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Windows 11 Announcements and News

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now is the time to jump ship!

DarkMahesvara

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Windows 11 specs, features, and computer requirements

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Requirements:
  • +2 core and 64-bit CPU
  • 4GB RAM
  • 64 GB storage (win10 only needed +20GB)
  • UEFI, Secure Boot capable and TPM v2
  • 720p 9” Display
  • Internet connection on first login to use an Microsoft account for Home version (Pro or Enterprise probably wont have that + a little less bloat and telemetry)
Making TPM mandatory means probably that BitLocker will be on by default. If it doesn't have a Backdoor already it certainly will get one now lol
 

Tamamo

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:satania-cry: I don't want to use Linux, I know it's good and all but the steep learning curve is so annoying.
I tried so many times and so many distros. But i got tired of the fact that shit that takes me 10 seconds to do or set up in Windows takes fucking forever in Linux if you're a novice.
Even basic shit like setting up typing Japanese (could not get it to work at all). Or samba's GUI being half assed so you need to reach for the terminal to make it work.
 

immahnoob

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I tried so many times and so many distros. But i got tired of the fact that shit that takes me 10 seconds to do or set up in Windows takes fucking forever in Linux if you're a novice.
Even basic shit like setting up typing Japanese (could not get it to work at all). Or samba's GUI being half assed so you need to reach for the terminal to make it work.
The mere mention of the terminal makes me want to throw myself off a building. :seething:
I'm not sure about Linux, but having used Windows for so many years, if I have issues with games, it's usually easy to fix it up, and from what I know, there are still many games that aren't setup for Linux.
I play shit competitively as well, I don't want any type of disadvantage to my gaming experience.

By the way, do you or anyone know if RPGM games work on Linux? I play a lot of shit from DLsite as well.
 

DarkMahesvara

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I tried so many times and so many distros. But i got tired of the fact that shit that takes me 10 seconds to do or set up in Windows takes fucking forever in Linux if you're a novice.
Even basic shit like setting up typing Japanese (could not get it to work at all). Or samba's GUI being half assed so you need to reach for the terminal to make it work.
yeah there is still stuff like that but often there are videos on how to fix these issues on YT.
I play shit competitively as well, I don't want any type of disadvantage to my gaming experience.
Depending on the Game you might have problems with anti-cheat systems not being supported on Linux. If its on steam you can check out ProtonDB if your game works.
By the way, do you or anyone know if RPGM games work on Linux? I play a lot of shit from DLsite as well.
They could work with WINE or PlayOnLinux if you don't like the terminal. For simple (2D) games you could probably just run a Windows 10/11 VM like virtualbox.
 

Tamamo

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The mere mention of the terminal makes me want to throw myself off a building. :seething:
I'm not sure about Linux, but having used Windows for so many years, if I have issues with games, it's usually easy to fix it up, and from what I know, there are still many games that aren't setup for Linux.
I play shit competitively as well, I don't want any type of disadvantage to my gaming experience.

By the way, do you or anyone know if RPGM games work on Linux? I play a lot of shit from DLsite as well.

From my experience Japanese games that don't support unicode (which is 99% of Japanese games because Japan) the text will render as nothing but jibberish (aka Mojibake) in WINE or Steams linux thing. Even if its translated in some cases. Some (mostly older) VN's also dont play nice and have erratic behavior like not going full screen properly, crashing, etc.
 

immahnoob

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yeah there is still stuff like that but often there are videos on how to fix these issues on YT.

Depending on the Game you might have problems with anti-cheat systems not being supported on Linux. If its on steam you can check out ProtonDB if your game works.

They could work with WINE or PlayOnLinux if you don't like the terminal. For simple (2D) games you could probably just run a Windows 10/11 VM like virtualbox.
From my experience Japanese games that don't support unicode (which is 99% of Japanese games because Japan) the text will render as nothing but jibberish (aka Mojibake) in WINE or Steams linux thing. Even if its translated in some cases. Some (mostly older) VN's also dont play nice and have erratic behavior like not going full screen properly, crashing, etc.
I'll suckle on Windows 10 some more until they bring up Windows 11, honestly. I'll see what the modders can do to fix Windows 11, and if they don't/can't, I might as well try Linux in the end.
 

Tamamo

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I'll suckle on Windows 10 some more until they bring up Windows 11, honestly. I'll see what the modders can do to fix Windows 11, and if they don't/can't, I might as well try Linux in the end.

I'm not too worried. Windows 10 has a fuckton of tools to beat it into submission. And its not like MS will drop support for 10 overnight when 11 is out.
 

Jahy

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Making TPM mandatory means probably that BitLocker will be on by default. If it doesn't have a Backdoor already it certainly will get one now lol
Can you provide more information about TPM, what it is, who might have it, and why it's a concern?
:satania-cry: I don't want to use Linux, I know it's good and all but the steep learning curve is so annoying.
From someone that has effectively made the switch, I can speak a bit to this a bit. What you are mainly using when you switch over is hands down the convenience. As @Tamamo mentioned in their post above, what you can do in Windows nearly seamlessly takes a lot more time and work in Linux to accomplish.

I think if you are a normal user with at least moderate technical knowledge, settling into Linux will still take some time but will not be as bad as people make it out to be.

Now, if you need to do anything remotely advanced, then yeah you're likely either going to have to bulk up your knowledge or learn how to scour the web where 95% of the results you find will either be useless or adjacent to your problem but too far to be helpful for your situation. This is certainly a headache, and I have to admit I feel like I waste so much more time just trying to use my system on Linux than I did on Windows.

You have to decide for yourself if the added privacy and inherent functional superiority afforded by using Linux is worth losing the convenience of contemporary Windows. Personally, I think it is, but it does make gaming a hassle. Despite all the people who want to shill about how "GAMING ON LINUX IS HERE!!11!!!1!!!" and keep invoking "Proton" like it was the name of the Lord, they're wrong. Dead wrong. Gaming is not anywhere close to being Windows-equivalent on Linux, and for the older titles as you and @Tamamo again have mentioned, it could provide an issue. Fortunately, WINE tends to do better with older software anyway, so it's really a gamble at that point.
Even basic shit like setting up typing Japanese (could not get it to work at all).
That's really strange to me, because I was able to get it working on my distro with very little issue (after the first time, at least). I do understand that it is much easier to get the Japanese IME up and running on Windows, though, and everyone's attempts to get something running on Linux can vary dramatically.
I'm not too worried. Windows 10 has a fuckton of tools to beat it into submission. And its not like MS will drop support for 10 overnight when 11 is out.
This is true, and I'm thinking it would be a good idea to have a thread that specifically talks about and shares these tools. There are two issues to consider with them, however:
  1. Windows updates can at any time implement new issues to address, reroll your settings, or reinstall whatever the fuck it wants, requiring you to constantly keep on top of these tweak utilities and ensure nothing is changed back in the hopes that the updates didn't break it in some way. Thankfully some might have configuration files you can save to make this an easier pursuit, but you also have to worry about the developers themselves updating their software and/or PowerShell scripts with every Windows update. They just don't have the time, resoures, or information about the operating system Microsoft does.
  2. Microsoft is basically in control of its own operating system and, given that it's closed-source and cannot be openly validated, covertly implement backdoors, rootkits, and all other methods of control that in turn take control away from you. I just never felt entirely confident that the methods I was using to gut the system were entirely functional because there's just no possible way to know for sure unless you autistically monitor all outgoing network connections and properly match them up to Microsoft and determine what the packets were in the first place.
Just don't put too much faith into these tools. I'm not going to outright call them a placebo, but as far as I know, even if you obsess over it, you can't really say for sure if you are gutting the really nasty stuff you're mostly trying to evict when you use them. Everyone has their own threat level. For me personally, I am tired of surveillance and am likely only going to use Windows 10 for gaming and other software I either cannot find an acceptable Linux alternative or just doesn't outright work on Linux.

It hasn't been confirmed hitherto in this thread, but I am also hoping that Windows 11 isn't made a requirement anytime soon. I was honestly thinking they were going to force it as a sort of service pack update to Windows 10, but I suppose that's not the route they're taking?
 

DarkMahesvara

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Can you provide more information about TPM, what it is, who might have it, and why it's a concern?
TPM is a chip inside (some) Motherboards used to store keys, passwords or other confidential data (secure hardware store). BitLocker can use it to tie your Encrypted storage to a motherboard making it impossible to decrypt it without the drives being connected to the motherboard. This is mostly used to prevent Evil maid attacks or just simple stealing. Making TPMv2 a requirement (which i doubt from a technical and business perspective), could make many if not the majority of PCs unable to upgrade.
Despite all the people who want to shill about how "GAMING ON LINUX IS HERE!!11!!!1!!!" and keep invoking "Proton" like it was the name of the Lord, they're wrong.
:seething: soon okay SOON! It really did get much better the last couple of years and i think a new Windows will only speed things up.
This is true, and I'm thinking it would be a good idea to have a thread that specifically talks about and shares these tools. There are two issues to consider with them, however:
  1. Windows updates can at any time implement new issues to address, reroll your settings, or reinstall whatever the fuck it wants, requiring you to constantly keep on top of these tweak utilities and ensure nothing is changed back in the hopes that the updates didn't break it in some way. Thankfully some might have configuration files you can save to make this an easier pursuit, but you also have to worry about the developers themselves updating the software with every Windows update. They just don't have the time or resoures Microsoft does.
  2. Microsoft is basically in control of its own operating system and, given that it's closed-source and cannot be openly validated, covertly implement backdoors, rootkits, and all other methods of control that in turn take control away from you. I just never felt entirely confident that the methods I was using to gut the system were entirely functional because there's just no possible way to know for sure unless you autistically monitor all outgoing network connections and properly match them up to Microsoft and determine what the packets were in the first place.
If you really wanna stay on Windows 10/11 i would recommend looking into LTSB (Long-term Servicing Branch) which cuts out a lot of the bloat, telemetry and many/broken updates.
It hasn't been confirmed hitherto in this thread, but I am also hoping that Windows 11 isn't made a requirement anytime soon. I was honestly thinking they were going to force it as a sort of service pack update to Windows 10, but I suppose that's not the route they're taking?
From what i have heard they will roll it out as a free update for Windows 10 users (like with Win10). I'm pretty sure they will keep supporting Windows 10 for the next couple of years until most people have switched. Most businesses still use it after all.
 

AK-12

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Windows 11 specs, features, and computer requirements

https://archive.ph/J0wMd

Requirements:
  • +2 core and 64-bit CPU
  • 4GB RAM
  • 64 GB storage (win10 only needed +20GB)
  • UEFI, Secure Boot capable and TPM v2
  • 720p 9” Display
  • Internet connection on first login to use an Microsoft account for Home version (Pro or Enterprise probably wont have that + a little less bloat and telemetry)
Making TPM mandatory means probably that BitLocker will be on by default. If it doesn't have a Backdoor already it certainly will get one now lol
> 64GB
Damn that's a lot of fucking spyware and bloatware.
 

NretsewThePerv

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TPM is a chip inside (some) Motherboards used to store keys, passwords or other confidential data (secure hardware store). BitLocker can use it to tie your Encrypted storage to a motherboard making it impossible to decrypt it without the drives being connected to the motherboard. This is mostly used to prevent Evil maid attacks or just simple stealing. Making TPMv2 a requirement (which i doubt from a technical and business perspective), could make many if not the majority of PCs unable to upgrade.

yea the TPM thing is something I legit think they need (should) walk back on. like shit even my laptop (ThinkPad T470) and PC (i7 5820k) don't meet the silly requirements they are wanting for what is basically a fucken UI refresh with a few fancy "features" no one was asking for

like shit, there are still businesses and schools out there still running fucken windows 7 on like 10-year-old PCs cuz why the fuck would they need to upgrade a work PC if it gets the job done

there is also needing an internet connection and a Microsoft account to even instal the fucken home ver of this spyware.

TLDR win11 has me like


("OBAMA YOU FUCKEN NIGGER YOU MADE ME A RACIST" gets me every time I sware to god)
 

TheHiddenPurple

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Windows 11 seems very interesting... although the TPM requirement is really a bummer since my laptop doesn't seem to support it.
There seems to be ways to get around the TPM requirement, but I wanna see if those ways will still be present in future builds and updates
maybe I could go to LTSC or return to Linux if 11 doesn't work well on my hardware
 

Fennec_fox

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yea the TPM thing is something I legit think they need (should) walk back on. like shit even my laptop (ThinkPad T470) and PC (i7 5820k) don't meet the silly requirements they are wanting for what is basically a fucken UI refresh with a few fancy "features" no one was asking for

like shit, there are still businesses and schools out there still running fucken windows 7 on like 10-year-old PCs cuz why the fuck would they need to upgrade a work PC if it gets the job done
I've seen already people using W11 leaked build and trying to install it on older devices and holy moly it takes so much fucking effort to do this shit. Do these people even realize that not only normies but also gamers (and other ppl alike) will have a fuckton of problems with this bullshit os???
 

DarkMahesvara

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Do these people even realize that not only normies but also gamers (and other ppl alike) will have a fuckton of problems with this bullshit os???
They hope again just like with Win10 that people will just accept it and upgrade. Guess we will see in the next steam hard/software surveys how that will play out.
 

NretsewThePerv

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They hope again just like with Win10 that people will just accept it and upgrade. Guess we will see in the next steam hard/software surveys how that will play out.

The problem is I dont think people are going to upgrade their systems just to be able to use win11 when win10 works well enough, this is not like the win7 -> (who the fuck even used 8) -> win10 "upgrade" that was easy to do and most people were compatible with so even normies could do it

if they are gonna try and force people to have to need TPM along with all the other bullshit and the process to bypass all that is some techwizz mumbo jumbo, normies (the market they are targeting) are not going to adopt it, they will see "this pc is not compatible with win11" and just stick with 10

It's why I find this move so stupid. I legit can't see a legit reason as to why they would need people to have a TPM module/chip when most normies are not even gonna know what a TPM even is, from what I can tell the excuse is some "security" bullshit but I dont buy it

TLDR most normies will be like
 

AK-12

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I did and still do. I you install startisback or openshell to get rid of the shitty start screen its a pretty good OS. Its faster and has better hardware support then 7 and lacks the ginormous bloat of 10.
I wanted to change from 10 to 8.1 but I just have the misfortune of having a shit AMD GPU and the last driver update was in 2017 for Windows 8. And I changed back to 10. IDK why I didn't go back to 7.
 

Deliberate Zero

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I did and still do. I you install startisback or openshell to get rid of the shitty start screen its a pretty good OS. Its faster and has better hardware support then 7 and lacks the ginormous bloat of 10.
While I wouldn't voluntarily use Win8, I spent a while running 8.1 and was surprised to find it was a perfectly good OS. Except for the hybrid interface that was supposed to be useful on phones, which so far has only been a pain in the neck for desktop users. I'm the only person I know who had a Win8/Win10 phone.
 

Tamamo

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While I wouldn't voluntarily use Win8, I spent a while running 8.1 and was surprised to find it was a perfectly good OS. Except for the hybrid interface that was supposed to be useful on phones, which so far has only been a pain in the neck for desktop users. I'm the only person I know who had a Win8/Win10 phone.
Well, like i said. You can kill off the hybrid part with open shell or start is back to have a perfectly functional desktop OS that is better then 7 in every way.
 
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