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blackjack

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Wait a sec. They doxxed Pika? I thought she kept herself pretty well hidden.
probably meant the harrassment on twitter, but based on how much time I randomly spend on that website I was there when it did go down for like 6 hours. There are still frequent posts of anonymous users posting doxx information of 4chan moderators and janitors.

Edit: someone blew 1000s of dollars again.

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blackjack

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Yeah.....I dont think she is joining Vshojo despite Nux being on good terms with Zen and KSON.
 

Narmy

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She may still comeback as an independent VTuber.
It's not like she was fired like Rushia or embroiled in a huge controversy like Coco, so it wouldn't make sense for her to leave and then come back independent. There was nothing stopping her from just staying where she was.
 

Cayhr

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AlmightyLoli made an hour-long video about the Hogwarts Legacy controversy.
Everything from the trans activist hate campaign and gaslighting attempts to YouTubers and journalists downplaying the hate mobbing
as well as the harassment of Silvervale and Pikamee.
Silvervale (and I think pretty much the majority of VShoujo) was on board with the "social justice" crowd somewhere from the very beginning. Maybe not overtly and as part of their branding, but from what I remember, they endorsed these people, and it slowly crept up on them. I remember seeing a long time ago the VShoujo side of the vtubing sphere tweeted out or at least said some kind of endorsement for the usual talking points that aligned with the LGBT talking points (at the time I think we were still on the feminism and LGB-without-the-T phase, or we were entering the T phase). Mind you, I literally never get any vshoujo accounts or related content on my feeds, so this was probably a clip. I genuinely believe people are just afraid of being cancelled, and maybe the VShoujo or Silvervale-herself endorsement I saw a long time ago was something they thought would just be a innocuous statement to get the mob off their back. This is a pretty common tactic when you are trying to appeal to a clearly hostile entity, whether it is concrete or nebulous, by dropping small bits of their talking points to hopefully make them not consider you a target. In my opinion, Silvervale had the nerve to call the very loud and very dense mob of trans rights activists (the TRA's ) the very appropriate name "Twitter Freaks" because she finally realized what kind of monster was being courted. The emotional response (appropriate for an emotionally charged situation) she mustered while crying on stream was... FREAKS. She could have picked a more offensive word, but... the mundanity of "freak" has its own punch. Only until the mob comes for you, do you support them out of fear of social retribution.

Most people, I think, are convinced that it's only a few bad apples. However, I think the Hogwarts Legacy situation (particularly Silvervale's harassment and especially Pikamee's graduation) plus the Nashville shooting by miss Audrey Hale is starting to wake up normies. It's not just a few. I personally know a few people who are still running defense for the TRA's because they are personally friends with some people that identify as trans, which is a predictably reasonable thing to do. However, I am of the opinion that no principles have been truly tried and challenged to really get at the heart of this problem, and people are going along with it to try and not step on any toes. Letting people be themselves is no longer the case when they and many others like them start to force and enforce their politics and ideologies onto you. Compelling speech, coercing action, and even bullying into submission. That's where we went wrong; no one told the trannies to STOP making everything about themselves... or at the least, only a few did and were silenced. That, or many people did but no concrete action was taken to maintain our control over our hobbies. I've been against the whole social justice (and especially trans) thing since the first phase with feminism watering down my hobbies, and now it's worse with every character needing to be non-binary or trans (see Shiver from Splatoon, Bridget from Guilty Gear particularly Strive, and Chihiro from Danganronpa). Go quarantine yourselves in the ValiDate "community," please.

Something I've been thinking about regarding the idea that the Hogwarts Legacy debacle was "only a few bad apples" is: Without receipts, how do you rhetorically challenge that idea? Well, it's quite simple: it is the responsibility of the "trans community" to purge those bad apples. Why is it the responsibility of the trans community to police their own? After all, it's not fair that someone has to be responsible for the bad actions of someone else. However, that's naive and selfish. Use their points against them: We're just trying to be ourselves and you guys hate us for what a few bad ones are doing! Well guess what, the "trans commuinty" is the real estate that the trans community and those few bad actors share stake in. You cannot proudly walk around and claim to be a part of a community if you are not going to try and preserve it, because everyone else is simply responding to the offenses of your community. The burden of proof to disprove how poorly everyone looks at your community is on you... not the responding agency. Jim Sterling is right: "Cis people's feelings are not our responsibility." But the opposite is also true: "Trans people's feelings are not our responsibility." Prove to us that the mass harassment and cancellation campaigns by the TRA mob was just a few bad actors. Neither me nor you reading this thread is ever responsible -and never will be- for refusing to validate their existences. But, well, I think we know the real answer to whether it's just a few bad actors or not.

One of the benefits of being a formless group (like the TRA's) is that you cannot really be attacked. For every Keffals, there are probably hundreds more that are just your every day Discord grooming-server-goer that you don't keep track of at a high profile. The downside is that they rely on behaving like a hivemind, but humans are not a hive mentality, so we found many conflicting narratives being put out during Pikamee's harassment. "It didn't happen", "the transphobes deserved it", or "it was a right-wing psyop". Either it happened or it didn't happen.

Also seriously, I think it's a great disservice to just say "Pikamee was already planning to graduate." Multiple things can be true, you know? She was already planning to graduate at the start of 2023, but wasn't sure when. Combine someone with less mental fortitude, a history of bullying, and an existing 2 years of regular harassment (including death threats), and you get someone that is susceptible to a "final straw" situation. By the way, I am not saying that in an insulting way to Pikamee; some people are bad at handling stress. I mean, even Silvervale cried, and I think we can all agree in terms of disagreeability she is much more disagreeable than Pikamee, yet Silvervale still cried from the onset of harassment.

This is a turning point in our cultural history, and to think it all happens by tying together a kid's game about wizards, anime girls, and a school shooter.

As a reminder, the narcissist's prayer (with respect to Pikamee).

That didn't happen. > They literally denied it.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad. > It was like one or two bad apples.
And if it was, that's not a big deal. > She was going to graduate anyway.
And if it is, that's not my fault. > It was a right-wing op.
And if it was, I didn't mean it. > I was just trying to educate people about not supporting transphobia.
And if I did, you deserved it. > You are a transphobic bigot.

P.S.: god damn transphobia is such a meaningless word. Even before now, it was never an irrational fear, it's concrete recognition of a hostile entity.
 

Exoskull Zero RX-78-2

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Okay so outta fucking nowhere ShortFatOtaku started slandering Pikamee in his video addressing the Bud Light situation,
downplaying the harassment she received and calling her weak for leaving the internet.

Many online started roasting him and even his own audience started turning on him, dude just keeps
doubling down on his terrible take.

Okay, now he's saying she wasen't bullied at all and was always planning on graduating.
What a fucking clown.
 

Narmy

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Okay so outta fucking nowhere ShortFatOtaku started slandering Pikamee in his video addressing the Bud Light situation,
downplaying the harassment she received and calling her weak for leaving the internet.

Many online started roasting him and even his own audience started turning on him, dude just keeps
doubling down on his terrible take.

Okay, now he's saying she wasen't bullied at all and was always planning on graduating.
What a fucking clown.
I do agree that it is weak to give in to the tranny hate mob though. They only have power because people give them power by caving to their demands.
 

yu-gen

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Silvervale (and I think pretty much the majority of VShoujo) was on board with the "social justice" crowd somewhere from the very beginning. Maybe not overtly and as part of their branding, but from what I remember, they endorsed these people, and it slowly crept up on them. I remember seeing a long time ago the VShoujo side of the vtubing sphere tweeted out or at least said some kind of endorsement for the usual talking points that aligned with the LGBT talking points (at the time I think we were still on the feminism and LGB-without-the-T phase, or we were entering the T phase). Mind you, I literally never get any vshoujo accounts or related content on my feeds, so this was probably a clip. I genuinely believe people are just afraid of being cancelled, and maybe the VShoujo or Silvervale-herself endorsement I saw a long time ago was something they thought would just be a innocuous statement to get the mob off their back. This is a pretty common tactic when you are trying to appeal to a clearly hostile entity, whether it is concrete or nebulous, by dropping small bits of their talking points to hopefully make them not consider you a target. In my opinion, Silvervale had the nerve to call the very loud and very dense mob of trans rights activists (the TRA's ) the very appropriate name "Twitter Freaks" because she finally realized what kind of monster was being courted. The emotional response (appropriate for an emotionally charged situation) she mustered while crying on stream was... FREAKS. She could have picked a more offensive word, but... the mundanity of "freak" has its own punch. Only until the mob comes for you, do you support them out of fear of social retribution.
This is what happens when you have an open gate attitude towards your community. Bad faith actors can enter any time they want, which I'm sure they realize now considering the absolute meltdown surrounding that stupid fucking Harry Potter game. It's insane to me that people think it's okay to just destroy someone's career because they streamed a game. Opinions on VShojo and Silvervale aside this whole situation might be the most insane wave of vicious hate I've ever seen coming from the TRA crowd, made even worse with the Pikamee situation getting the attention of the Twitter normalfags.
 

ninja8tyu

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This is what happens when you have an open gate attitude towards your community. Bad faith actors can enter any time they want, which I'm sure they realize now considering the absolute meltdown surrounding that stupid fucking Harry Potter game. It's insane to me that people think it's okay to just destroy someone's career because they streamed a game. Opinions on VShojo and Silvervale aside this whole situation might be the most insane wave of vicious hate I've ever seen coming from the TRA crowd, made even worse with the Pikamee situation getting the attention of the Twitter normalfags.
honestly i'd say i have an open gate attitude toward whatever little community i'm fostering to the point i'll kick the fuck outta anyone who tries to say some people shouldn't be allowed in there

most people who're "open to all" just means they're a queen of spades, and given the personalities of all those who have those attitudes, and how they've backstabbed, stolen, threatened, etc, i'm not wrong

apparently BBC so good, it's enough to justify genocide on everyone else

even better if the BBC comes from someone who dresses like a girl and/or is as white as the sand in the desert during summer wearing make-up that makes poisonous species envy in color saturation
 

Bingus405

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honestly i'd say i have an open gate attitude toward whatever little community i'm fostering to the point i'll kick the fuck outta anyone who tries to say some people shouldn't be allowed in there

most people who're "open to all" just means they're a queen of spades, and given the personalities of all those who have those attitudes, and how they've backstabbed, stolen, threatened, etc, i'm not wrong

apparently BBC so good, it's enough to justify genocide on everyone else

even better if the BBC comes from someone who dresses like a girl and/or is as white as the sand in the desert during summer wearing make-up that makes poisonous species envy in color saturation
I'd say Gate-Keeping is perhaps the most important part of Natural Selection among pretty much every single species to ever exist. Ever.

Historically speaking anytime a species fails to Gate-Keep properly it lowers its chances of survival and you've had Parasite Species develop tactics explicitly to infiltrate and exploit prey species for their own gain. (There is a FUCK TON of Avian species which make use of dropping their eggs in other Species' nests.)

Gate-keeping is the only way to ensure quality of the community, species, party, friend group, doesn't really matter the size of the unit in question.

It's exactly for this reason that Western Transgender Activists are going to be erased and forgotten within a decade. The movement is already totally out of control and there is 0 effort from within the community to actually fix it. Anyone sane within the community just leaves it the moment they pass and those who remain/are in charge are fucking insane and make it worse. Troons aren't exclusive to the West yet it's only in the West you see this level of lunacy. Troons have existed for awhile down in South East Asia and they've managed to pretty much co-exist peacefully and fill in weird niches. There isn't mandatory Troon-education in places like Thailand which are infamous for Lady-Boys and Alternative-Gender escorts. But I'm ranting at this point.


Tldr; Gatekeeping is vital. No gatekeeping? You get the literal dregs entering whatever you have goin'. Movement, Party, Community, etc.


Ironically speaking, Wizard game was the first time I can confidently say the Troons ACTUALLY tried to Gate-keep their community. Too bad it was one of the most fucking stupid hills for them to kill themselves on and it was practically the worst thing FOR them to unite over.

I don't know what the fuck it is about JK Rowling that riles the troons up like this. Literally nobody else is Universally hated THAT much by them. Not even Trump.
 

VidMasterEon

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Do not let these people get away with trying to excuse their behavior with the "she came back after all" horse shit
This isnt just about pimamee, it is putting them in their place, making sure nothing like this ever happens to anyone ever again
No quarter
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As we speak the troons are spinning that they dindu nuthin while also slandering her as a pedo
(Lol at the "flaming tofu" marker)
 

PatioRama

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"Chasing muh bag" is the convenient scapegoat they're doing right now. Just because wizard game may or may not have had an impact on her graduation doesn't mean the behavior was justified. Also its implying she's just greedy and never cared for anything but attention and money. World isn't that black and white but I guess some people will never learn that.

(Also a lot of the anti-loli copers are those who go 'muh wholesome' with Vocaloid and Touhou which is hilarious in my opinion)
 

ninja8tyu

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i was gonna see how painful it was gonna be doing another count and some dick-mutilating faggot decided to put child rape in the fucking quote retweets

i don't need fucking stats, one fucking child rapist is enough for my shit

hang 'em all, raise their suicide rates to 999

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creneper

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as much as trannys are 90% of the people who caused this you gotta remember there was non trans that did too, when you guys say it was JUST trans people we play right into their unwashed hands so they can play victim
 

ninja8tyu

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as much as trannys are 90% of the people who caused this you gotta remember there was non trans that did too, when you guys say it was JUST trans people we play right into their unwashed hands so they can play victim
97% more accurately, and they play victim over everything.
obvious not all, but it's more like there's one person who isn't a child raping faggot that's been lumped in with them that shouldn't be; a technicality.

the people who fall for their ploy are equally as retarded and i don't respect them as human beings either, so i have no desire to appeal to them.

we've had 100k years of human history. most of it has been recorded starting 10k years ago. how many fucking same bullshit happens in that time, i have no fucking idea, but knowing how much repeats even in a single lifetime, the people who fall for the "uwu be better, only for me, not for yourself or your loved ones" bullshit are below retarded and should be treated like the cattle that their masters they've decided to suck up to treat them like.
 

Nanodesu

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as much as trannys are 90% of the people who caused this you gotta remember there was non trans that did too, when you guys say it was JUST trans people we play right into their unwashed hands so they can play victim
Reminder that twitter trannies think they're being genocided. Literally, literally genocided! They're beyond reason, to unpack a tranny's worldview you'd need a wall and red string to connect all the dots of their delusion.

Normies on the other hand fear trannies so they'll use any excuse under the sun to dismiss perfectly good evidence: "You're only 97% factual? Oh, uh that's not 100% and besides why do you sound so aggressive? Who hurt you? Personally I think both sides need to..." and that's the way the cookie crumbles. No one can be right, no one can be wrong. Ever.
 
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