They will have to adapt, like everyone else who used this argument in the past to fight the march of technology.
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Your assumption is wrong, I'm using novelai to make things and so far it is more or less hit or miss but when it does hit it hits pretty hard. I'm guessing having a specific artist as a prompt narrows it down enough for the output to be better but lately in the past day I was getting frustrated trying to put clothes that a character doesn't normally wear on and it doesn't seem to work. When I try a more generic prompt it seems to work 70% of the time and that's good enough, I just increase the batch size to get the result I like. I guess you got to really know what the model is trained on to tweak it to really suit your needs.
Personally I need a list of prompts that the anime version of the model works with so it doesn't get confused trying to do something it can't interpret.
Nice! Glad to see another one playing around with it.
I need to update it but might I direct you to my thread on stable diffusion, might have some helpful info and I want to see others post their creations as well.
All the hatred I've seen of AI art is either emotional with incoherent arguments about "soul" and other empty descriptors or how it will make mediocre artists redundant and they're angry they can be replaced.
No one with actual talent gives a shit, do you honestly think someone like Raita, Asanagi etc cares? They will continue to get work whereas your average twitter artist will need to offer more to the customer to compete.
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Like 100 years ago, artists who were doing portraits or scenec view "What will artists that aren't mediocre do when their art will be completely captured by camera?".
Answer is simple. They will adapt.
Its actually pretty good analogy. Especially photography. Why would i spend time drawing a sword, when i can just snap a photo of that sword? Photography absolutely can replace artistic drawing in certain circumstances. Yet because photography can't replicate everything it didn't replaced artists, it only make the bar of entry higher. Same with AI, while it is likely that in next decades AI will be able to produce impressive results, it is unlikely it will catch up to good high quality artists anytime soon.EDIT: Also, your "blender", "photography" and all those examples are bad examples. The AI can replicate what photography and blender cannot and can also replicate blender and photography as well.
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Twitter artists hate it because people use it for memes and T'n'A, their primary sources of clout.
Except you can't "adapt" when the bar is above human capabilities. Even photography is hard to overcome, the only thing that didn't make it a problem then was that there's still some skill needed to be a photographer and you might not need "realism". But AI will be able to change from photography, to blender, to anime at the flick of your fingers, with extremely minimal "skill" (do you know English? Yes? The AI world is yours).
Art is pretty much all about emotion though, it's like video games and games in general, you use them because of a lesser necessity (you can get so bored of eating the same food, you'd rather starve, but "art" isn't the only way to stave boredom for example) but it's still more of an emotional one unlike say, food. Even in more practical situations (art isn't as important as food), it's the difference between being given something and working for something. You as a human being will not value what is given as much as what you have earned. It's the same with art, the more art becomes "redundant", the more it loses importance, and AI is making it redundant, more than the plethora of artists that exist on the Internet already do.
So "soul" isn't some empty descriptor as you claim it to be, it's just that you don't understand the context of its usage.
Anyway, yes, they'll soon give a shit when the AI will just copy paste their art style for free. Why would anyone pay Asanagi when their medium-performance PC can just be left on for a night and it'll drop him the best AIAsanagi art for their own specific fetish? You don't need a beast PC as you claim either, you fucking liar.
Same shit as above, you can't adapt against something that will always win against you.
No, it's not, you literally sidestepped the argument. Each one of those examples, like photography and blender, are their own category of art, their own art style.
AI just does everything above, but more easily and soon, will be impossible to be overcome by human ability.
Yeah, your prompts suck ass or something. The only issue with AI right now that are prevalent are eyes and limbs.
I get it, you guys hate twitter artists, but at least don't burn the house under everyone else too, you fucking apes.
AI isn't fucking magic, it learns from what we give it and make "guesses" when you prompt it, considering you can run through hundreds of seeds before finding a good one, it isn't smart enough either. No, the bar isn't "above human capabilities" when the AI itself is rather stupid. And no, it won't replace talented artists.
Did the camera replace painters?
Did photoshop replace pencil and paper?
Did blender replace digital drawings?
Did live2d replace traditional and digital animation?
When these were new the same thing was said about them, how they will replace X, and look where we are years later.
Can you fucking read? The hatred towards AI art is because it's accessible.
You wouldn't be sperging out if everyone has to buy a RTX 3090 to run it.
All I get from your posts is you want art to be exclusive, only those that can pay several thousand should have access to it, if you are a poorfag then go fuck yourself.
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YOu keep clearly showing lack of understanding what AI art is. It is essentially an eleborate Markov-chain. It cannot exist without artist at all. Camera did not replaced portrait painters. 3d modelers did not replaced sculptors. AI does not create original creation, it just copy and mix and match shit.
Let me correct you, The only issue with AI right now that are prevalent are eyes, limbs, any pose more complex than anything basic, interaction with items, multiple characters, especially in close proximity poses, any stylized shading beyound basic light shadows... List goes on.
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Just to drive the point home, here's is the last five images I generated, anyone who thinks this will replace artists is having laugh.
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"Hundreds of prompts" isn't in any way harder than drawing something from scratch and it does not take as long either. You're also speaking like the most shortsighted retard I've seen. Yeah, right now AI can't replace TALENTED artists, RIGHT NOW in this moment where the tech isn't in any way at any foreseeable peak. It's like saying "it's ok if nukes are dropped on Ukraine, the radiation clouds won't reach us in the US until very much later!", as if dying a tad bit later is a solution to the problem.
This idea though that artists should just die out if they're nowhere near some great artist from the get-go is retarded beyond belief though. I don't know why anyone with half a brain would think that's an argument.
It seems you are irreversibly brain dead. I just explained, you fucking idiot, photography is not drawing and it's not 3d modeling.
Not entirely, no, just like paperbacks are still used, they're not as popular and are slowly dying out.
This isn't even in the same ballpark as an example though, digital drawing needs extra hardware that mostly professionals or those that want to become professionals will buy. These AIs are only software and don't have any problem with your average PC.
Blender is again, another ballpark entirely, how many times does someone have to beat it into your thick skull for you to understand? Blender is 3D modeling. Digital drawing is not 3D modeling, Blender is also not photography, they are different fields.
The AI though, the AI can just do photography, 3d modeling, digital drawing and "traditional drawings" as well. It's an art style for it, it doesn't care.
Live2D doesn't even try to replace those fields.
The only reason some factories still employ people is because of laws, not because of the limitation of the technology. You people have no idea what you're talking about.
That's part of it, of course. If AI wasn't at the peak of replacing artists, nobody would care, obviously.
And yes, I want people to be paid for their work and I don't want an AI that just used pirated content to take down every artist. I don't give a shit about your NEED FOR FREE COMMISSIONS when you can literally open Gelbooru which while it affects artists, isn't a life ender for them. Yes, if you're one of those fags that needs free commissions, go fuck yourself.
No, I know full well how this AI works, I've fiddled with similar AI in the past.
It means nothing, there is so much material it doesn't even matter if all of a sudden artists stop drawing. All you need to do is train the AI on that already existing material. It's only the tech that matters in our case, it's like the difference between GPT-2 and GPT-3.
And it doesn't matter if it can't "originally create something", what you think is original is exactly that, a copy, mix and match. You wouldn't know any better unless you were some art critic and even he must have missed the other million examples he hasn't seen.
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Its an art-form, which never replaced portraits or scenic art. Same as designing eleborate markov chain, it requires its own skill set, to perform well in that field. As much as i care, AI assisted artistry will become norm at some point, and will be its own form of artistic craft.
Honestly so far only thing you provided is constant appeal to emotions "think of the poor twatter artists", and now this retarded take. "Current-thing". Slow clap. You are not as smart as you think.
AI will never be able to create without some kind of training input, its just a markov-chain. You fundamentally missunderstand the difference between human-artist and just a mathematical equation drawing around dots, it generated based on some calculations.
Clearly you don't if you think an AI that struggles with basic anatomy is "at the peak of replacing artists".
Fucking lol. Next you're going to moralize to me that piracy is wrong and you should pay full price for every single thing then subscribe to every single streaming service because its the "legal" thing to do.
In the free market and artist can set his/her prices however he/she wishes, all AI did is provide an alternative if you don't want to pay the absurd prices that are available, this is a correction to the market and how everything should work.
Should the gamedev that has no money pay hundreds of dollars for textures? For models? For art? If your answer is yes then I hope you only like games from AAA publishers cause not everyone has mommy and daddys money to invest in their indie game.
The same laws that resulted in those jobs going overseas by the way.
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ROFL, i missed this one through my bad skim reading. Dude, you are a farmer scared of tractors.
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wooooWOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOWOOOOOOO technological progress WOOOOOWOOOOOOWOOOOOwooooooooo
why wont someone PLEZ think of the poor horses who will be put of out work and be made into glue due to this
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Again, you dullard, this isn't "an art form", it's ALL art forms, it can do everything the others can, easier and with less input.
I've already told you why you're retarded with this take, besides the fact that your collective arguments have been that you're so very angry at a bunch of big prices on commissions which is laughable, kill yourselves, you're the one that brought this shit up in the first place, waste of oxygen.
Entertainment is completely different from growing or processing food, you can check the above posts of mine for why you're wrong.
You keep on repeating this shit as if it's an argument. I'll repeat myself since you haven't answered the point in the first place.
Again, you're a shortsighted ape. You'd look at a man bit by a snake and say "It's not that bad, he's not dead yet, it's just his lips that are a bit purple!"I would never do such a thing, you're very bad at predictions, crusty.
You don't even need to pay those prices, this isn't tomatoes you're buying, and you can get pretty much high quality art not only for free, but legally if you're thinking that somehow Gelbooru is gatekept or some shit. You're clearly retarded though, so maybe you do inject yourself with crushed paper and ink every day.
Just like there are commissions of thousands of dollars, there are also those that are about a few hundred or even less.
How about you acquire more skills or say, don't aim for art that costs you thousands?
No, you'd rather just put everyone out of their jobs so you can... Also be put out of your job because you and your neighbor can do the same thing now.
Oh no, I mentioned Ukraine and nukes, it's as if my analogy still works and you should kill yourself.
You missed that one just like you missed most of the post, you are not only unable to read, you're also unable to make even a proper point.
Yeah, why won't anyone think of the millions of jobs lost because of automation, I always ask myself that.post to scare imahnoob
wooooWOOOOOOOWOOOOOOOWOOOOOOO technological progress WOOOOOWOOOOOOWOOOOOwooooooooo
why wont someone PLEZ think of the poor horses who will be put of out work and be made into glue due to this
Then again, you're that retard that thinks appearances are the most important, so I assume you couldn't think of anything better with that shallowness of yours.
bro, I was just having a giggle and trying to lighten the mood you dont have to take everything so fucken seriously and personally
I dont really have a leg in this spat and just want to sit back and watch the fireworks but could not help but do a little shitposting. if I do have a take its that all your arguments are nothing but appeal to emotion with 0 real substance as to why these artists you seem to care so much about can't just pick up and use this new tech to their own advantage raver then just bitch cry and cum about it. as someone else said adapt or die
like if you can't tell that my post was meant to be a shit post and something you should have just ignored dont know what to say other than calling you fucken retarded lol
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Because you don't have a point, that why i'm not answering anything. Really there is nothing to answer. AI is a tool, you can use it and ride with the progress, utilizing your skills at max where it is applicable, or ignore it, like some cooperatives which ignored invention of tractors, and get fucked. Choice is up to you.
Yes, progress in industrialization, automation and farming, made millions of people forced to adapt and improve themselves to compete against ever rising pressure of competition, which caused scientific and societal revolution of 20th century. Oh shucks, if only we stayed ignorant!
Butthurt much?
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All you said over several posts is "muh poor artists gonna be replaced", we have provided examples of new technologies that were once assumed to replace an art form but didn't and how AI will be the exact same, you deny that and cry "muh poor artists gonna be replaced" ad infinitum. Artists like all professions will adapt, I don't understand why this is a bad thing.
Think of all the poor printing press people that lost their jobs because of typewriters.
Think of all the poor typewriter companies that lost their jobs because of the personal computer.
Think of all the poor people that had to write with ink and paper that lost their jobs because of the printing press.
Think of all the poor printing press people that lost their jobs because of typewriters.
Think of all the poor typewriter companies that lost their jobs because of the personal computer.
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Well at least people are presenting arguments instead of throwing insults at each other
Backpedaling like usual, huh?
If all you can say is "no u", maybe you should indeed kill yourself. I've already told you, there's a difference between the entertainment industry and other industries like agriculture and food processing, their goals are completely different and one of them relies on human emotion. These aren't pertinent examples, downie.
No, you did not provide examples because they're not even pertinent, photography cannot replace fucking painting because they're not even the same fucking thing, you dumb ape.
Why can't professions related to entertainment adapt? Because again, there's no way for them to adapt. It's not even difficult to understand, but you keep on ignoring that point, it's already a fact that several jobs have been misplaced because of automation and are only alive because of laws, not because automation could not get rid of them.
Yes, I believe extreme automation is bad, it's the worst thing for machines to monopolize entire industries because people then become even more replaceable, and unlike you, I don't think that we are the chosen ones.