Another Fucking Anime Database

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Halo

Halo

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That could be quite expensive on the DB
Yeah, that it would be. But that's what we call a "future me" problem.
I haven't even gotten anywhere near adding in ratings yet so I haven't thought much about it besides what would be nice to have, I'm still fucking around with the editor for writing comments.
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YakuistFleshavista

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Yeah, that it would be. But that's what we call a "future me" problem.
At my first company we used clickhaus (we had roughly 3mil new data points a day), but it's probably way out of scope.

As for the editor. Just bbcode (and maybe css) is enough. HTML is just too much of a pain imo.
 

JX475

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To comment on the rating:
In an app my previous company developed, we implemented a basic honor system. We had a formula for it, but the basic 3 points were: Age of account, number of reviews, avg. rating of reviews.
All users started at 0 "points" and would get smth like +1 per month, +1 per review, +2 per positive rating and -3 per negative rating. Also the company we made the app for could give/take points.

There were upper and lower limits from -25 to 75 and based on that a review would contribute less or more to the rating (a -25 was practically shadow banned, only adding 0.01 to the avg).

This system can still be abused (which is why you won't tell to the users, that it exists), but it's relatively simple to implement.
I agree with you and @Halo as a whole. This is a better idea, because on Anilist, it's still better than MAL with interface, features and even on app, but there is a lot of bad actors trying to influence overatted anime like Full Metal Alchemist and Kimitsu No Yaiba to the top and messing up overall ratings still sadly even on there. Implementing measures will prevent them from doing anything like this for VN, Anime, and ensure that actual good content makes it the top and be much more fair than just random accounts and popular fandoms using their influence to put themselves to the top.
 

Lusty Daicon

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All users started at 0 "points" and would get smth like +1 per month, +1 per review, +2 per positive rating and -3 per negative rating. Also the company we made the app for could give/take points.
This system can still be abused (which is why you won't tell to the users, that it exists), but it's relatively simple to implement.
This sounds very corporate, for lack of a better term. There's a bias towards positive ratings and activity for its own sake. It's also dependent on implementation obfuscation. Perfect for a commercial service, but not necessarily something more communal. Honesty shouldn't be de-incentivized, even if secretly.
 
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Halo

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This sounds very corporate, for lack of a better term. There's a bias towards positive ratings and activity for its own sake. It's also dependent on implementation obfuscation. Perfect for a commercial service, but not necessarily something more communal. Honesty shouldn't be de-incentivized, even if secretly.
I think you guys are putting a little too much speculation into a system I'm not even sure will make it in yet.
I appreciate the enthusiasm though.
Although I'd like you to clarify why you think this would create a bias for positive ratings?
 

YakuistFleshavista

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There's a bias towards positive ratings and activity for its own sake
If you base this on my example values, then it might be. These are however just that examples. The actual application I was referencing used far more fine grained values, since it takes some testing and calculating to create the right kind of bias.
Perfect for a commercial service, but not necessarily something more communal
I mean, I did pull that example from a commercially developed application to begin with.

But I guess Halo is right. There is no need to fully plan a feature that isn't even being necessarily implemented.
 

eldr

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hmm, maybe something could be put together by using third party software, there's stashbox which has a lot of the things being talked about already implemented (trust system and all that) here's an outline of how it works, the issue is that it's made for hard data only (so no reviews, scores or any of that) and it's not really designed with multi chapter stuff in mind, although there are features that would allow it to work like tags and studios

it also has a fairly robust API so if anything it could at least serve as a base to build upon or at least as a source of inspiration since it's an example of an open source, fairly successful community driven database
 

berkberkman

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I'm likely the only one who's wanting this, but I'm hoping for a better database for animated works worldwide - not just Japanese. There was The Big Cartoon Database, except that website is broken beyond repair. You can't even use the built-in search engine. The only other functional database is Animatsiya, but that's focused on Russian/Soviet animation.
 

GT865

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I'm likely the only one who's wanting this, but I'm hoping for a better database for animated works worldwide - not just Japanese. There was The Big Cartoon Database, except that website is broken beyond repair. You can't even use the built-in search engine. The only other functional database is Animatsiya, but that's focused on Russian/Soviet animation.
As much as cool as that would be, i think it's simply better to focus on one thing and topic which would allow for both the community and the website to develop on their own due to the smaller size and scope, that would make it a lot easier to maintain, but an idea of a international database of animation could be great and admitely i think there could be a better database for comics, not just manga but also worldwide as comicvine is a piece of shit that sucks and top of being owned by fucking fandom while the other one (bedtheque or whatever the fuck the sites name is) is entirely in french, the only good database that i was able to find was INDUCKS, which is focused on disney stuff
 

JX475

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I can understand the need for Animated works worldwide, but like @GT865 mentions it needs to be separated due to Japanese Anime, Manga, LN and VN's more of a niche that is easier to maintain, and for me I would say Japanese Content has been co-opted by Western Interests at points to rewrite things. As soon as VNDB allowed Western "Visual Novels" or "WEVN's" it has become annoying to search around the site, and it is flooding it with low quality Western Content and tons of shovelware as a whole that floods the page and you then need another search filter on top when searching for Japanese Content under the genres you wish to see.

The reality is when the Internet had Web 2.0 things were separated and I think the Internet was better for that at points because there was not a lot of crossover or forced mixing of audiences and crowds with tons of friction happening. I do think someone will make their own version of Western Media Database eventually though as there is renewed interest with Western Content and getting away from the Wikia's and odd Fandoms that keep getting co-opted to rewrite history and characters as a whole due to centralization. It just takes time for some people to figure it out how to innovate and make it work.
 

Alucardthegreat

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Agreed.
I can understand the need for Animated works worldwide, but like @GT865 mentions it needs to be separated due to Japanese Anime, Manga, LN and VN's more of a niche that is easier to maintain, and for me I would say Japanese Content has been co-opted by Western Interests at points to rewrite things. As soon as VNDB allowed Western "Visual Novels" or "WEVN's" it has become annoying to search around the site, and it is flooding it with low quality Western Content and tons of shovelware as a whole that floods the page and you then need another search filter on top when searching for Japanese Content under the genres you wish to see.

The reality is when the Internet had Web 2.0 things were separated and I think the Internet was better for that at points because there was not a lot of crossover or forced mixing of audiences and crowds with tons of friction happening. I do think someone will make their own version of Western Media Database eventually though as there is renewed interest with Western Content and getting away from the Wikia's and odd Fandoms that keep getting co-opted to rewrite history and characters as a whole due to centralization. It just takes time for some people to figure it out how to innovate and make it work.
Back in the day score systems and posting stuff under a database was deprecated, since a DB should be used just to search for information. So I propose to avoid that and have separation of concerns. Also Japan-made stuff only. Specialization works much better than trying to do everything in one place and the western stuff is often made super shitty on purpose to pollute the medium. Think furry or even the run-of-the-mill western "vn" with vanilla and college setting. That shit is a dime a dozen and worthless. No point in cataloguing trash. The new generation can make their own db for that. E-hentai has that shit already and wokies (or christian puritans?) are starting to give low rating and commenting under hentai. A place where you can just look up info without getting annoyed by any personal opinion would be ideal.
 

JX475

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Agreed.

Back in the day score systems and posting stuff under a database was deprecated, since a DB should be used just to search for information. So I propose to avoid that and have separation of concerns. Also Japan-made stuff only. Specialization works much better than trying to do everything in one place and the western stuff is often made super shitty on purpose to pollute the medium. Think furry or even the run-of-the-mill western "vn" with vanilla and college setting. That shit is a dime a dozen and worthless. No point in cataloguing trash. The new generation can make their own db for that. E-hentai has that shit already and wokies (or christian puritans?) are starting to give low rating and commenting under hentai. A place where you can just look up info without getting annoyed by any personal opinion would be ideal.
Agreed back on your thing as well let them make their own database for this because it's obvious it's not hard to make. I do wonder if scoring systems just need to go away overall and it should be a ranking system instead. Because I notice Anitrendz does it and it might be harder as a whole to rig it and not many people will care. I did not know E-Hentai had issues, but your reasoning makes sense that maybe there should be no ratings, or reviews, but more or less data and discussion around improvements for the site and features other than Reviews and Ratings.
 

Alucardthegreat

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Agreed back on your thing as well let them make their own database for this because it's obvious it's not hard to make. I do wonder if scoring systems just need to go away overall and it should be a ranking system instead. Because I notice Anitrendz does it and it might be harder as a whole to rig it and not many people will care. I did not know E-Hentai had issues, but your reasoning makes sense that maybe there should be no ratings, or reviews, but more or less data and discussion around improvements for the site and features other than Reviews and Ratings.
The idea is that most people are dumb and have the attenction lifespan of a goldfish or less (8 seconds). If you implement a 1 to 5 star score system a lot of idiots and non fans like feminist women are going to spam 1 star since it takes only a look at the tags and a single click. But if you do not implement anything, it takes going to social media or a forum and complain with a written text, which takes more effort and at least 1 minute of attenction lifespan, thus preventing abuses. Implementing any form of score system does not increase the revenue of the site either imho. So the best idea is to just deliver objective and truthful information about the content without any noise. Also if we want to map anime and VNs, I recommend to split based on the medium, but reusing the rest of the site as a template. What creates toxic hater bases is the abuse of centralized everything hubs with censored speech like social media, but those will be disregarded as dens of stupidity and lies soon enough due to rampant bots/ AI. Everything is too easy and too accessible on the internet, that is why the normies ruin everything. They have it too easy all the time. "back in my day" we had to buy magazines and hope for the best, things worked well.
 

JX475

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So the best idea is to just deliver objective and truthful information about the content without any noise.
Can agree. I think this is important. Along with making nice Modern Clean UI's and Search Algorithms that can surpass most Japanese things it would be amazing.
Also if we want to map anime and VNs, I recommend to split based on the medium, but reusing the rest of the site as a template. What creates toxic hater bases is the abuse of centralized everything hubs with censored speech like social media, but those will be disregarded as dens of stupidity and lies soon enough due to rampant bots/ AI. Everything is too easy and too accessible on the internet, that is why the normies ruin everything. They have it too easy all the time. "back in my day" we had to buy magazines and hope for the best, things worked well.
Honestly yes, it's what has caused issues is that sites were fragmented and on Webrings. I would propose maybe a 4ch style thing where each genre of Entertainment is it's own thing, but it still is on the site but shows a different web ring in the corner. Yes it can lead to some abuse, but it's easier to mitigate when VN's, Anime, Manga/LN are split from each other than created together.
 
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