would you be willing to forget wokes/leftoids for all the damage they've done to the things you love/loved

salty_apollyon

varishangout.com
Patron of the Forums
for those who didn't see it in fedi i asked this question there and for good or for bad i got a lot of replies agreeing with me on this subject, however i still want to have a bigger sample to get a better understanding of how people see what i consider to be invasive parasites. so feel free to share this or add your opinon idk
1622496160178.png
 

Jahy

varishangout.com
Yes, but only if they actually have changed and realized the error of their ways, otherwise I would be too concerned they are just switching sides for attention or, God forbid, more nefarious purposes. It's also going to vary from person to person I think, and any sort of personal "forgiveness", whatever that's even worth, will be contingent on how much lasting damage they actually caused.

I know this is going to sound clichéd as fuck, but at the end of the day, bitterness hurts nobody but yourself. There's already enough sources of stress and anxiety in today's world, but if you have people who have since started acting with more respect towards something you enjoy, then allow yourself the ability to take that victory and start enjoying shit again.

Then again, this is purely a hypothetical, as I don't believe the overwhelming majority of wokefaggots can actually change, since to actually think the way they do takes such a deep level of brain rot that, for all intents and purposes, is terminal and likely indicative of their inability to view the world differently. It's nice to think drones are possible of change, at least. Keeps the mind sane in an otherwise insane world.

Just my two cents. I will say that for those who cannot forgive them, I completely understand and even empathize with the position.
 

NretsewThePerv

varishangout.com
Regular
f9b.jpg


but no for real the problem is you can never tell if they have had a legit change of heart or if they are just switching sides for the grift, you see this a lot with people who will switch from leftist to alt-right, their authoritarian thinking has not changed. the framework they used is still the same they have just moved other to another style

I think you have to look at it on a case by case basis, but always be ready for them to drive a knife into your back when they have a chance

it's not about being bitter or spiteful. it's about taking measures to defend yourself and the things in life that give you joy
 

Narbray

varishangout.com
Regular
Yes, simply because not ALL people who do something bad always do it with bad intentions, I think it is important to make people pay for their mistakes and nonsense, but precisely for that reason it is important to give them a second chance. Many of these people are dumb and think they are really doing a good thing.
but some people really do it with contempt and bad intentions, even many take it as a joke, these are people who simply cannot forgive even if they come and ask for your forgiveness, it is important to make them pay for what they did according to the magnitude. of what they did and only then can they be forgiven ... but the question is
How many of these people are there really?

It is not good to be harvested by hatred, if people really regret what they do it is important to know how to forgive them, it is also important to show their repentance, and as such a repentant person must respond and try to make amends. your mistake at all costs, and take your time.

So my answer is yes, but only if they recognize that they were wrong and repent by proving it with actions.
 

Cayhr

varishangout.com
Artist
Regular
Actions speak louder than words. Time and time again, the "wokies" demonstrate that if you give them a second chance, they will just revert to doing what they've been always doing. Though, an important distinction that has to be made for these bad actors is that they are different from regular people that mess up and then recover/redeem by demonstrating through their actions. Some may be redeemable, but most (if not very close to all) need to be kept out of our industries for years to come. Those that do redeem themselves have to be held under extreme scrutiny, and might have a really hard time recovering (that would be that person's fault for foresaking real fans anyway). A lot of people say that it's cruel to wish for a person to lose his or her's job, but in this case, we are not removing people from their livelihoods, we are removing parasites that DO NOT like the medium they are working on. You cannot honestly work on something you dislike yourself.

Take Anita Sarkeesian; she doesn't like video games at all (she admitted it on an interview), but she makes money parroting a false narrative that gaming (and by extension gamers) are sexist and mysogynist, and that the "deeply rooted problematic" gaming culture needs to be changed. Remember when she tried to get CD Projekt Red to buy her "counseling" services? CDPR didn't, but some studios certainly did. Over the years, her idea propagated with the help of the mainstream (entertainment) media, and it ruined the things we liked. We saw extensive censorship (at the source and post-release, look at Mortal Kombat 11's girls) and politicization of what should simply be entertainment media. Anita is an example of a usurper, not a contributor, because instead of making her own products and trying to persuade others through the art medium, she instead cuddles her way up to influencers and developers and perverts things from the production level. Same deal for people like Zoe Quinn, who still hasn't released her crowdfunded game, by the way, so she's technically scammed people.

And what about the western "translators" that bring all our beloved eastern entertainment overseas? Well, I think we all know what we think about them.

Actors like Anita have to understand that if they wish to make the change, then be the change, not force the change. Make a game that isn't full of those supposedly harmful, overly-sexualized women. And if it doesn't sell, or if no one takes credence to it, then that will be that; your idea was garbage. But no, instead they infiltrate and subvert communities and turn them into their political vehicles. These people do NOT deserve to be back in our industries, because again they are not contributors, they are usurpers.

Now in regards to giving people a second chance: In my opinion, the people that switched to or became prominent by parroting the woke ideology will be fully gatekept, and only a few will have the privilege of being held under extreme scrutiny. Their chance to walk back was during the first side-change to wokeness, but the majority doubled down. The "second chance" has been used up. Their decision shows us that they will ride the most spoken trend to gain clout and money. At any point in the future, the same people could betray you. Some may say a "list" is a bit too cruel, but it's simply how we as humans gatekeep our social circles/communities and keep them clean and free of infiltrators, and we should have our own lists of bad actors. Remember the people, the way they speak, the things they believe, and the products they've created. Especially remember people that virtue signal; as RagingGoldenEagle has said many times before: no virtue signaler is a good person, and no good person is a virtue signaler. It will be very hard to find exceptions. Don't support the individuals that tore everything down and betrayed their original craft/audience, and prepare to excommunicate them from your immediate circles. The ideas and creations that will flourish will naturally gain monetary and oral support, while the ones that will fail will remain un-financially supported or, at the worst, fade into obscurity. If these people want to redeem themselves, let them, but don't give them any help or purposefully hinder them. A good product will speak for itself. Then ignore the rest; let them REEE into the abyss about us abandoning them and being -ists and -phobes.

So no, I will not forgive, nor will I forget. Remember that the entire western comic industry was brought to its knees due to political subversion, and a good chunk of the gaming industry has experienced the same phenomena. Now that comics is dead, the puritans are trying to bring down manga as well under the pretense of sexism (see Gerry Conway, who co-created Powergirl of all things), and the gaming industry is tense with real fans worried if the next title(s) will be censored or not. Unfortunately, I don't know if everyone will adopt the harder stance and put the foot down when working on commercial projects (not just talking on social media). Not to say that we should be openly hostile at first notice, but we should heighten our senses to any bullshit and infiltration and stop it when it happens. Luckily it's not too hard to pick out puritans; if I work on a project that has sexy girls and someone that wants to help the project is saying we should cover up the girls to be less sexist, I'm going to outright deny the idea and reject the person, especially if he or she continues.

I will say though, I must thank the woketards. They gave me that small push I needed to pursue my passion in art (not just digital drawing; I want to make games as well). Here's to a future of indies and a new golden age of gaming and entertainment once all these parasites are evicted or beaten with the bucks good ol' free market style.
 

FunsLeaf

varishangout.com
Regular
"The rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal."

But more seriously, I while think it is important to judge people on a case by case basis, pretty much all Wokies have proven themselves unredeemable through their unacceptable actions and behaviors, and anyone who claims they have moved past virtue signaling will have to do a lot to even have a chance at any sort of redemption, and even then I would continue to scrutinize their actions until the end of time (or when I stop caring about them lol.)
 

Styner

varishangout.com
If on the low possibility they actually changed, then I'd honestly ask them if they actually have any respect or care for others and the industry.

But probably wouldn't be able to forgive them right away until they actually showed change.
 

Fennec_fox

varishangout.com
Regular
No.
To all these woke people I say, fuck you. You get what you fucking deserve and you'd better fucking like it.
I only hope that the artists and whatever other people who want to make content that does not appeal to woke normies and other people (or even makes them disgusted), will survive this bullshit and grow steadily.:konata-cry:
 

salty_apollyon

varishangout.com
Patron of the Forums
Actions speak louder than words. Time and time again, the "wokies" demonstrate that if you give them a second chance, they will just revert to doing what they've been always doing. Though, an important distinction that has to be made for these bad actors is that they are different from regular people that mess up and then recover/redeem by demonstrating through their actions. Some may be redeemable, but most (if not very close to all) need to be kept out of our industries for years to come. Those that do redeem themselves have to be held under extreme scrutiny, and might have a really hard time recovering (that would be that person's fault for foresaking real fans anyway). A lot of people say that it's cruel to wish for a person to lose his or her's job, but in this case, we are not removing people from their livelihoods, we are removing parasites that DO NOT like the medium they are working on. You cannot honestly work on something you dislike yourself.

Take Anita Sarkeesian; she doesn't like video games at all (she admitted it on an interview), but she makes money parroting a false narrative that gaming (and by extension gamers) are sexist and mysogynist, and that the "deeply rooted problematic" gaming culture needs to be changed. Remember when she tried to get CD Projekt Red to buy her "counseling" services? CDPR didn't, but some studios certainly did. Over the years, her idea propagated with the help of the mainstream (entertainment) media, and it ruined the things we liked. We saw extensive censorship (at the source and post-release, look at Mortal Kombat 11's girls) and politicization of what should simply be entertainment media. Anita is an example of a usurper, not a contributor, because instead of making her own products and trying to persuade others through the art medium, she instead cuddles her way up to influencers and developers and perverts things from the production level. Same deal for people like Zoe Quinn, who still hasn't released her crowdfunded game, by the way, so she's technically scammed people.

And what about the western "translators" that bring all our beloved eastern entertainment overseas? Well, I think we all know what we think about them.

Actors like Anita have to understand that if they wish to make the change, then be the change, not force the change. Make a game that isn't full of those supposedly harmful, overly-sexualized women. And if it doesn't sell, or if no one takes credence to it, then that will be that; your idea was garbage. But no, instead they infiltrate and subvert communities and turn them into their political vehicles. These people do NOT deserve to be back in our industries, because again they are not contributors, they are usurpers.

Now in regards to giving people a second chance: In my opinion, the people that switched to or became prominent by parroting the woke ideology will be fully gatekept, and only a few will have the privilege of being held under extreme scrutiny. Their chance to walk back was during the first side-change to wokeness, but the majority doubled down. The "second chance" has been used up. Their decision shows us that they will ride the most spoken trend to gain clout and money. At any point in the future, the same people could betray you. Some may say a "list" is a bit too cruel, but it's simply how we as humans gatekeep our social circles/communities and keep them clean and free of infiltrators, and we should have our own lists of bad actors. Remember the people, the way they speak, the things they believe, and the products they've created. Especially remember people that virtue signal; as RagingGoldenEagle has said many times before: no virtue signaler is a good person, and no good person is a virtue signaler. It will be very hard to find exceptions. Don't support the individuals that tore everything down and betrayed their original craft/audience, and prepare to excommunicate them from your immediate circles. The ideas and creations that will flourish will naturally gain monetary and oral support, while the ones that will fail will remain un-financially supported or, at the worst, fade into obscurity. If these people want to redeem themselves, let them, but don't give them any help or purposefully hinder them. A good product will speak for itself. Then ignore the rest; let them REEE into the abyss about us abandoning them and being -ists and -phobes.

So no, I will not forgive, nor will I forget. Remember that the entire western comic industry was brought to its knees due to political subversion, and a good chunk of the gaming industry has experienced the same phenomena. Now that comics is dead, the puritans are trying to bring down manga as well under the pretense of sexism (see Gerry Conway, who co-created Powergirl of all things), and the gaming industry is tense with real fans worried if the next title(s) will be censored or not. Unfortunately, I don't know if everyone will adopt the harder stance and put the foot down when working on commercial projects (not just talking on social media). Not to say that we should be openly hostile at first notice, but we should heighten our senses to any bullshit and infiltration and stop it when it happens. Luckily it's not too hard to pick out puritans; if I work on a project that has sexy girls and someone that wants to help the project is saying we should cover up the girls to be less sexist, I'm going to outright deny the idea and reject the person, especially if he or she continues.

I will say though, I must thank the woketards. They gave me that small push I needed to pursue my passion in art (not just digital drawing; I want to make games as well). Here's to a future of indies and a new golden age of gaming and entertainment once all these parasites are evicted or beaten with the bucks good ol' free market style.
man i gotta ask you this: are the massive tits you draw a reflection of the sheer size of your brain?
ok now that i got my tomfoolery out.
now you see i have a problem, the rational part of my brain fully agrees with what you say specially the part about not helping them but also not hindering in the case the seek for redemption...
HOWEVER every other part of my being craves to see these people get the wors possible end to their acts, maybe it's just out seeing them constantly pushit their bs down our throats, maybe it's the fact that hypocrisy and lies are painfully jarring to me (mainly due to personal experiences) or maybe it's the fact THAT THESE FUCKING MAGGOTS HAVE RUINED THE LIVES OF PEOPLE AND GOTTEN AWAY SCOTT FREE MANY FUCKING TIMES, it's probably a mix of these 3 and some other details but i can't bring myself to see these things as humans anymore and that's what worries me, cause i know im not the only one and i know that once you stop looking at the other side as people is when escalation skyrockets.
on one side i ask myself "why should WE stop when it's THEM who started this shit"" "why should WE play fair when THEY use nothing but underhanded tactics""
and on the otherside i ask "is it really worth going that low?" "should we really inflict upon others what we don't wish being inflicted onto us?"
maybe radicalization and escalation are inevitable at this point and we're just delaying everything in an attempt to grasp at an impossible fantasy, maybe it's like that but i still want to have hope
 

erobotan

varishangout.com
Artist
Regular
If they can reverse the damage then sure. Undo all of the censorship that they've done in this last 11 years (fix all of the translations, undo censorships, remove all of sjw elements in games, redo those ugly characters, publish games that're canceled because of them, etc). If they can't do that then they can simply fuck off. I also no longer willing to accept compromise such as option for censored/uncensored.
 

grapedApe

varishangout.com
No. Even if they helped us tear down the woke dystopia I'd still turn on them. Any remaining shred of forgiveness was eradicated when they decided we weren't allowed to have anything that doesn't celebrate their mental illness.

Hearing "there's too much fanservice!" complaints in response to just plain cleavage being visible (or they decide a popular nsfw anime shouldn't be nsfw because they want to talk about it to sjws/normies/prudes) and "There's so much gross loli stuff" in response to a 100% sfw moe slice of life (doujins of Chino or Renge existing doesn't change the fact they aren't lewded in canon) plus the tons of other normie targeted anime vs how much (loli)fanservice anime we actually get makes my blood boil.
 

Beginner

varishangout.com
Regular
Recent articles have popped up around Mass Effect about how the outrage over the ending was in fact 'Proto-GamerGate' and a 'dress rehearsal for the hatred to come'.
So to answer the question: I would be willing, but I cannot trust that they would be also.
Their terms for burying the hatchet have been, time and time again, "Adopt my worldview in it's entirety and denounce anything that would oppose it". In other words, their terms are "We agree that I win, flawless victory", A demand for surrender. The only coexistence they'll accept is vassalage.

I'd tell you to ask this question again when they learn to let go of their grudges but...
I suspect you'd be waiting a while.
 

translation gundam

varishangout.com
Regular
forgive and forget, I am sorry but I am not Jesus nor do I have Alzheimer's.
they have done so much damage and burned so many bridges, I have no mercy or compassion to spare for the woke types.
because they have proven time & time again they are people without honor, no shame & basic human decency
they are perfectly fine being bottom-feeding parasites that feed on the suffering of others, they are the worse of humankind as to offer.
as such they get what the fuckin deserve and any cry for help will fall on deaf ears.

in my personal experience, everyone I had ever given second chances to betrayed me in the end,
so even if these say they changed, they would have to go above and beyond the extra mile before I even consider the idea of forgive and forget.
what we should be doing is be proactive making our own shit, and gatekeep the fuck out of it. and if you ever have the chance bring the fight to them like
Nretsew the uncensored has.



Khorne_Berserker_Attack.jpg
3bdbfa683b4fbb52a212b916a52e6e40.jpg
warlord.jpg
 

Cayhr

varishangout.com
Artist
Regular
man i gotta ask you this: are the massive tits you draw a reflection of the sheer size of your brain?
ok now that i got my tomfoolery out.
now you see i have a problem, the rational part of my brain fully agrees with what you say specially the part about not helping them but also not hindering in the case the seek for redemption...
HOWEVER every other part of my being craves to see these people get the wors possible end to their acts, maybe it's just out seeing them constantly pushit their bs down our throats, maybe it's the fact that hypocrisy and lies are painfully jarring to me (mainly due to personal experiences) or maybe it's the fact THAT THESE FUCKING MAGGOTS HAVE RUINED THE LIVES OF PEOPLE AND GOTTEN AWAY SCOTT FREE MANY FUCKING TIMES, it's probably a mix of these 3 and some other details but i can't bring myself to see these things as humans anymore and that's what worries me, cause i know im not the only one and i know that once you stop looking at the other side as people is when escalation skyrockets.
on one side i ask myself "why should WE stop when it's THEM who started this shit"" "why should WE play fair when THEY use nothing but underhanded tactics""
and on the otherside i ask "is it really worth going that low?" "should we really inflict upon others what we don't wish being inflicted onto us?"
maybe radicalization and escalation are inevitable at this point and we're just delaying everything in an attempt to grasp at an impossible fantasy, maybe it's like that but i still want to have hope
I get your anger, but be careful not to go that far. That's not to try and take some moral high ground regarding humanity, though, because the perspective I offer you is that there is a more productive way of handling them. The best recommended approach I've found is: abandon/ignore them, and let them drown in their own misery and failure. Look at Marvel and DC, and to an extent Disney Star Wars, along with some other well known game and movie franchises; people are finding out they are happier cutting that consumerism out of their lives and it is scaring the SJWs shitless. For example, manga is completely shutting out western comics in a complete fucking landslide, and the western industry refuses to introspect. To our chagrin, we have to disengage what we loved and let them wallow in their own self-destructive ideology.

If they start messing with you, you put your foot down and maybe even profit off of them. The best example of this approach is YoungRippa59 or Eric July (author of the video I linked in the previous paragraph), one of my favorite political commentators who also sings for rap and other songs and is a fan of comics. The man monetizes (radical) leftists when they come at him, quote tweeting their nonsense, posting videos making fun of them (and having a productive conversation as a result of it), and talking about them on livestreams (resulting in superchat money). As a result, he never lets them ruin his business, try as they might, and he profits off of them. But he doesn't go as far as ruin their lives; their own ineptitude will do it for them, and he can focus on his business, thus maximizing his profit and efficiency of time spent (the latter is super important; don't waste your time trying to take petty revenge). You may have seen me mention RagingGoldenEagle (RGE), but he and I have developed apathy for what other people usually get upset at, because we realize that there are better things to do. Why get upset when that energy could be diverted to creating or subsidizing creators that will replace what was ruined? Going back to YoungRippa, he suggests to his audience the same thing RGE does: divert your money to the alternatives that you think are worth it, and we can change things. I think a good way to summarize it is balkanizing nerd culture, where the SJWs get their kingdom of virtue signaling and pandering, while the rest of us fragment into our own niche fortresses and produce genuine content. Natural selection then proceeds, as long as the other sectors of the culture gatekeep (and they better, the wokies will come after us). While it sucks that what we love has been destroyed, like a parasite, the SJWs are attached to those IPs. If the host dies and the parasite cannot find a new host, it will die, and thus that is how we have to treat these SJWs because the current hosts are more than willing to accept the parasites. It's a losing, exhaustive battle to remove the parasites from the current host, so we should just abandon the current host and create a new one. Of course, we are only successful if we prevent the parasites from jumping hosts, and getting upset all the time (at first is fine; I was too) isn't productive. Emotionally separate yourself and help plant the green grass of a new pasture while guarding it.

Don't get me wrong, it would be damn sweet to see them suffer, but we have better things to do. Show them the fruitlessness of their own labor. They ruin our hobbies in the short term, but we come out on top in the long term as long as we stay strong and play our cards right protecting our culture(s). They destroyed the things we love? Then we have to create new things to love and not let them get a hold of those new ideas/IPs. Easier said than done of course, but that long-term goal mindset has given birth to tons of new creators fighting back (like the aforementioned YoungRippa59 and RGE). In the mean time, a drive-by meme here or there pointing out the wokies' hypocrisy and watching them get upset is fun. I'm sure when real fans take back the culture, there will be plenty of opportunities to laugh and spite the parasites, but we have to get to that position first.

Also idk if the boobs I draw reflect my brain size, that sounds like a tumor. I'm just very observant, but otherwise, I'm retarded in many ways. :kekw:
 

erobotan

varishangout.com
Artist
Regular
Don't get me wrong, it would be damn sweet to see them suffer, but we have better things to do. Show them the fruitlessness of their own labor. They ruin our hobbies in the short term, but we come out on top in the long term as long as we stay strong and play our cards right protecting our culture(s). They destroyed the things we love? Then we have to create new things to love and not let them get a hold of those new ideas/IPs. Easier said than done of course, but that long-term goal mindset has given birth to tons of new creators fighting back (like the aforementioned YoungRippa59 and RGE). In the mean time, a drive-by meme here or there pointing out the wokies' hypocrisy and watching them get upset is fun. I'm sure when real fans take back the culture, there will be plenty of opportunities to laugh and spite the parasites, but we have to get to that position first.

Also idk if the boobs I draw reflect my brain size, that sounds like a tumor. I'm just very observant, but otherwise, I'm retarded in many ways. :kekw:
sjw crap has been going for 11 years and it's only getting stronger. I think they already win both short term and long term. Ignoring them will make sure that we'll never win.
 

Cayhr

varishangout.com
Artist
Regular
sjw crap has been going for 11 years and it's only getting stronger. I think they already win both short term and long term. Ignoring them will make sure that we'll never win.
We aren't ignoring them completely though. We are disengaging and building our own pasture, which entails a "dark period" where it looks like they own everything. Give it time and start investing in new creators. ComicsGate exists for western comics, and there are a bunch of new little indie studios and artists on the rise for gaming and other media. You just need to find them. And seeing as you have your own set of profiles on Pixiv, Fanbox, and SubscribeStar, you're also one of the creators like me. We only lose when on the real-world political side of things they take complete control, but that goes into a whole ordeal involving (physical) enforcement and whatnot, especially if you live in the US. The landscape isn't at that point (though, polarization and tension is high), so it's still a cultural battle.
 

erobotan

varishangout.com
Artist
Regular
our side is not swimming in money, it's very hard to get people to support our project. Only a few project will really take off and become famous, most will be unfunded or released with a lot of compromise because of lack of funding. Meanwhile sjws can simply throws a low quality/even scam project and they'll get thousands of dollars from their supporters. They also have those megacorporations whose propaganda filled products failed over & over again but still shows no sign of going bankrupt.
 
Top