Drama VShojo/Ex-VShojo/Mythic rrats

[BoobaciousDood]

Man, you take a break for a bit then come back to see all this tea being dropped. Looks like ol' VShojo is one more major name away from dissolving into dust, but just wanna throw one of my biggest thought/theories out here.

I'm willing to bet any amount of money or anything else that the 'no contract renewal' for Silver was a coverup to the fact that they just plain decided to cut her out. Because over the past few months, along with all of the other stuff Filian and others have been dishing out it's become apparent that, forgive my French here, when Silver isn't getting level of attention and monetary support that she thinks she deserves she is a complete and vile cunt.

Which I'm not surprised by considering how much she jumps between things and how little effort she puts into the things she does. For example;

- Saw the money Mel was raking in being a SW, decided to be one herself but posts nothing but naked dance vids, then hires artists to start making porn pics and comics about her and charging money on Patreon for access, while finally calling anyone who asks about Fansly streams or the return of porn vids a 'creep'

- Starts one month off with her 3D model saying how proud she is of it, then switches to 2D. Someone (I can't remember their name) points out that she only uses the 3D model when she gets a certain number of subs and donations on stream and their post is deleted within an hour because of white knightning.

- Similar to the second post, how obvious it is that she riles up her fanbase to the point they start commenting on stuff and never makes any posts of "Don't comment, be civil"

And so many more. Like, don't get me wrong there's a lot of VShojo members that aren't the best people or just downright scummy but Silver's been behind a mask for a while now and I seriously hope she keeps getting exposed more and more to the point anyone out there realizes she's so radioactive that collabing with her isn't worth the risk.

Pretty sure I'm the one that regularly gives Silver the most shit in this forum and even then I don't think she's a bad person per say. Is she bitchy, clingy, needy, whiny, leaning a bit too hard on the emotionally unstable side and can sometimes come off as pampered or dumb as rocks? Definitely. Vile and malicious? Not as far as I've noticed.

She's definitely got her issues and fair share of skeletons in the closet but at the end of the day how is she any different from a regular Twitch thoth besides the anime avatar? Hell, I would even say she can be genuinely entertaining to watch when she's not constantly doing comments about tits and dicks or trying to act like she's the bad bitch of highschool, which really seemed to stick hard into her routine after they formed Vjosho.

Maybe now that she left the company she'll finally pull her head out of her ass and stop acting like she's going to be the Belle Delphine of the Vtubing world and instead focus on being an entertaining streamer like she used to be back in her Youtube days.

 

[creneper]

Pretty sure I'm the one that regularly gives Silver the most shit in this forum and even then I don't think she's a bad person per say. Is she bitchy, clingy, needy, whiny, leaning a bit too hard on the emotionally unstable side and can sometimes come off as pampered or dumb as rocks? Definitely. Vile and malicious? Not as far as I've noticed.

She's definitely got her issues and fair share of skeletons in the closet but at the end of the day how is she any different from a regular Twitch thoth besides the anime avatar? Hell, I would even say she can be genuinely entertaining to watch when she's not constantly doing comments about tits and dicks or trying to act like she's the bad bitch of highschool, which really seemed to stick hard into her routine after they formed Vjosho.

Maybe now that she left the company she'll finally pull her head out of her ass and stop acting like she's going to be the Belle Delphine of the Vtubing world and instead focus on being an entertaining streamer like she used to be back in her Youtube days.

straight facts

 

[blackjack]

To no one's surprise.

 

[creneper]

To no one's surprise.

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LMAO mythic must be paying better cuz vshojo is having all their girls stolen!

 

[YakuInTheFlesh]

It's honestly strange to me. VSJ never was a VTuber company that really debuted new talent (even the ones they have were all fired and it's not treated like a secret who they were) like all the others and now you have Mythic and they seem to to VSJs job much better than VSJ!
All they had to do was to provide some help with merch, events, etc. and have a fair split to then go and scoop up all the indie VTubers. They coud've even pulled a "Look how popular our other talents are! That could be you!". Instead they seem to have sat on their asses and now some random team of Twitch streamers is doing what they couldn't. Of course they are not to 100% focused on VTuber, but who cares? If you are exclusively on Twitch then you are not a "Tuber" anyways.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other members are already in talks behind the scenes with Mythic to switch to them.

 

[creneper]

It's honestly strange to me. VSJ never was a VTuber company that really debuted new talent (even the ones they have were all fired and it's not treated like a secret who they were) like all the others and now you have Mythic and they seem to to VSJs job much better than VSJ!
All they had to do was to provide some help with merch, events, etc. and have a fair split to then go and scoop up all the indie VTubers. They coud've even pulled a "Look how popular our other talents are! That could be you!". Instead they seem to have sat on their asses and now some random team of Twitch streamers is doing what they couldn't. Of course they are not to 100% focused on VTuber, but who cares? If you are exclusively on Twitch then you are not a "Tuber" anyways.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other members are already in talks behind the scenes with Mythic to switch to them.

vshojo doesnt give a shit about making talents bigger, they only care about making themselfs bigger thats why they dont hire anyone who isnt hella famous before joining

 

[Bingus405]

It's honestly strange to me. VSJ never was a VTuber company that really debuted new talent (even the ones they have were all fired and it's not treated like a secret who they were) like all the others and now you have Mythic and they seem to to VSJs job much better than VSJ!
All they had to do was to provide some help with merch, events, etc. and have a fair split to then go and scoop up all the indie VTubers. They coud've even pulled a "Look how popular our other talents are! That could be you!". Instead they seem to have sat on their asses and now some random team of Twitch streamers is doing what they couldn't. Of course they are not to 100% focused on VTuber, but who cares? If you are exclusively on Twitch then you are not a "Tuber" anyways.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the other members are already in talks behind the scenes with Mythic to switch to them.

I think you have a big misconception about VS as a whole.

The agency started strictly as a literal Clubhouse for popular Western Vtubers to collude together, collab, and run their "own" tight little agency. The answer to megaliths like Hololive and Nji as well as talents keeping their own models/likeness in the event of a departure. It legitimately had a solid moral foundation.

The issue is its earliest members included Nyanners who's a snake in the grass and immediately gave the company a partially sour reputation to a lot of people. It IMPROVED when Ironmouse got picked up (she joined VS before she was huge, if anyone remembers. Girl was the smallest talent on the Agency when she joined!) But then you had Apricot join around that period (and Vei earlier) which added a bitch and a questionable bitch to the organization.

Then you had the Nux-drama which shattered the unity of the entire agency as a whole. Girls collab'd more prior to the Nux drama. Then Nyanners being the Queen-Bee-Bitch she is mandated the girls dog-pile Nux and the guy fought back, had receipts, everything. That month is actually when VS "died" as Unified Entity- to me at least. After that point the girls collab'd less and it was CLEAR there was a huge lack of trust between them all. Girls like Silver and Vei outright collab'd significantly less altogether.

Ironically enough most of us believe Nyanners, Vei, and Silver leaving VS marks the beginning of its slow-death. But honestly after they group picked up PIKA of all girls? I think it's possibly a Rebirth for the organization as a whole.

No matter what you say about Ironmouse, girl is modest with her position as Queen-Bee of VS. Way more than Nyanners ever was, and I'm under the impression Mouse doesn't mind sharing the spotlight with her other co-workers either. As long as Mouse stays with VS, the organization has room to grow still. With Pika on board it does a lot to begin improving their identity as well and be a genuine "Rebirth" period for the Agency after it effectively died Unity-Wise after the Nux-Drama.

Also as a side note I think everyone is forgetting Mythic-Talent is a sponsorship agency. Way less personal and loosely-formed than even VS was- and it's WAY off of being anything close to Nji or Hololive. Chances are MT only expect kickbacks from sponserships they successfully secure for their members- over a continuous cut of ANY money they make overall.


Tldr; VS didn't suck as an agency. It was populated by assholes which grew to distrust each other and stop actually doing what they were supposed to as coworkers- cooperate. I'd like to remind everyone VS /is/ the agency that helped propel Ironmouse into being one of the top-streamers on the Western Platform. You can argue she could've done it with ANY agency but- she did it with VS.

Also they've done a decent job with Henya's debut. Collab featuring almost the entire agency is worth noting. Girls had fun with each other and it does show.

It's honestly fucking hilarious that these three all join the same group after they did so little with each other in VS. But I don't think it actually means anything actually.

 

[Bingus405]

vshojo doesnt give a shit about making talents bigger, they only care about making themselfs bigger thats why they dont hire anyone who isnt hella famous before joining

I could be wrong here but doesn't membership of VS require everyone to agree on it? I recall that was a tenant as well for the organization- not forcing existing members to deal with new members they don't like.

Also Mouse/Haruka weren't exactly big/known before joining. Apricot was also a brand-new streamer practically when she joined. I'm all for shitting on Gunrun's gang but, I will be Devil's Advocate for the sake of not making a shitty echo-chamber on this forum.

 

[blackjack]

 

[Sergio Leonardo Cornejo]

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I will give some credence to her statement. But nobody at Hololive ever complained about that. So maybe that's a problem with the agencies she knows. Certainly is a problem with Nijisanji too.
Also, someone said she'd become Asmongold's coworker, right? Prophecies come true. However now that VShojo EN is falling apart, I wonder if it will be VShojo's redemption. I mean. JP isn't nearly as bad and they used necromancy on the Kettle.

 

[BoobaciousDood]

To no one's surprise.

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So much for her riding solo, I guess. I figured she'd jump into another group eventually but not right off the bat given how she complained about the other girls giving her the cold shoulder.

Then you had the Nux-drama which shattered the unity of the entire agency as a whole. Girls collab'd more prior to the Nux drama. Then Nyanners being the Queen-Bee-Bitch she is mandated the girls dog-pile Nux and the guy fought back, had receipts, everything. That month is actually when VS "died" as Unified Entity- to me at least. After that point the girls collab'd less and it was CLEAR there was a huge lack of trust between them all. Girls like Silver and Vei outright collab'd significantly less altogether.

It really goes to show just how hard the girls fucked up when people still talk and remember the drama even after more than a year and a half. Sometimes I wish Nux had chosen violence and spilled the beans about all the dirt he had on them. Dude ain't the type to fuck around and seeing how over half of them publiclly apologized within less than a week after his reply gives me the idea he must have had some career-ending dirt on them to make even pink-cat bend the knee.

 

[YakuInTheFlesh]

I think you have a big misconception about VS as a whole.

The agency started strictly as a literal Clubhouse for popular Western Vtubers to collude together, collab, and run their "own" tight little agency. The answer to megaliths like Hololive and Nji as well as talents keeping their own models/likeness in the event of a departure. It legitimately had a solid moral foundation.

The issue is its earliest members included Nyanners who's a snake in the grass and immediately gave the company a partially sour reputation to a lot of people. It IMPROVED when Ironmouse got picked up (she joined VS before she was huge, if anyone remembers. Girl was the smallest talent on the Agency when she joined!) But then you had Apricot join around that period (and Vei earlier) which added a bitch and a questionable bitch to the organization.

Then you had the Nux-drama which shattered the unity of the entire agency as a whole. Girls collab'd more prior to the Nux drama. Then Nyanners being the Queen-Bee-Bitch she is mandated the girls dog-pile Nux and the guy fought back, had receipts, everything. That month is actually when VS "died" as Unified Entity- to me at least. After that point the girls collab'd less and it was CLEAR there was a huge lack of trust between them all. Girls like Silver and Vei outright collab'd significantly less altogether.

Ironically enough most of us believe Nyanners, Vei, and Silver leaving VS marks the beginning of its slow-death. But honestly after they group picked up PIKA of all girls? I think it's possibly a Rebirth for the organization as a whole.

No matter what you say about Ironmouse, girl is modest with her position as Queen-Bee of VS. Way more than Nyanners ever was, and I'm under the impression Mouse doesn't mind sharing the spotlight with her other co-workers either. As long as Mouse stays with VS, the organization has room to grow still. With Pika on board it does a lot to begin improving their identity as well and be a genuine "Rebirth" period for the Agency after it effectively died Unity-Wise after the Nux-Drama.

Also as a side note I think everyone is forgetting Mythic-Talent is a sponsorship agency. Way less personal and loosely-formed than even VS was- and it's WAY off of being anything close to Nji or Hololive. Chances are MT only expect kickbacks from sponserships they successfully secure for their members- over a continuous cut of ANY money they make overall.


Tldr; VS didn't suck as an agency. It was populated by assholes which grew to distrust each other and stop actually doing what they were supposed to as coworkers- cooperate. I'd like to remind everyone VS /is/ the agency that helped propel Ironmouse into being one of the top-streamers on the Western Platform. You can argue she could've done it with ANY agency but- she did it with VS.

Also they've done a decent job with Henya's debut. Collab featuring almost the entire agency is worth noting. Girls had fun with each other and it does show.

It's honestly fucking hilarious that these three all join the same group after they did so little with each other in VS. But I don't think it actually means anything actually.

Thanks for the write down. However I believe I still am right to some degree. VSJ did throw jabs at HL and later on straight up set themselves up in "their" turf by making a big marketing effort in JP. Sure you can be a tight nit entity of friends, but VSJ is by all means a corporate entity and as a CE it makes no sense to build your growth on your existing "product" alone. Everyone in VSJ should've wanted more members to join since it would've had a direct kickback to them. Be it more growth potential thanks to crossing communities, better contract/splits due to the company growing, etc.

I would also argue, that a big factor for Irons growth is Connor more so than VSJ.

Sure Mythic is a sponsorship agency, but for most indies (especially smaller ones) that is all they need to make it sustainable. That's all VSJ would've had to do, to expand their branding. They could've even made a differentiation from VSJ-Talent and VSJ-Partner.

 

[BoobaciousDood]

Thanks for the write down. However I believe I still am right to some degree. VSJ did throw jabs at HL and later on straight up set themselves up in "their" turf by making a big marketing effort in JP. Sure you can be a tight nit entity of friends, but VSJ is by all means a corporate entity and as a CE it makes no sense to build your growth on your existing "product" alone. Everyone in VSJ should've wanted more members to join since it would've had a direct kickback to them. Be it more growth potential thanks to crossing communities, better contract/splits due to the company growing, etc.

I would also argue, that a big factor for Irons growth is Connor more so than VSJ.

Sure Mythic is a sponsorship agency, but for most indies (especially smaller ones) that is all they need to make it sustainable. That's all VSJ would've had to do, to expand their branding. They could've even made a differentiation from VSJ-Talent and VSJ-Partner.

What you're saying is true, but you're also missing out on one important fact.

All of that would have required Vjosho to be managed by competent people.

 

[Bingus405]

Thanks for the write down. However I believe I still am right to some degree. VSJ did throw jabs at HL and later on straight up set themselves up in "their" turf by making a big marketing effort in JP. Sure you can be a tight nit entity of friends, but VSJ is by all means a corporate entity and as a CE it makes no sense to build your growth on your existing "product" alone. Everyone in VSJ should've wanted more members to join since it would've had a direct kickback to them. Be it more growth potential thanks to crossing communities, better contract/splits due to the company growing, etc.

I would also argue, that a big factor for Irons growth is Connor more so than VSJ.

Sure Mythic is a sponsorship agency, but for most indies (especially smaller ones) that is all they need to make it sustainable. That's all VSJ would've had to do, to expand their branding. They could've even made a differentiation from VSJ-Talent and VSJ-Partner.

Much like Dood said, VS didn't really have competent beginnings to start with and its big Call-To-Fame was being the 'First' notable EN "agency" for English Vtubers. I don't think it's really possible for VS to ever become a big organization and to be honest? That might actually be for the best. We've seen what happens when an agency has too much talent and doesn't manage it right (Nji) and VS clearly never had the right leadership to manage dozens of talents.

Dare I say I'm hopeful for VS' future as long as Mouse is on board with it. Without her I don't think the organization could actually last. My personal wish will always be Apricot leaving but that won't ever happen. Maybe if Zen left...which is an okay sacrifice in my book. Zen isn't a bad guy but he's got some really shit simp-level opinions and he also should've just joined the femboy vtuber crowd. So many of those guys just use female avatars and talk normally. Then again Zen probably isn't actually gay so acting gay on stream wouldn't work...and he's probably an average dude body-wise.

 

[BoobaciousDood]

Much like Dood said, VS didn't really have competent beginnings to start with and its big Call-To-Fame was being the 'First' notable EN "agency" for English Vtubers. I don't think it's really possible for VS to ever become a big organization and to be honest? That might actually be for the best. We've seen what happens when an agency has too much talent and doesn't manage it right (Nji) and VS clearly never had the right leadership to manage dozens of talents.

Dare I say I'm hopeful for VS' future as long as Mouse is on board with it. Without her I don't think the organization could actually last. My personal wish will always be Apricot leaving but that won't ever happen. Maybe if Zen left...which is an okay sacrifice in my book. Zen isn't a bad guy but he's got some really shit simp-level opinions and he also should've just joined the femboy vtuber crowd. So many of those guys just use female avatars and talk normally. Then again Zen probably isn't actually gay so acting gay on stream wouldn't work...and he's probably an average dude body-wise.

The thing about Zen is, everyone in his community knows he's a dude by this point, people simply have learned to accept it and not talk about it because of how aggressive he tends to get regarding that topic. Hell, if anything I'd daresay Zen is probably the most harmless as far as Vjosho's snake den goes. His only real issues are his extremely short-fuse termperament and his complete lack of consistency when changing Vtuber models just to follow the current fad.

 

[blackjack]

Zens model was being used by a male and female, since the female stated she made the dude a Boston creampie in that video I provided earlier, and he tried to be meme-funny saying, "perish" along with hearing his voice I think he is a lowkey huge Forsen fan.

 

[Misan]

So much for her riding solo, I guess. I figured she'd jump into another group eventually but not right off the bat given how she complained about the other girls giving her the cold shoulder.


It really goes to show just how hard the girls fucked up when people still talk and remember the drama even after more than a year and a half. Sometimes I wish Nux had chosen violence and spilled the beans about all the dirt he had on them. Dude ain't the type to fuck around and seeing how over half of them publiclly apologized within less than a week after his reply gives me the idea he must have had some career-ending dirt on them to make even pink-cat bend the knee.

Feels like her entrance in V-Shojo; jumping on the bandwagon because her 'best friends' are in it too. Silvervale likes to play the little sister imitating her older siblings because it kind of makes her cool or accepted in their circle. Which can explain why she still have that thot attitude, while also being fake/bad at it, or is trying so hard to please them (Still going on recently how Athel x Nyanners call her TH-ilvervale, despite the bit being done weeks ago), like a highschooler wanting join the 'popular' kids group.

We shall see in 2-3 years from now if she will complain for the same reasons towards Mythic and her 'friends'.

 

[BoobaciousDood]

Feels like her entrance in V-Shojo; jumping on the bandwagon because her 'best friends' are in it too. Silvervale likes to play the little sister imitating her older siblings because it kind of makes her cool or accepted in their circle. Which can explain why she still have that thot attitude, while also being fake/bad at it, or is trying so hard to please them (Still going on recently how Athel x Nyanners call her TH-ilvervale, despite the bit being done weeks ago), like a highschooler wanting join the 'popular' kids group.

We shall see in 2-3 years from now if she will complain for the same reasons towards Mythic and her 'friends'.

I doubt we'll even need to wait that long to find out. Vjosho tolerated Silver and most of the other girls for as long as it did because of the whole "free Vtuber agency" concept and the girls themselves (Especially Nyanners) having substantial control over the agency's decisions. At least on the EN side. I know next to nothing about mythic besides it being a group that uses both Vtubers and regular streamers alike but if they're even moderately more competent than VJS I doubt they'll tolerate their bs for very long, especially if they pull anything like the Nux drama ever again or end up proving to offer little to no contribution to the group at large, which is particulary an issue for Silver given her stagnant growth.

Truth be told I'm not even sure if it was so much Mythic wanting Silver in the group as much as it was Nyanners and Veibae pushing for her to be allowed just to make sure she'll keep her mouth shut about whatever dirt she might have on them. After that whole "We haven't talked in months" clip started making the rounds they probably realized pretty quickly it'd be better to keep her well within arm's reach at all times. Either way, the girl is a ticking time bomb and it's only a matter of time before her new group gives her the booth.

 

[Bingus405]

Zens model was being used by a male and female, since the female stated she made the dude a Boston creampie in that video I provided earlier, and he tried to be meme-funny saying, "perish" along with hearing his voice I think he is a lowkey huge Forsen fan.

Pretty sure that was an ex-gf or some shit when he was trying to pull the

>Have a chick voice my model a bit

But it didn't pan out.

 

[Bingus405]

Feels like her entrance in V-Shojo; jumping on the bandwagon because her 'best friends' are in it too. Silvervale likes to play the little sister imitating her older siblings because it kind of makes her cool or accepted in their circle. Which can explain why she still have that thot attitude, while also being fake/bad at it, or is trying so hard to please them (Still going on recently how Athel x Nyanners call her TH-ilvervale, despite the bit being done weeks ago), like a highschooler wanting join the 'popular' kids group.

We shall see in 2-3 years from now if she will complain for the same reasons towards Mythic and her 'friends'.

Is this really the case? Silver reclined from streaming with most of the girls to my knowledge the past year. To say she's close to them is a bit of a stretch.

I doubt we'll even need to wait that long to find out. Vjosho tolerated Silver and most of the other girls for as long as it did because of the whole "free Vtuber agency" concept and the girls themselves (Especially Nyanners) having substantial control over the agency's decisions. At least on the EN side. I know next to nothing about mythic besides it being a group that uses both Vtubers and regular streamers alike but if they're even moderately more competent than VJS I doubt they'll tolerate their bs for very long, especially if they pull anything like the Nux drama ever again or end up proving to offer little to no contribution to the group at large, which is particulary an issue for Silver given her stagnant growth.

Truth be told I'm not even sure if it was so much Mythic wanting Silver in the group as much as it was Nyanners and Veibae pushing for her to be allowed just to make sure she'll keep her mouth shut about whatever dirt she might have on them. After that whole "We haven't talked in months" clip started making the rounds they probably realized pretty quickly it'd be better to keep her well within arm's reach at all times. Either way, the girl is a ticking time bomb and it's only a matter of time before her new group gives her the booth.

If I am correct, Mythic is a Sponsorship Agency so they'll try get their talents relevant sponserships for what they specialize in and maybe secure merchandising deals too in exchange for what I imagine are kickbacks from successful dealings.

Comes off as very opt-in and opt-out. A far cry from any Vtuber "Idol Agency" currently. As well as contracts between MT and the Talents being individually tailored I'd guess too.

Nyanners isn't a paragon of morals but she's business minded, the hag she is. I'd be shocked if she told the community she was going solo for a bit, then joined a heavy-handed Agency the same week.

We need someone to go bother to look into MT and see what they're all about fully. I'm working off whispers on my end for the most part.