Well, you're barking up the wrong tree in the first place. The gameplay is limited on PURPOSE. You guys know it's made for 5 mins burst but since you don't live like that and want to play for hours, you keep ignoring who it's for. BA or Nikke have engaged enough gameplay (aiming skills and shooting targets) and even that is too time consuming on a daily basis that they need to have autos. They're also great games for people into collections (you don't need everything) or management simulation. The fun is in the management, strategizing, and looking at cute girls doing cute shit. If you want more then that's on you. I'm sure you have a game you think is engaging that i think is boring af too. Need i remind you that one of the biggest franchise in the world is Pokémon? The gameplay there is hardly "engaging".
I don't "keep ignoring who it's for", I'm saying it's not an alternative for gamers, but enough of them that are starved for more fanservice get hooked into it and support its bad practices, which in turn causes more and more talented people to gravitate towards making gacha because that's where all the money is. If gamers want more attractive female characters in video games again they should stop supporting gacha. I do want to support fanservice but only when it's in actual games in order to make devs and publishers realize that it's still profitable, that Twitter trannies and game journos don't matter when you just focus on pleasing your loyal customers.
Sure, but there are also technical limitations. You keep all those events and storage space is going to balloon in size. My so called JPEG collector FGO sit at 10GB right now, and that's with me wiping caches. You keep all the events and it will easily be 5 times that (cuz 8 years). And it's not a big game, mind you. Average gachas will start at 5GB and get to double that after just a year or two. You want to keep everything then everyone will have consoles games on their phones in no time. I can understand the FOMO argument but this is a LIVE service game after all, they're selling the live as much as the game.
Yes, and I don't want games as a service, so I'm against gacha. Not a hard point to understand.
Unlike traditional games there are constant updates so there's always something to keep the community up.
Regular updates and traditional games aren't even necessarily mutually exclusive. And I'm not only talking about DLC, if something like Terraria (a 10€ game) can keep getting free updates 10 years after its launch, so can other games. And it's debatable how generous those free updates really are for gachas when a lot of the shit added is time-gated.
You get the best experiences as a long time player and that's exactly what keeps people playing. For many THAT is their relaxing hobby.
Sunk cost fallacy. And imagine how relaxing that hobby is when you are really busy but there's some super special event going on right now with shit that you really want. I'm sure it's not at all stressful trying to find time to grind away in your gacha instead of simply doing it later when you have more time because shit just had to be time-gated.
And i don't get the sentiment that you NEED to have everything or that you DESERVE everything. That's the mindset that make people finished every achievement or platinum even though it's a fcking miserable experience. If you have that mindset of course you wouldn't be happy joining something ongoing. That's like going to the movie theater and expect to take the tape home.
Stupid analogy. It's more like if the movie was only available to watch for 2 weeks EVER, with no home release or anything like that. It's just artificial scarcity. I want a complete game. If the content is there and done just leave it in, there's no reason to take it out of the game other than greed and abusing FOMO. It's on the same level of bullshit as day 1 DLC where they take content from an already finished game and lock it behind a paywall.
And to make an obvious dig here, do you think that people who just come into your country deserves all the benefits the country has to offer? Benefits your family got after 4 generations of contribution? It's not like they got no benefits, they just want YOUR benefits. Of course it's not an equal comparison but i assume the sentiment is there for many.
See above.
EOS happens when the player count or revenue reaches a certain point. By that point it's just extreme enthusiast playing and it's likely they already got their money's worth, if they paid at all. Keeping the servers up mean the company is loosing money and they're not a charity here. That's not FOMO as much the games are not made to be offline from the start. They have to be online to prevent cheats or exploits because that directly affects the revenue. Gacha games have to be remade from the ground up as an offline experience. Not many companies do that for a reason.
You said it, the gacha model itself is a cancer that can't be fixed. Telling gamers who want attractive characters back to just play gacha is not a solution.
I get you man but honestly i saw that a miles coming with that game. That's why i quit after a week. You play enough of these games and you know which one's got red flags. They were never gonna be what you want anyway. Are you gonna be sad you can't play a Nier rip-off on steam? Because that's exactly what these cash grabs are.
No, I'm sad that talent and time is wasted on what you yourself called a cash grab, when they could have worked on a new, proper NieR title, all because they saw the quick and easy cash gachas make.
But saying all gachas are like those is like saying all steam games are like Star Field.
But how are gachas not a bundle of always-online DRM, microtransactions and games as a service? Yes, some might last longer than others, but whether they last 3 or 6 years doesn't matter when they're gonna be unplayable in the end anyway (五十歩百歩). One thing they could at the very least start doing is release an offline version once the EOS hits, like Mega Man X DiVE did. Even then there's still lots of problems with that but it would at least be a step in the right direction.