the mind how bad things have gotten in Japan where this is not only upheld in the culture but humilation by the studio (via this "apology) is required. Nobody was upset about this, and I would go as far to bet that Pekora really enjoyed seeing it. This is just another clear cut case of Japanese suits being absolutely irredeemable money-grubbing faggots who are assblasted they're not getting their paltry shekels for an innocent reference.

Sorry if this post was a bit aggressive but I am absolutely livid at this sort of thing and it is easily one of the worst aspects of Japanese culture. With how bad copyright-related situations are here in the west, I can't help but see this as not only a potential but likely future for us.
 

LegallyLoli

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Can't make much references of anime without their permission. Slight parodies could get away, but direct is a no-no. Lord knows that the first episode of Osomatsu-san, which had other references like Attack on Titan, is still not released on any home video product.
 

MexRng

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Cant imagine how hard it would be to one get a permisions for all the parody stuff that is done by say D-frag, not to mention Gintama.
 

Serene Musik Serenity

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Apparently it was unauthorized, maybe a joke from the animation team that went ignored. Seems like cover wasn't happy about it or demanded money.
So in the next rebroadcasts and BLUrays the character will be changed.
We don't know the exact reason, maybe it was cover, maybe it was just corporate bullshit and nothing actually happened, we will never know, but they are removing it and that's lame af.
ANN article
That sucks balls
 

Fennec_fox

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Of course it has, because Japan is still living in the Stone Age when it comes to copyright law. I am almost certain the animation studio could not only face litigation but lose it handily because of how strict and abused copyright law is over there.

With that being said, just because hololive may have legal justification, that doesn't mean they are ethical in their decision to do this. Far from it, really.


Having this sort of mindset is why things like this are left to fester, and I certainly hope I am misinterpreting your post as a casual endorsement of this behavior.

This character was simply included as an homage to Pekora. It is not a replacement for Pekora. It's not even a carbon copy of Pekora. It is not a main character. It's not even a supporting character. They are not monetizing this character through merchandise or any form outside of simply airing the episode with her inclusion for like a couple seconds.

This is legitimately ridiculous behavior, and it boggles the mind how bad things have gotten in Japan where this is not only upheld in the culture but humilation by the studio (via this "apology) is required. Nobody was upset about this, and I would go as far to bet that Pekora really enjoyed seeing it. This is just another clear cut case of Japanese suits being absolutely irredeemable money-grubbing faggots who are assblasted they're not getting their paltry shekels for an innocent reference.

Sorry if this post was a bit aggressive but I am absolutely livid at this sort of thing and it is easily one of the worst aspects of Japanese culture. With how bad copyright-related situations are here in the west, I can't help but see this as not only a potential but likely future for us.
Don' worry bro, this is completely justified on your part given how utter BULLSHIT this situation is. Guess I'll have to download the original run of How not to summon a demon lord just in case to preserve this for the foreseeable future.
Can't make much references of anime without their permission. Slight parodies could get away, but direct is a no-no. Lord knows that the first episode of Osomatsu-san, which had other references like Attack on Titan, is still not released on any home video product.
This makes my blood boil
John wick time to purge the evil'.jpg
 

LegallyLoli

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Part of me had hoped that Viz could try to release the first episode of Osomatsu-san for international release, but I guess they weren't given rights to even dub that episode.
 

Cayhr

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Potentially super unpopular opinion ahead...

Having this sort of mindset is why things like this are left to fester, and I certainly hope I am misinterpreting your post as a casual endorsement of this behavior.

This character was simply included as an homage to Pekora. It is not a replacement for Pekora. It's not even a carbon copy of Pekora. It is not a main character. It's not even a supporting character. They are not monetizing this character through merchandise or any form outside of simply airing the episode with her inclusion for like a couple seconds.

This is legitimately ridiculous behavior, and it boggles the mind how bad things have gotten in Japan where this is not only upheld in the culture but humilation by the studio (via this "apology) is required. Nobody was upset about this, and I would go as far to bet that Pekora really enjoyed seeing it. This is just another clear cut case of Japanese suits being absolutely irredeemable money-grubbing faggots who are assblasted they're not getting their paltry shekels for an innocent reference.

Sorry if this post was a bit aggressive but I am absolutely livid at this sort of thing and it is easily one of the worst aspects of Japanese culture. With how bad copyright-related situations are here in the west, I can't help but see this as not only a potential but likely future for us.
I know what you're talking about, and I expected someone to respond with that kind of sentiment. Don't worry, I'm not upset at you. I'm not one to take these casual stances and just let things happen slowly, but I'm just looking at things objectively, and through a different lens. While it's not exactly Pekora, a case can be made that she too closely resembles Pekora, and unfortunately, the character's appearance does give the anime extra marketing using a HoloLive IP. Cameo bunnygirl may not be Pekora, replace Pekora, or even try to be Pekora, but it does affect the performance of the anime, even if didn't translate to financial gain. It's a subtle impact, but Pekora fans or anyone with related interest to Pekora or those associated with her will have some amount of extra interest in the anime now that there is viral news of a Peko-like character appearing for a few seconds as a cameo. This results in that bit of more interest in the anime and potential sales (because yknow, the anime gets bought/licensed/whatever'd for money), which is still non-zero.

Let me just make it clear: I don't endorse the removal of the cameo character. The best-case scenario would be that, upon this discovery going viral, HoloLive impulsively condoned or even endorsed the Peko-like character in some way, and everyone got the message that it was a one-time pass for the laughs. For example, imagine if HoloLive just said: "Oh yeah, we saw that Pekora-like character! We talked to Peko and she was okay with it, so we will actually endorse the inclusion. We think the inclusion is funny, so go watch the anime! Thank you for your support." That's what we all want to have happen, but that's not what happened. Everything is so uptight now, so I don't blame you for having that attitude. But we have to look at it from the perspective of the animation studio and then think about what new creators do going forward, because that's not the way things work in the legacy industry. Again, I understand your frustration, but even if the ideal thing happens where HoloLive condones the Peko-like cameo, it opens a floodgate of potential for other companies or businesses to cameo HoloLive characters, and then the legal headaches will come into play when someone makes a bunch of money off of HoloLive's name or legally owned personas. They condoned it once, so why not again? Now, HoloLive could make it explicit that they endorse this one cameo and will handle them on a case-by-case basis, but executives are not stupid. They do stupid things, but because they've done the analysis on what saves or makes them the most money (unless it's the Western industry with some companies in particular like Disney; they've been duped by politics and rightfully deserve to lose money and die off). I'm willing to bet the HoloLive execs decided it would take significantly more money to handle lawsuits of future Peko or other HoloLive girl cameos they don't want, and such stopped it at the first. It's not my mentality or anyone else's mentality that lead to this. You can't root-cause like that, because truth of the matter is, it's just business and playing the game. There will always be that asshole that games the system, so that's why we're in the situation we are in, and it's not your fault, nor is it my fault. And like you, I wish things were different.

I wish to provide an analogy to solidify my point. Think of it in this scenario: There are two artists that make money off their art (including OCs) and monetize all their art through Patreon or SubscribeStar or Pixiv Fanbox or whatever, and are high profile enough that they could file lawsuits against one another (just assume for the sake of the analogy). Let's say one of the artists, Artist A, cameos the OC of another artist in the back or side of one of his or her's pieces, and then fans come out sharing news of that artist using an OC that belongs to another artist, Artist B. This potentially causes the fans/audience of Artist B to subscribe to Artist A's (financial support) or share that art and say things like, "Hey we found <OC of Artist B> in Artist A's work!" (free marketing). Artist A has benefitted off of Artist B's property, whether you think it's significant or not. Like the Peko-like cameo, there are different choices available for Artist B with different consequences:

1) Artist B takes a moment to look over what Artist A is doing and doesn't like that his OC was included without permission. Artist B may or may not be excessively conscious of his personal earnings, but that's irrelevant. He asks Artist A to take it down, and if Artist A desires, they can sign a deal for each other to share sales if they include one another's OCs in the artwork, or as just an exclusive mutual agreement to allow use of one another's OCs (personally I'd do the latter if I was in this case, being an artist myself, and I think it fosters a happier community). This results in Artist B looking stuck up, but it legitimately resolves a lot of issues Artist A may not have been aware of in the future, who included Artist B's OC out of fun, and Artist A apologizes for "wrongly" using Artist B's OC. Artist A and Artist B aren't enemies, but Artist A may feel bad for not being able to use Artist B's OC, and Artist B may feel bad for not being able to let the funnies happen because he's trying to avoid headache scenarios. (This is basically what happened).​
2a) Artist B looks at Artist A's work and finds the inclusion acceptable and funny. The fanbases/audiences of Artist A and B unite, and they have a good time. But they forget to declare that it was just a one-time thing between them, and another artist, Artist C (in the same market), then looks at this as permission to use Artist A and Artist B's OC's in a monetized artwork. Artist A and Artist B have to inform Artist C and then every other artist that it was just a thing between them, and request Artist C to remove the cameos, as it was not permissible. They then either have to make this very clear upfront so no more Artist C's pop up, or they end up handling monetized cameos on a case-by-case basis.​
2b) Artist B accepts the inclusion like before, and the fanbases/audiences of Artist A and B have a good time. But lots and lots of Artist C's pop up and use whatever local, regional, and national laws they can to argue that Artist B endorsed the inclusion of his OC in other's artworks, and Artist B, having simply been someone that entered the existing industry as a complete outsider and with no influence on the way it was brought up, has to either fight lawsuits or retract his previous endorsement and go back to scenario 1.​

This could have all been avoided if Artist A requested permission from Artist B in the first place. This does bring the question...why did the animation studio for How Not to Summon a Demon Lord make an apology if this was the obvious first step? Maybe they didn't? Regardless, I hope the point was made.

Don't take this the wrong way, and please understand that I also don't like how all the fun stuff is being removed, but if we -as in you, me, and everyone else tired of the way things work now- want to see the ideal situation occur as outlined above without the legal headaches, you have to search for it in a different industry. Dedicate 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, or even 50% of the amount of emotional and financial investment you spend in the mainstream to new creators that uphold the culture you want and actually promote/endorse them. We have to fight the current business culture with a newer, smaller (but not insignificantly smaller), insider one if we want to have these good things to happen. I'll acknowledge a bit of hypocrisy right now; I have not sorted out my situation regarding monetization of myself and my peers, so I have yet to financially endorse the creators I want (because I need to do it safely; it's money, you know). But once I do, you bet I'll be putting my money where my mouth is. And I already have been, as I primarily support indie creators. For example in the video game space, I support one or two AAA because the IPs are good, like Monster Hunter, but mostly indie IPs like Hollow Knight, Skul, Risk of Rain, Hades, Deep Rock Galactic, etc. As of now, the entertainment industry's culture is uptight on laws and public image, and it's not very fun when cross-over content occurs such as this. It'll be hard to create a new industry because entertainment media is so concentrated on the big names right now, so there is this massive lull for new IPs/creators/industries. Unfortunately, this is key to changing the way things are, and it will be a very, very slow process that potentially blackpills along the way.

Again, the way things should be are not the way they are, so we have to vote for or create the industry that exhibits the traits we think it should have. In some ways us migrating over to Varis is the start of creating new communities and potentially support for new industries. It all stems from the culture that brings it up. I do wonder if the animation studio did try to obtain permission, but... yknow, clearly things are different. I hope I was clear in my delivery, and please ask if anything was unclear or if I butchered my understandings of things. This situation sucks for everyone, especially us that just want to enjoy things.
 

NotYourKindOfPeople

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Potentially super unpopular opinion ahead...


I know what you're talking about, and I expected someone to respond with that kind of sentiment. Don't worry, I'm not upset at you. I'm not one to take these casual stances and just let things happen slowly, but I'm just looking at things objectively, and through a different lens. While it's not exactly Pekora, a case can be made that she too closely resembles Pekora, and unfortunately, the character's appearance does give the anime extra marketing using a HoloLive IP. Cameo bunnygirl may not be Pekora, replace Pekora, or even try to be Pekora, but it does affect the performance of the anime, even if didn't translate to financial gain. It's a subtle impact, but Pekora fans or anyone with related interest to Pekora or those associated with her will have some amount of extra interest in the anime now that there is viral news of a Peko-like character appearing for a few seconds as a cameo. This results in that bit of more interest in the anime and potential sales (because yknow, the anime gets bought/licensed/whatever'd for money), which is still non-zero.

Let me just make it clear: I don't endorse the removal of the cameo character. The best-case scenario would be that, upon this discovery going viral, HoloLive impulsively condoned or even endorsed the Peko-like character in some way, and everyone got the message that it was a one-time pass for the laughs. For example, imagine if HoloLive just said: "Oh yeah, we saw that Pekora-like character! We talked to Peko and she was okay with it, so we will actually endorse the inclusion. We think the inclusion is funny, so go watch the anime! Thank you for your support." That's what we all want to have happen, but that's not what happened. Everything is so uptight now, so I don't blame you for having that attitude. But we have to look at it from the perspective of the animation studio and then think about what new creators do going forward, because that's not the way things work in the legacy industry. Again, I understand your frustration, but even if the ideal thing happens where HoloLive condones the Peko-like cameo, it opens a floodgate of potential for other companies or businesses to cameo HoloLive characters, and then the legal headaches will come into play when someone makes a bunch of money off of HoloLive's name or legally owned personas. They condoned it once, so why not again? Now, HoloLive could make it explicit that they endorse this one cameo and will handle them on a case-by-case basis, but executives are not stupid. They do stupid things, but because they've done the analysis on what saves or makes them the most money (unless it's the Western industry with some companies in particular like Disney; they've been duped by politics and rightfully deserve to lose money and die off). I'm willing to bet the HoloLive execs decided it would take significantly more money to handle lawsuits of future Peko or other HoloLive girl cameos they don't want, and such stopped it at the first. It's not my mentality or anyone else's mentality that lead to this. You can't root-cause like that, because truth of the matter is, it's just business and playing the game. There will always be that asshole that games the system, so that's why we're in the situation we are in, and it's not your fault, nor is it my fault. And like you, I wish things were different.

I wish to provide an analogy to solidify my point. Think of it in this scenario: There are two artists that make money off their art (including OCs) and monetize all their art through Patreon or SubscribeStar or Pixiv Fanbox or whatever, and are high profile enough that they could file lawsuits against one another (just assume for the sake of the analogy). Let's say one of the artists, Artist A, cameos the OC of another artist in the back or side of one of his or her's pieces, and then fans come out sharing news of that artist using an OC that belongs to another artist, Artist B. This potentially causes the fans/audience of Artist B to subscribe to Artist A's (financial support) or share that art and say things like, "Hey we found <OC of Artist B> in Artist A's work!" (free marketing). Artist A has benefitted off of Artist B's property, whether you think it's significant or not. Like the Peko-like cameo, there are different choices available for Artist B with different consequences:

1) Artist B takes a moment to look over what Artist A is doing and doesn't like that his OC was included without permission. Artist B may or may not be excessively conscious of his personal earnings, but that's irrelevant. He asks Artist A to take it down, and if Artist A desires, they can sign a deal for each other to share sales if they include one another's OCs in the artwork, or as just an exclusive mutual agreement to allow use of one another's OCs (personally I'd do the latter if I was in this case, being an artist myself, and I think it fosters a happier community). This results in Artist B looking stuck up, but it legitimately resolves a lot of issues Artist A may not have been aware of in the future, who included Artist B's OC out of fun, and Artist A apologizes for "wrongly" using Artist B's OC. Artist A and Artist B aren't enemies, but Artist A may feel bad for not being able to use Artist B's OC, and Artist B may feel bad for not being able to let the funnies happen because he's trying to avoid headache scenarios. (This is basically what happened).​
2a) Artist B looks at Artist A's work and finds the inclusion acceptable and funny. The fanbases/audiences of Artist A and B unite, and they have a good time. But they forget to declare that it was just a one-time thing between them, and another artist, Artist C (in the same market), then looks at this as permission to use Artist A and Artist B's OC's in a monetized artwork. Artist A and Artist B have to inform Artist C and then every other artist that it was just a thing between them, and request Artist C to remove the cameos, as it was not permissible. They then either have to make this very clear upfront so no more Artist C's pop up, or they end up handling monetized cameos on a case-by-case basis.​
2b) Artist B accepts the inclusion like before, and the fanbases/audiences of Artist A and B have a good time. But lots and lots of Artist C's pop up and use whatever local, regional, and national laws they can to argue that Artist B endorsed the inclusion of his OC in other's artworks, and Artist B, having simply been someone that entered the existing industry as a complete outsider and with no influence on the way it was brought up, has to either fight lawsuits or retract his previous endorsement and go back to scenario 1.​

This could have all been avoided if Artist A requested permission from Artist B in the first place. This does bring the question...why did the animation studio for How Not to Summon a Demon Lord make an apology if this was the obvious first step? Maybe they didn't? Regardless, I hope the point was made.

Don't take this the wrong way, and please understand that I also don't like how all the fun stuff is being removed, but if we -as in you, me, and everyone else tired of the way things work now- want to see the ideal situation occur as outlined above without the legal headaches, you have to search for it in a different industry. Dedicate 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, or even 50% of the amount of emotional and financial investment you spend in the mainstream to new creators that uphold the culture you want and actually promote/endorse them. We have to fight the current business culture with a newer, smaller (but not insignificantly smaller), insider one if we want to have these good things to happen. I'll acknowledge a bit of hypocrisy right now; I have not sorted out my situation regarding monetization of myself and my peers, so I have yet to financially endorse the creators I want (because I need to do it safely; it's money, you know). But once I do, you bet I'll be putting my money where my mouth is. And I already have been, as I primarily support indie creators. For example in the video game space, I support one or two AAA because the IPs are good, like Monster Hunter, but mostly indie IPs like Hollow Knight, Skul, Risk of Rain, Hades, Deep Rock Galactic, etc. As of now, the entertainment industry's culture is uptight on laws and public image, and it's not very fun when cross-over content occurs such as this. It'll be hard to create a new industry because entertainment media is so concentrated on the big names right now, so there is this massive lull for new IPs/creators/industries. Unfortunately, this is key to changing the way things are, and it will be a very, very slow process that potentially blackpills along the way.

Again, the way things should be are not the way they are, so we have to vote for or create the industry that exhibits the traits we think it should have. In some ways us migrating over to Varis is the start of creating new communities and potentially support for new industries. It all stems from the culture that brings it up. I do wonder if the animation studio did try to obtain permission, but... yknow, clearly things are different. I hope I was clear in my delivery, and please ask if anything was unclear or if I butchered my understandings of things. This situation sucks for everyone, especially us that just want to enjoy things.
Yeah, Cover probably decided to nip this in the bud and decided that the risk of coming off as assholes was worth it to not have to deal with the possibility of this happening again. It sucks but there's not much us mere mortals can do to stop it.
 

Narbray

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not to mention Gintama.
things with gintama are a bit different, gintama has two huge companies backing it, see Shueisha and see bandai namco
The scope and relationships that these companies have served as support for Gintama.
Potentially super unpopular opinion ahead...


I know what you're talking about, and I expected someone to respond with that kind of sentiment. Don't worry, I'm not upset at you. I'm not one to take these casual stances and just let things happen slowly, but I'm just looking at things objectively, and through a different lens. While it's not exactly Pekora, a case can be made that she too closely resembles Pekora, and unfortunately, the character's appearance does give the anime extra marketing using a HoloLive IP. Cameo bunnygirl may not be Pekora, replace Pekora, or even try to be Pekora, but it does affect the performance of the anime, even if didn't translate to financial gain. It's a subtle impact, but Pekora fans or anyone with related interest to Pekora or those associated with her will have some amount of extra interest in the anime now that there is viral news of a Peko-like character appearing for a few seconds as a cameo. This results in that bit of more interest in the anime and potential sales (because yknow, the anime gets bought/licensed/whatever'd for money), which is still non-zero.

Let me just make it clear: I don't endorse the removal of the cameo character. The best-case scenario would be that, upon this discovery going viral, HoloLive impulsively condoned or even endorsed the Peko-like character in some way, and everyone got the message that it was a one-time pass for the laughs. For example, imagine if HoloLive just said: "Oh yeah, we saw that Pekora-like character! We talked to Peko and she was okay with it, so we will actually endorse the inclusion. We think the inclusion is funny, so go watch the anime! Thank you for your support." That's what we all want to have happen, but that's not what happened. Everything is so uptight now, so I don't blame you for having that attitude. But we have to look at it from the perspective of the animation studio and then think about what new creators do going forward, because that's not the way things work in the legacy industry. Again, I understand your frustration, but even if the ideal thing happens where HoloLive condones the Peko-like cameo, it opens a floodgate of potential for other companies or businesses to cameo HoloLive characters, and then the legal headaches will come into play when someone makes a bunch of money off of HoloLive's name or legally owned personas. They condoned it once, so why not again? Now, HoloLive could make it explicit that they endorse this one cameo and will handle them on a case-by-case basis, but executives are not stupid. They do stupid things, but because they've done the analysis on what saves or makes them the most money (unless it's the Western industry with some companies in particular like Disney; they've been duped by politics and rightfully deserve to lose money and die off). I'm willing to bet the HoloLive execs decided it would take significantly more money to handle lawsuits of future Peko or other HoloLive girl cameos they don't want, and such stopped it at the first. It's not my mentality or anyone else's mentality that lead to this. You can't root-cause like that, because truth of the matter is, it's just business and playing the game. There will always be that asshole that games the system, so that's why we're in the situation we are in, and it's not your fault, nor is it my fault. And like you, I wish things were different.

I wish to provide an analogy to solidify my point. Think of it in this scenario: There are two artists that make money off their art (including OCs) and monetize all their art through Patreon or SubscribeStar or Pixiv Fanbox or whatever, and are high profile enough that they could file lawsuits against one another (just assume for the sake of the analogy). Let's say one of the artists, Artist A, cameos the OC of another artist in the back or side of one of his or her's pieces, and then fans come out sharing news of that artist using an OC that belongs to another artist, Artist B. This potentially causes the fans/audience of Artist B to subscribe to Artist A's (financial support) or share that art and say things like, "Hey we found <OC of Artist B> in Artist A's work!" (free marketing). Artist A has benefitted off of Artist B's property, whether you think it's significant or not. Like the Peko-like cameo, there are different choices available for Artist B with different consequences:

1) Artist B takes a moment to look over what Artist A is doing and doesn't like that his OC was included without permission. Artist B may or may not be excessively conscious of his personal earnings, but that's irrelevant. He asks Artist A to take it down, and if Artist A desires, they can sign a deal for each other to share sales if they include one another's OCs in the artwork, or as just an exclusive mutual agreement to allow use of one another's OCs (personally I'd do the latter if I was in this case, being an artist myself, and I think it fosters a happier community). This results in Artist B looking stuck up, but it legitimately resolves a lot of issues Artist A may not have been aware of in the future, who included Artist B's OC out of fun, and Artist A apologizes for "wrongly" using Artist B's OC. Artist A and Artist B aren't enemies, but Artist A may feel bad for not being able to use Artist B's OC, and Artist B may feel bad for not being able to let the funnies happen because he's trying to avoid headache scenarios. (This is basically what happened).​
2a) Artist B looks at Artist A's work and finds the inclusion acceptable and funny. The fanbases/audiences of Artist A and B unite, and they have a good time. But they forget to declare that it was just a one-time thing between them, and another artist, Artist C (in the same market), then looks at this as permission to use Artist A and Artist B's OC's in a monetized artwork. Artist A and Artist B have to inform Artist C and then every other artist that it was just a thing between them, and request Artist C to remove the cameos, as it was not permissible. They then either have to make this very clear upfront so no more Artist C's pop up, or they end up handling monetized cameos on a case-by-case basis.​
2b) Artist B accepts the inclusion like before, and the fanbases/audiences of Artist A and B have a good time. But lots and lots of Artist C's pop up and use whatever local, regional, and national laws they can to argue that Artist B endorsed the inclusion of his OC in other's artworks, and Artist B, having simply been someone that entered the existing industry as a complete outsider and with no influence on the way it was brought up, has to either fight lawsuits or retract his previous endorsement and go back to scenario 1.​

This could have all been avoided if Artist A requested permission from Artist B in the first place. This does bring the question...why did the animation studio for How Not to Summon a Demon Lord make an apology if this was the obvious first step? Maybe they didn't? Regardless, I hope the point was made.

Don't take this the wrong way, and please understand that I also don't like how all the fun stuff is being removed, but if we -as in you, me, and everyone else tired of the way things work now- want to see the ideal situation occur as outlined above without the legal headaches, you have to search for it in a different industry. Dedicate 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%, or even 50% of the amount of emotional and financial investment you spend in the mainstream to new creators that uphold the culture you want and actually promote/endorse them. We have to fight the current business culture with a newer, smaller (but not insignificantly smaller), insider one if we want to have these good things to happen. I'll acknowledge a bit of hypocrisy right now; I have not sorted out my situation regarding monetization of myself and my peers, so I have yet to financially endorse the creators I want (because I need to do it safely; it's money, you know). But once I do, you bet I'll be putting my money where my mouth is. And I already have been, as I primarily support indie creators. For example in the video game space, I support one or two AAA because the IPs are good, like Monster Hunter, but mostly indie IPs like Hollow Knight, Skul, Risk of Rain, Hades, Deep Rock Galactic, etc. As of now, the entertainment industry's culture is uptight on laws and public image, and it's not very fun when cross-over content occurs such as this. It'll be hard to create a new industry because entertainment media is so concentrated on the big names right now, so there is this massive lull for new IPs/creators/industries. Unfortunately, this is key to changing the way things are, and it will be a very, very slow process that potentially blackpills along the way.

Again, the way things should be are not the way they are, so we have to vote for or create the industry that exhibits the traits we think it should have. In some ways us migrating over to Varis is the start of creating new communities and potentially support for new industries. It all stems from the culture that brings it up. I do wonder if the animation studio did try to obtain permission, but... yknow, clearly things are different. I hope I was clear in my delivery, and please ask if anything was unclear or if I butchered my understandings of things. This situation sucks for everyone, especially us that just want to enjoy things.
excellent explanation, that is what I thought, here the problem is not if hololive only thinks about money or not, the initial problem in my opinion is why the anime studio did not ask permission to hololive or pekora at first to do it? Regardless of whether they have done it with bad or good intentions, whether the result is bad or good, the thing is that they did it without permission and hololive cannot be blamed for making a decision that, as you say, would avoid some headaches in the future, we do not know if hololive all he wants is money or not, but what we can know is that if they let that go without further ado, others could try to do the same and it could become a headache for them. The fault at first is who decided to make the cameo without thinking about what could lead to this type of situation, although they have done it with good intentions just to have fun.
if what the studio was concerned about was that hololive would ask for a commission from the earnings for using the image of peko ... then who is the one who is thinking only about money? however, the staff may simply not have thought about this and found it for fun which would not generate a culprit as such, they simply should have thought about the problems this could have caused


Also keep in mind that many of the parodies that you see today tend to happen between companies with very good relationships beforehand and who usually let this happen.
Or many are parodies that have been repeated frequently before and rights holders have turned a blind eye before, giving the team the assurance that if they are cautious they will not get into trouble, even so it may be. risky and no one is exempt from problems.
 
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things with gintama are a bit different, gintama has two huge companies backing it, see Shueisha and see bandai namco
The scope and relationships that these companies have served as support for Gintama.

excellent explanation, that is what I thought, here the problem is not if hololive only thinks about money or not, the initial problem in my opinion is why the anime studio did not ask permission to hololive or pekora at first to do it the cameo? Regardless of whether they have done it with bad or good intentions, whether the result is bad or good, the thing is that they did it without permission and hololive cannot be blamed for making a decision that, as you say, would avoid some headaches in the future, we do not know if hololive all he wants is money or not, but what we can know is that if they let that go without further ado, others could try to do the same and it could become a headache for them. The fault at first is who decided to make the cameo without thinking about what could lead to this type of situation, although they have done it with good intentions just to have fun.
if what the studio was concerned about was that hololive would ask for a commission from the earnings for using the image of peko ... then who is the one who is thinking only about money? however, the staff may simply not have thought about this and found it for fun which would not generate a culprit as such, they simply should have thought about the problems this could have caused


Also keep in mind that many of the parodies that you see today tend to happen between companies with very good relationships beforehand and who usually let this happen.
Or many are parodies that have been repeated frequently before and rights holders have turned a blind eye before, giving the team the assurance that if they are cautious they will not get into trouble, even so it may be. risky and no one is exempt from problems.
Yeah the whole situation sucks because I'm sure it was all meant to be for fun and someone at the animation studio liked Pekora, but it ended up causing other things inadvertently, and now here we are.
 
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