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Discussion Does anyone have this problem with watching too much vtubers

ViolentNugget

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I think I might have gotten a bit too parasocial with vtubers I had this reoccurring dream where my friends went to a party without me and I felt down about it and in my dream, Nina is comforting me about it in a mom way not “mommy” but genuinely concerned about me, now the problem is that evertime I watch her stream there’s a small part of my subconscious that genuinely believes she’s my mom which makes it weird for me to watch her since is like I gaslighted myself into believing my parasocial relationship with her is real, I mean wouldn’t you find it weird to watch your mom stream as a vtuber, is been going on for a few weeks now with me dreaming about me doing mundane everyday stuff with her, I even imagined doing normal ass laundry with her, what started as a joke with me calling her mommy turned into a real thing with me not being able to see her as just a vtuber, the weird thing is I jokingly call Kronii my wife but I know is just a joke with Nina is different, a part of my psyche might be having deep-seated mommy issues, but you are the reason I wake up every day, I’ll still love you forever and always :D

Edit: I was unjustly permanently banned from a particular vtuber forum, so for the foreseeable future this will be my new home, it seems the admin on here is more open-minded about different topics
 
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Bingus405

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Firstly, rest in peace bro. Your clinginess was not accepted by the other simps. I'd give ya' a hug.

Secondly, I'd never really say this to anyone since it's a bit of a personal secret but I'll be open with you bros about it in the thread.

I /DEFINITELY/ had an unhealthy crush on Pippa when initially finding her. Chick was the perfect kind of autistic that I really wish I bumped into back in school. Fucked me up for a few days of viciously fantasizing about having a chick similar to her. The way I ultimately coped with it was legit? Digging up dirt on her to dethrone my impression of her being perfect (from my point of view.) Once I dug up dirt on her I chilled out and stopped obsessing. Stopped watching her that much too and switched to Tenma instead.

You definitely have a hardcore obsession going on if this has been going on for weeks. You have my sympathy and I don't judge you for being open about it. If I were to give any advice it'd definitely be trying to find dirt on her to dislodge your perfect impression of her or just stop watching for a bit. Alternatives would be leaning on an E-girl or the boys but I dunno how many bros you're close enough with to lean on closely.
 

grapedApe

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I've maintained the understanding that I'll never befriend any of these girls outside of very special circumstances I'll never fulfill (and gf is just impossible, no girl I want desires my fat ass. Knowing what Bae and Kaela look like irl, hell no they'd never give me a second glance) but I still fucked up and let fauna's friendship statement bug me. Haven't watched her stuff since, maybe never again unless its a Sonic game.

All of her "totally not-parasocial" defenders piss me off more so, "why did you become parasocial to the girl who regularly speaks about non-doxxing things about her life, does a bunch of cutesy shit and soft voices to make your let you guard down you creep?". I want to minecraft these shits in minecraft.

A positive? note. I did have a humorous dream about gura. gura walked into my local walgreens, I asked a walgreens employee to check up on gura because of her suspected ongoing heath issues and she literally looked like she was going to collapse, I was told to leave her alone when this was the only time I've ever expressed concern for her. I got angry and joined some kids in drawing some generic insults on her bike that couldn't identify me. Next day she's stalking me just to repeatedly insult me, refuses to go away and I can't get away from her no matter where I go.
 

Hexasheep93

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Honestly you need to take a break from watching vtubers, not just that one but all of them for a while. That is the best remedy to get you back to reality. Find something else to occupy your time, play games, write something or even just go for a walk.

I know its not easy I myself was into some sort of parasocial relationship when I was younger, back when the lets play trend was at its highest. It felt nice at the beggining but as drama started to come up and, well it just stopped being nice and it made me realize that this wasnt really healthy thing.

I know people arent gonna like seeing this, but I think is good for a youtuber to remind them of the true nature of things, yeah you might be aware of it but there could be many that arent and could fall into a dangerous dellusion.

Also this is not unique to vtubers, hell its not unique to the internet. How many stories of celebrity obsessed people exist, this is not a new thing.

Now while I might have been a little too critical. Dont think Im putting you down. I think it was good that you posted this and put your thoughts out there instead of letting them stew.
 

Narmy

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Nah I only really watch them when they play I game I really like, which isn't often unfortunately.
 

blackjack

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My problem is there just isn't enough porn and that twitch Vtubers that showcase themselves as thots won't do any acts of thottery to entertain us even though they already gave themselves that image. I jumped from Vshojo, to twtich indies, to phase connect and then to nijisanji. Dont have a desired hololive or idol corps members unless there is any good drama.
 

Nanodesu

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My oshi is a comfort streamer hikineet and *very* GFE but I'm too autistic to imagine myself in a relationship with her, the closest thing was having this weird thought while hiking through the woods: "Maybe I should buy Otis (her cat) something?" as if he's also my cat and my responsibility. That's about as parasocial as I got with a chuuba, subconsciously I probably think of the two of us as living together. 😓 As for her audience; being told good night by a handful of strangers in the chat every time I'm too tired to keep watching feels very nice. Like... an actual community? In real life my neighbors aren't polite enough to return good mornings so they don't feel like a community/my people.

Parasocial relationships can be cringe at times but these days they're necessary for lots of people.... sometimes even for the chuuba herself.
 

ViolentNugget

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My oshi is a comfort streamer hikineet and *very* GFE but I'm too autistic to imagine myself in a relationship with her, the closest thing was having this weird thought while hiking through the woods: "Maybe I should buy Otis (her cat) something?" as if he's also my cat and my responsibility. That's about as parasocial as I got with a chuuba, subconsciously I probably think of the two of us as living together. 😓 As for her audience; being told good night by a handful of strangers in the chat every time I'm too tired to keep watching feels very nice. Like... an actual community? In real life my neighbors aren't polite enough to return good mornings so they don't feel like a community/my people.

Parasocial relationships can be cringe at times but these days they're necessary for lots of people.... sometimes even for the chuuba herself.
Is only cringe if you don't truly believe in it, who's to say what is true and what isn't, Lying is just anticipating alternate forms of truth lying is the most truthful response one can give because no one can know for certain what the truth could be, accepting any form as the truth is in itself a lie, as long as you see your relationship with your waifu as being real, no one can tell you otherwise.

“Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder and sieve it through the finest sieve and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy….you need to believe in things that aren't true, how else can they become?” -Terry Pratchett
 

Nanodesu

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Is only cringe if you don't truly believe in it, who's to say what is true and what isn't, Lying is just anticipating alternate forms of truth lying is the most truthful response one can give because no one can know for certain what the truth could be, accepting any form as the truth is in itself a lie, as long as you see your relationship with your waifu as being real, no one can tell you otherwise.

“Take the universe and grind it down to the finest powder and sieve it through the finest sieve and then show me one atom of justice, one molecule of mercy….you need to believe in things that aren't true, how else can they become?” -Terry Pratchett
Huh. You have an interesting philosophy on truth, used positively it can nurture hope in a healthy manner and used negatively it can excuse all forms of media manipulation.

My thought process is different, for me truth has to be observed in people's actions not their words in order to then reach the level of subjective truth in my mind. For example my so-called waifu who lives on the other side of the continent would never find out if I dropped dead today let alone feel my absence, meanwhile I'd figure out that something happened to her in < 1 week and cry like a bitch. No matter how you slice it this isn't a romantic relationship, I can't schizo my way into consciously accepting her wife role play. Subconsciously? Rent free. Apparently. lol

Our actions speak two different truths, the only way she'd notice that one dude out of 90k was gone would be if I became a huge donor-I'm talking minimum 1.000€ per month-only to then disappear completely from the internet. Sadly I'm not made of money and even if I was there are better uses for 12.000€ a year than spending it on a woman.
 

Bingus405

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Honestly you need to take a break from watching vtubers, not just that one but all of them for a while. That is the best remedy to get you back to reality. Find something else to occupy your time, play games, write something or even just go for a walk.

I know its not easy I myself was into some sort of parasocial relationship when I was younger, back when the lets play trend was at its highest. It felt nice at the beggining but as drama started to come up and, well it just stopped being nice and it made me realize that this wasnt really healthy thing.

I know people arent gonna like seeing this, but I think is good for a youtuber to remind them of the true nature of things, yeah you might be aware of it but there could be many that arent and could fall into a dangerous dellusion.

Also this is not unique to vtubers, hell its not unique to the internet. How many stories of celebrity obsessed people exist, this is not a new thing.

Now while I might have been a little too critical. Dont think Im putting you down. I think it was good that you posted this and put your thoughts out there instead of letting them stew.
Hard disagree, entertainers in this industry have no business ruining the illusion to their viewerbase. Even the most creepy parasocial viewers know they'll never be with these men/women.

All the streamer has to do is be honest about themselves from the get go. Aka...

"I'm saving myself for chat."

or

"Chat I bang people."

As long as a streamer is upfront from the get go, there will NEVER be issues. "Saving myself for chat" viewers predominantly expect the streamer to not pursue serious relationships until AFTER retiring from streaming. It's why someone like Veibae is retarded. She stupidly said she's saving herself for chat (specifically, she wasn't banging anyone during her tenure as a streamer" but then thirsts for another streamer...which is arguably /worse/ than having a faceless IRL boyfriend.

Inversely you could just be like Buffpup or Layna and just tell chat you fuck/have fucked people before and not to get possessive.

What matters is honesty. Reminding people that you're just a voice on the internet is not an honesty that matters.
 

PhantomXero1x

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I never catch feelings at all for vtubbers personally because to me, an ewhore is an ewhore is an ewhore. If anything, the only vtubber content i consume is really the music especially if its stuff like Calliope Mori, has put out.

Lot of streamers like pokimane and also ironically i think the people who attacked projekt melody when she was just started to pop up so honestly i make it a point, not to supoprt hypocrites because now they catching onto the trend, and are using it to milk their simps money.

So you really have to keep in mind, that lot of these vtubbers truth be told hate otaku culture, as well as seeing everyone else as nothing but pure paypigs and that the games they play, yeah lol they would not know jack about the lore and are only just being paid to give a shit about the game as at the end of the day, without the mask of being 2d they just another onlyfans whore.

So yeah tldr, i can't really like vtubber culture because of the fucked up shit from both sides agencies and vtubbers themselves because of how much hypocrisy and toxicity that goes on there.
 

Bingus405

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I never catch feelings at all for vtubbers personally because to me, an ewhore is an ewhore is an ewhore. If anything, the only vtubber content i consume is really the music especially if its stuff like Calliope Mori, has put out.

Lot of streamers like pokimane and also ironically i think the people who attacked projekt melody when she was just started to pop up so honestly i make it a point, not to supoprt hypocrites because now they catching onto the trend, and are using it to milk their simps money.

So you really have to keep in mind, that lot of these vtubbers truth be told hate otaku culture, as well as seeing everyone else as nothing but pure paypigs and that the games they play, yeah lol they would not know jack about the lore and are only just being paid to give a shit about the game as at the end of the day, without the mask of being 2d they just another onlyfans whore.

So yeah tldr, i can't really like vtubber culture because of the fucked up shit from both sides agencies and vtubbers themselves because of how much hypocrisy and toxicity that goes on there.
I gotta contest your claim about the E-whores transitioning to Vtubing to milk their simps.

Firstly, you're not flatly incorrect. There's definitely chicks which did just see where trends were going and invested into avatars. Though at the same time it's worth noting that the Vtuber explosion has pretty much raised the bar MASSIVELY for all the women who do it. Previously the bar-for-entry was good looks and the willingness to put on make up and be in front of a camera. Nerdy girls never did this shit, too shy.

Now? Any chick who's got about ~400$ and standard issue streaming equipment/internet can start streaming. I'd honestly say a lot of the classic Twitch-Titty-Streamers actually got bred out by the rise of Vtubers. Vtubers gotta really entertain their audience between the thottiness or rely on colleagues to bounce thotty comments off of. Most Twitch-Titty-Streamers honestly just switched to Onlyfans too, like Icuccckz' girlfriend.

The thotty shit you see from Vtubers is more a condition of Western Women as a whole being perverts.
 

Hexasheep93

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Hard disagree, entertainers in this industry have no business ruining the illusion to their viewerbase. Even the most creepy parasocial viewers know they'll never be with these men/women.
And what makes you so sure of that. You and I have been in the internet long enough to know that there are all sorts of weirdos.

And honestly I see no point in there being and "illusion" in the first place. Like the whole asmr roleplay stuff ok Its just a video I guess.

But when you carry on the "act" for an extended period of time and are actively encouraging false hopes, then Im sorry but I really fail to see how that is not harmful.
All the streamer has to do is be honest about themselves from the get go. Aka...

"I'm saving myself for chat."

or

"Chat I bang people."

As long as a streamer is upfront from the get go, there will NEVER be issues. "Saving myself for chat" viewers predominantly expect the streamer to not pursue serious relationships until AFTER retiring from streaming. It's why someone like Veibae is retarded. She stupidly said she's saving herself for chat (specifically, she wasn't banging anyone during her tenure as a streamer" but then thirsts for another streamer...which is arguably /worse/ than having a faceless IRL boyfriend.

Inversely you could just be like Buffpup or Layna and just tell chat you fuck/have fucked people before and not to get possessive.

What matters is honesty. Reminding people that you're just a voice on the internet is not an honesty that matters.
and how is this any different from them discouraging parasocial relationships. I feel you are contradicting yourself a little here.

Also that whole "saving yourself for chat" jusst sounds like idol bs to me
 

Bingus405

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And what makes you so sure of that. You and I have been in the internet long enough to know that there are all sorts of weirdos.

And honestly I see no point in there being and "illusion" in the first place. Like the whole asmr roleplay stuff ok Its just a video I guess.

But when you carry on the "act" for an extended period of time and are actively encouraging false hopes, then Im sorry but I really fail to see how that is not harmful.

and how is this any different from them discouraging parasocial relationships. I feel you are contradicting yourself a little here.

Also that whole "saving yourself for chat" jusst sounds like idol bs to me
"Saving myself for chat" is a decently common thing among Vtubers due to their close relationship to Idol culture. It's the defining mark for parasocial vtubers and it's really what made Ruchia the parasocial Queen of Hololive. At the time of her termination? If I recall right she was Hololive's top earner in terms of donations. Hell the whole reason she got terminated is because she burnt her career at Hololive in a mad-dash to disrupt/dismiss the rumors she was trying to seek a relationship with a coworker despite her claims on stream. Aka cheating-on-chat.

Ironically enough her efforts got rewarded because the most passionate of her fanbase stuck with her when she debuted again. She flat out admits and defends parasocial viewers to this day as a result. Aka "It's them who stuck with me at my lowest."

The issue is that aside from Ruchia, it's hard to think up any immediate other girls from my end which spout that out loud and take it as seriously. I know for a fact Veibae said it circa... 2021 I think? But nowadays she's Sodapoppin's girlfriend which explained why everyone on /vt/ despises her. You claim to be Chat's GF or at the very least not having a boyfriend while depending on donations from chat, you either stick to it or get flamed for eternity.


As for the bit about illusions. Illusions are hella important when you're in this type of career. It need not even be an illusion always! If I was a streamer it'd be genuinely honest of me to say I'd love to be friends with all of my viewers- just it isn't really plausible since I wouldn't have the necessary time to give them all a meaningful friendship. Isn't even an illusion for bros who'd potentially support me to think I'm their friend.

The difference when you flat out say stuff like that is it completely destroys any chance a viewer might've had in viewing you as someone they'd get along with. It terminates the foundation needed for a lot of people to donate to streamers too.

In my eyes there's honestly two types of donators. At least these two types make up the mass majority of them.

The "Tipper" - Makes a decent living or has plenty of spare cash. Throws it at their preferred entertainers in believing it's right to pay them for the entertainment they've received.

The "Provider" - Be it wealthy or in poverty, this person throws cash regardless of personal situation. For them donating to their favorite entertainer is akin to that of supporting a family member, offspring, or even romantic partner. They do it because if they don't- their entertainer will suffer and they don't want them to suffer.

An example I can think of for the "Provider" was the Silvervale paypig who wrote out that google-doc on her. Dude dumped like 8,000$ or some shit onto her in the span of a year and we all know his ass could NOT afford that shit from the month he started. Guy definitely began doing it on the basis of wanting to provide for her.


It's honestly possible to have a sanctimonious relationship with a horde of providers. It's something again that Ruchia accomplished more or less. Back at Hololive she was THE Girlfriend-Experience Vtuber. I know way less about her current time as Nazuna but based off the comments she's made about her most passionate fans and defending parasocial viewership? She's still going strong with it. Having a parasocial crowd requires you to really dedicate yourself TO your viewerbase. Which...ironically enough? Is something streamers legitimately do already. Streamers spend more time streaming than they do if they just worked a regular job and end up having less time for regular life-activities as a result. Only difference with parasocial-centric followings is there's an inherently sexual/sensual undertone to it all. As well as I suppose the fact chat won't support you picking up a partner. (This applies to dudes too if they've got enough women following them. Sodapoppin had a colony of femcels following him which weren't happy about Vei.
 

Nanodesu

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I'm with Bingus on this one. If I was a vtuber there's no way I wouldn't become super attached/clingy to my audience like Rushia has, especially if they were paying my bills and supporting me emotionally during menhera moments. Out of genuine gratitude I'd keep the "together forever uwu chat <3" illusion going until graduation.
 
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