Discussion Sinder & Silvervale (potential partners or clash bound to happen?)
True, the thread will most likely die in time, but at least it is now kept in the server as a record for any reference, as shit like that is never truly gone.
Yeah, with all the rrats coming out (and her subcribers amount dropping as we speak), I have a hard time believing Sinder will be able to get herself out of this self-made mess. While I don't believe yet (but as more people speak out - it seems more and more likely) it is completely a career ender, things won't be the same from now on for her. The free ride is just gone from now on and winning back any form of trust will be an uphill battle. We shall see what her own pending respond on the situation will be.
She may have played her game well for so long, but everything always ends up being known on the internet, sooner or later.
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On that note, kudos for Silvervale to have kept her distance and played the safe game.
Clearly something was going on (which was the point of the thread from the start) but now we finally have plenty of answers to explain it.
But yeah, Silver's own document (added with all the others that keeps showing up now) will snowball Sinder drama by a ton.
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Sinder
Twitch 337k
Youtube 343k
The backlash have started in terms of subcribers, but outside of that and confirmation that Sinder is no longer showing as part of Mythic Talent (no official declaration on their part), not much of an actual fallout as you would have expected. However, the rrats coming out are still new, and Sinder haven't been so much of a controversial streamer in the past.
So the current traction on this drama/rrats may not even become a huge trend and that could explain why everything is still mid so far.
My money is that some higher ups (most likely Mythic, but maybe there are legal actions going on) are controlling the drama and prevents it for going out of hand beyond the individual public declarations (most of them are written documents btw) and from some reaction streamers to gather views. But we never know, as the fallout could be more severe as time went on and knowledge of it is widespread across the Vtubing community and beyond.
Twitch 337k
Youtube 343k
The backlash have started in terms of subcribers, but outside of that and confirmation that Sinder is no longer showing as part of Mythic Talent (no official declaration on their part), not much of an actual fallout as you would have expected. However, the rrats coming out are still new, and Sinder haven't been so much of a controversial streamer in the past.
So the current traction on this drama/rrats may not even become a huge trend and that could explain why everything is still mid so far.
My money is that some higher ups (most likely Mythic, but maybe there are legal actions going on) are controlling the drama and prevents it for going out of hand beyond the individual public declarations (most of them are written documents btw) and from some reaction streamers to gather views. But we never know, as the fallout could be more severe as time went on and knowledge of it is widespread across the Vtubing community and beyond.
My Apology
There’s nothing I can say to make this better, but I will try my best to properly convey my feelings, frustrations, and mistakes. I’d like to explain my point of view and apologize to each party affected.Redacted has been my co-content creator since I began making content, managing all aspects...
docs.google.com
Link to Sinder's response. From what I can see, she seems to have read all the documents about each Vtuber side of the situation and made an apology for each of them about her own conduct towards them.
So, is this document good enough to move on ? Hard to say, as it is mainly up for the Vtubers affected by the drama in question to decide about it.
Right now, it is just too early to say - mostly because they are many people still sharing their opinion publicly on the matter (most are less than good about the letter) as they all try to be on the right side of the drama, some are even trying to make a spin out of it and get more views for their own content or it is just acting as sharks that just sniffed blood in the water - the usual crowd reaction on Twitter.
This is the truth....none of this would have happened if nano actually had a spine is the real answer.
It's amazing from how many angles she's being attacked from.
It's amazing from how many angles she's being attacked from.
- first there's the whole sabotage thing, which destroys her networking options
- then there's the reveal that her manager is her boyfriend, which erodes her own paypig base
- and there's also the reveal that she cheated on her boyfriend, which endangers her own relationship
- Sinder commits suicide
- The ones dogpiling on her get their hands dirty
- Public opinion shifts and notices that the dogpiling was too coordinated to be a simple call out
- Now the indies get more drama
Well, the return from some among the concerned party about the apology came back quick and hard (and justified enough from their stand).
Btw, I'm putting those here simply because I don't expect Silver to give another official take on the matter than what she already wrote in her document.
Edit: And apparantly, some rumors are going around saying there is more to come. So yeah, I don't think this situation is going to quiet down anytime soon.
Btw, I'm putting those here simply because I don't expect Silver to give another official take on the matter than what she already wrote in her document.
Edit: And apparantly, some rumors are going around saying there is more to come. So yeah, I don't think this situation is going to quiet down anytime soon.
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Nah Nanoless is that fuckin' retarded dude. I don't hate women but women can be fuckin' dumb. Guys and Gals are equally stupid in various areas like how guys love thinking with their dicks.
Women can be shockingly spineless or open to suggestions. I believe Nano is a victim, but most of all a victim of her own stupidity.
I don't think this drama is over yet. I think she is deciding to go either full scorched earth by 1. Airing their dirty laundry or 2. quit vtubing by claiming suicide which will cause angry mob of viewers or fans to go target
Or she can try to salvage what she has left by continuously apologizing and continue streaming.
Or she can try to salvage what she has left by continuously apologizing and continue streaming.
Her best move is pulling a Keemstar or Jontron, which is either just keep streaming like nothing happened and hate will blow over
Or fuck off for like 5 months then pop back up
I really wonder if she'll try to take as many people down with her as possible.
This could be a nuclear fallout for simps, as she slowly reveals everyones BFs.
This could be a nuclear fallout for simps, as she slowly reveals everyones BFs.
Couldn't she just pivot into gamersupps fade into the shadows and go purely capitalist. She could just offer deals as always to kirsche, rev and any other youtuber that usually doesn't get platformed by the cabal and rake in the dough.
Sinder
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Youtube 324k
Confirmed this has widespread across a lot of content creators/reactors (even the feed keeps just rolling before you get something else), so clearly everyone is eating good out of the drama.
Surprise - there seems to be someone/somewhere ready to jump at Sinder's defense and to die on that hill.
Indeed, everything is still on fire and apparently not out of fuel yet.
Edit: someone decided to make a masterpiece out of the drama.
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Youtube 324k
Confirmed this has widespread across a lot of content creators/reactors (even the feed keeps just rolling before you get something else), so clearly everyone is eating good out of the drama.
Surprise - there seems to be someone/somewhere ready to jump at Sinder's defense and to die on that hill.
Indeed, everything is still on fire and apparently not out of fuel yet.
Edit: someone decided to make a masterpiece out of the drama.
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Silvervale
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Youtube 379k
Surprise - Silver have decided to move on from current drama and do her own thing, both on Twitch and Youtube.
By the way, Tuesday is usually not a stream day in Silver usual schedule, nor is streaming through Youtube.
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Sinder
Twitch 309k
Youtube 314k
Silvervale
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Youtube 381k
While the highest point of the drama is done, can't say the drama is truly gone, as numerous Vtubers (big and small - but now bystanders) and reactors are still talking about it.
In terms of foreshadowing, AI Neuro Sama prediction on Sinder situation is peek, followed closely by Sinder's very own recent song 'Smoke and Mirrors'.
Again, that drama was a great time for any small content reactor to gain some traction in their videos and themselves by talking about this dumpster fire within the VTubing community.
On the other hand, Silvervale and the others did receive a lot of new support as well a few days after the drama went out (the NIKKI concert the biggest among them). You can even say Silver finally broke her own glass ceiling in term of numbers and is gaining new traction - again. So, we shall see just how far this new rise will go for her.
On the matter of Sinder, rumors are going around that she won't leave her Vtuber personality behind, so there is still a possiblity for a comeback - someday. Sure, her numbers have dropped but not to the point it should be a career ender. If her financial situation is stable and she is not too much in debts, she still have enough simps to make her continue on that career path.
And to be fair, in the entertainement business, there are people who still got a career, even after being sentenced to prison for actual illegal actions / crimes. Sinder's actions were more on the side of 'clumsy/weird' than 'illegal' actions from the legal standpoint. Again, there are names of criminals within some Hall of Fames - so hard to believe her case is a complete career ender - but the word is used a lot by reactors about it simply because making a spin out of it just sell paper better than any other way. Journalism 101 folks.
Professionnally is where the true challenge lay, as she will have an uphill battle to prove she can be trustworthy in the views of other Vtubers for collabs, gain partnerships/sponsors to advance her career or artists to get new models (less of the latter as many will not say no to money - not with AI stealing their jobs nowadays). And some have started expressing a will to accept her again in the community (and got critised for not being 'angry enough' or even 'waiting for the chance to forgive' by some.
This drama is just a good example of the toxic positivity permeating within the VTuber Community.
After all, betrayals are mostly done by people with the friendliest smile.
Besides, it is just business. Business is savage by nature, and good businesses can turn even war crimes into events people celebrates.
Twitch 309k
Youtube 314k
Silvervale
Twitch 505k
Youtube 381k
While the highest point of the drama is done, can't say the drama is truly gone, as numerous Vtubers (big and small - but now bystanders) and reactors are still talking about it.
In terms of foreshadowing, AI Neuro Sama prediction on Sinder situation is peek, followed closely by Sinder's very own recent song 'Smoke and Mirrors'.
Again, that drama was a great time for any small content reactor to gain some traction in their videos and themselves by talking about this dumpster fire within the VTubing community.
On the other hand, Silvervale and the others did receive a lot of new support as well a few days after the drama went out (the NIKKI concert the biggest among them). You can even say Silver finally broke her own glass ceiling in term of numbers and is gaining new traction - again. So, we shall see just how far this new rise will go for her.
On the matter of Sinder, rumors are going around that she won't leave her Vtuber personality behind, so there is still a possiblity for a comeback - someday. Sure, her numbers have dropped but not to the point it should be a career ender. If her financial situation is stable and she is not too much in debts, she still have enough simps to make her continue on that career path.
And to be fair, in the entertainement business, there are people who still got a career, even after being sentenced to prison for actual illegal actions / crimes. Sinder's actions were more on the side of 'clumsy/weird' than 'illegal' actions from the legal standpoint. Again, there are names of criminals within some Hall of Fames - so hard to believe her case is a complete career ender - but the word is used a lot by reactors about it simply because making a spin out of it just sell paper better than any other way. Journalism 101 folks.
Professionnally is where the true challenge lay, as she will have an uphill battle to prove she can be trustworthy in the views of other Vtubers for collabs, gain partnerships/sponsors to advance her career or artists to get new models (less of the latter as many will not say no to money - not with AI stealing their jobs nowadays). And some have started expressing a will to accept her again in the community (and got critised for not being 'angry enough' or even 'waiting for the chance to forgive' by some.
This drama is just a good example of the toxic positivity permeating within the VTuber Community.
After all, betrayals are mostly done by people with the friendliest smile.
Besides, it is just business. Business is savage by nature, and good businesses can turn even war crimes into events people celebrates.
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You only post Subs/Follower, so I don't know about Views/CCV. Are they on a similar trajectory? Better? Worse? I'm asking, because one has to consider that most people do not unsubscriber/-follow and simply ignore the content until the algorithm gives up showing it to them.
Especially for VTubers, since you can be an ugly old plume and people can spill pretend that you are a smoking anime fox babe.
A fair point. Unfortunately, I did found that since both aren't in the top of streamers, the views/CCV aren't a good data to notice an actual difference among them on the short term - still good information overall tho. So yeah, very similar trajectory - not better or worse truly in that regard - you can see the difference yearly but again it depends upon where they were in their career than what I would call a true competition through consecutive years.
Besides, numbers can be tricky if not used properly. For example, Silver is doing poorly overall, expecially compared to her peak a few years past - however, does it says she isn't successful in her own way across the Vtubing community ? Therefore, in regards to Silver, while the average viewers did increase this week by 1k compared the past weeks/month, but not sure yet this can be an actual sign of a true rise from her ashes.
Another details beyond that theirs views while streaming isn't that much different - Sinder's stream 2x weeks later would get 60k - 130k views, while Silver's are around 70 to 200k as an average.
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