Censorship The Japanese Communist Party new platform policies is very bad (loli and more at threat) 0

Hexasheep93

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I really wish I knew what was the popular opinion there, I mean at the end of the day its them that will decide I guess.
I am probably worrying to much but after that lo artist actually coming off in favor of it Im not so sure :gura-pain:
 

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I really wish I knew what was the popular opinion there, I mean at the end of the day its them that will decide I guess.
I am probably worrying to much but after that lo artist actually coming off in favor of it Im not so sure :gura-pain:
that artist was a pathetic asshole.
I doubt he's going to support this shit. and if he does he'll probably be out of a job
but I really doubt he will
 
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grapedApe

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Using deepl on nogiwa's post... looks like he wants a nsfw tag for loli on social media. Or you can just use the existing nsfw function or better yet, stop using twitter.

Some of his other posts do give me the feeling he's one of those "draws loli for infamy, bails when it gets too hot/more cash can be made from generic shit" types, can't be sure, deepl isn't making his stance make sense.
 

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Using deepl on nogiwa's post... looks like he wants a nsfw tag for loli on social media. Or you can just use the existing nsfw function or better yet, stop using twitter.

Some of his other posts do give me the feeling he's one of those "draws loli for infamy, bails when it gets too hot/more cash can be made from generic shit" types, can't be sure, deepl isn't making his stance make sense.
I think that's a bit of a stretch given that he's a contributor for Comic LO. There isn't really much in the way to cash in infamy for LO artists outside of contracts with other lolicon publications like Little Queen or Comic RIN. That market is simply significantly more saturated on the other side of the Pacific than it is in the west.

What he's noticing, and in my opinion is right in noticing, is that explicit media existing on the same platform that politicians use to announce global policies, FEMA (and its international equivalents) uses to announce emergency notifications, and large companies use to advertise their products on is a weird situation for us to be in. At least it would have been weird about a decade and a half ago. Personally, I think he's missing the forests for the trees as the actual issue at hand is that everyone is being corralled into 2-3 platforms that are one size fits all; with the Eye of Sauron always looking to cast people out to make room for more. It's a very Confucian mindset, and one that's hard to explain unless you have taken a trip down the Asiatic culture rabbit hole, but the intent seems to be to offer up a small sacrifice on the part of 'his side' for the appearance of goodwill to point to in the event that catastrophe strikes and the gaze of legislators turn once again to social media.

I doubt it'll work, but it's a more nuanced stance than Romly puts across; then again Romly is kind of a Netouyo sperg so it's no surprise that he's missing the mark on that. And he's one to talk about censorship given his behavior during the Uma Musume porn fiasco. But hey, it's not censorship if it comes from their corporate overlords at the JRA, right?
 

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I think that's a bit of a stretch given that he's a contributor for Comic LO. There isn't really much in the way to cash in infamy for LO artists outside of contracts with other lolicon publications like Little Queen or Comic RIN. That market is simply significantly more saturated on the other side of the Pacific than it is in the west.

What he's noticing, and in my opinion is right in noticing, is that explicit media existing on the same platform that politicians use to announce global policies, FEMA (and its international equivalents) uses to announce emergency notifications, and large companies use to advertise their products on is a weird situation for us to be in. At least it would have been weird about a decade and a half ago. Personally, I think he's missing the forests for the trees as the actual issue at hand is that everyone is being corralled into 2-3 platforms that are one size fits all; with the Eye of Sauron always looking to cast people out to make room for more. It's a very Confucian mindset, and one that's hard to explain unless you have taken a trip down the Asiatic culture rabbit hole, but the intent seems to be to offer up a small sacrifice on the part of 'his side' for the appearance of goodwill to point to in the event that catastrophe strikes and the gaze of legislators turn once again to social media.

I doubt it'll work, but it's a more nuanced stance than Romly puts across; then again Romly is kind of a Netouyo sperg so it's no surprise that he's missing the mark on that. And he's one to talk about censorship given his behavior during the Uma Musume porn fiasco. But hey, it's not censorship if it comes from their corporate overlords at the JRA, right?
I understand that.
The problem, in my opinion, is that when it comes to censorship and freedom of expression is an all or nothing issue.
For more that I dislike absolutism, too many times have I seen censorship and puritanism creep its way little by little. Sure it may start as just a warning or only "the most extreme stuff" and before you notice we are censoring small lines that mean nothing, and calling bayonetta "pedobait"
I appreciate that he is trying to reason with the oposition, however the oposition has made it very clear that it is unwilling to be reasonable.

Edit: also, this should go without saying, I do not think at all that he should be piled on or harrassed just because of his take on it
 
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So another update! It seems people are bombarding the JCP HQ's and getting some worrying responses. It also seems the JCP lawmakers that fought against the original loli ban have removed all traces of this from their personal blogs. They want noone knowing they defended this stuff.

Its worrying but only if they actually win some seats or I dont know how the elections in japan work

What I really care about its the people. What is the public opinion what are polls. Honestly thats really what worries me.
Honestly at this point I just want 31 oct to come already so we can be done with this already :gura-pain:
 
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To be fair its only worrying if they actually win some seats or I dont know how the elections in japan work

What I really care about its the people. What is the public opinion what are polls
Japan has partial proportional voting system, so JCP members have a fair bit of power(especially in tokyo) and elections are in 2 days and LDP is fairly weak right now. The big concern is if CDP wins big and requires JCP to take power and backtracks on their promise not to share government with JCP.

Thankfully some good news is Ishin(Libertarian-right) party is laying waste to everyone and is targeting Saori Ikeuchi(super feminist, loli regulator) seat after she lost it and is trying to regain it. Last thing is getting her back into the scene.
 

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Japan has partial proportional voting system, so JCP members have a fair bit of power(especially in tokyo) and elections are in 2 days and LDP is fairly weak right now. The big concern is if CDP wins big and requires JCP to take power and backtracks on their promise not to share government with JCP.

Thankfully some good news is Ishin(Libertarian-right) party is laying waste to everyone and is targeting Saori Ikeuchi(super feminist, loli regulator) seat after she lost it and is trying to regain it. Last thing is getting her back into the scene.
Why are they popular in tokyo?
 

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the elections are on october 31 in japan?
That means that for this part of the world it would still be 29th?
 

Ellyloop

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I really hope they don't win at all and if anything communism can really fuck up countries like socialism can just look at South America.
Small update and the biggest twist yet, the main center-left party lost seats as well as the japanese communist party. This isnt an outcome anyone thought, the libertarian right party(ishin) or japan restoration party) tore through everyone including the ruling party and they took out JCP Saori Ikeuchi who is a big supporter of regulating this stuff as well. I think we can rest easy now and I dont see the japanese communists ever wanting to work alongside the main center left party ever again after these results...
 

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Small update and the biggest twist yet, the main center-left party lost seats as well as the japanese communist party. This isnt an outcome anyone thought, the libertarian right party(ishin) or japan restoration party) tore through everyone including the ruling party and they took out JCP Saori Ikeuchi who is a big supporter of regulating this stuff as well. I think we can rest easy now and I dont see the japanese communists ever wanting to work alongside the main center left party ever again after these results...
I heard that mentioned on the radio and breathe a sigh of relief.
 

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Looks like this shit isn't over. Couldn't even get a break for the holidays.


A draft revision of the Tokyo Metropolitan Government's Comprehensive Plan for the Promotion of Gender Equality.
It mentions the "freedom not to be exposed to offensive expressions" in mass media and public spaces, which scares me as a creator. This means I can't draw anything in Tokyo! This is a gross disregard for freedom of expression.
The "international perspective on sexual and violent expression" is also too vague, and this will lead to the decline of Japanese culture.


Tell me if I'm wrong but if I understand this correctly if this passes then fanservice and loli are dead.
 

Hexasheep93

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Looks like this shit isn't over. Couldn't even get a break for the holidays.


A draft revision of the Tokyo Metropolitan Government's Comprehensive Plan for the Promotion of Gender Equality.
It mentions the "freedom not to be exposed to offensive expressions" in mass media and public spaces, which scares me as a creator. This means I can't draw anything in Tokyo! This is a gross disregard for freedom of expression.
The "international perspective on sexual and violent expression" is also too vague, and this will lead to the decline of Japanese culture.


Tell me if I'm wrong but if I understand this correctly if this passes then fanservice and loli are dead.
Well the draft in itself speaks only about ads or publicly visible stuff. So striclty speaking no its not the end but it would be a big step in a very wrong direction. We can hope that more people raise their concern over it
 

Ellyloop

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Looks like this shit isn't over. Couldn't even get a break for the holidays.


A draft revision of the Tokyo Metropolitan Government's Comprehensive Plan for the Promotion of Gender Equality.
It mentions the "freedom not to be exposed to offensive expressions" in mass media and public spaces, which scares me as a creator. This means I can't draw anything in Tokyo! This is a gross disregard for freedom of expression.
The "international perspective on sexual and violent expression" is also too vague, and this will lead to the decline of Japanese culture.


Tell me if I'm wrong but if I understand this correctly if this passes then fanservice and loli are dead.
Good news, it was bit of an overreaction and the news has already died down, mostly because this isn't new and has existed for decades. This ordinance gets revised every 5 years and the wording is no different from a good decade ago. Lawmakers such as Nishizawa of CDP and Fujisue of LDP have confirmed it with the big wigs and said no new plans are in the works, still these lawmakers are making moves to adjust this outdated ordinance.

It's also nowhere near as broad as that tweet made it out, it's only usage seems to have been at the Tokyo Museum, specifically it's curtains?
 

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article link/ (https://archive.ph/cOoZX)

This part of the Article made me laugh, after all of their irrational please pf emotion yielding little result they invoke the name of the Otaku killer also known as the other Miyazaki.

The comics feature young girls engaged in explicit sexual acts, often with exaggerated body parts but facial features that look like those of children. A growing number of countries have banned them, considering such depictions as exploitation of minors even if they are fictitious.
But in Japan, home to a thriving manga industry, including the pornographic kind, calls to outlaw these cartoons have been met with fierce resistance.

“We oppose policies that infringe on our freedom of expression,” Taisei Sugiyama, a Japanese videographer.
Make no mistake—Sugiyama is no fan of the comics. He said he did not watch them, but would defend what he called the rights of those who did. He went so far as to compare people who like such manga with suppressed minority groups such as LGBTQ people in Japan, and blamed the “rise of feminism” in the country for the growing pressure to ban the content.
The free speech defense of porn manga depicting minors is a common refrain in Japan, a view largely endorsed by the ruling party. Though Japan prohibited the possession of child abuse material in 2014—the last of 38 member countries of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development to do so—it stopped short of extending restrictions to manga and anime, two culturally symbolic illustrative media in Japan.
Anti-child abuse advocates warn that this reluctance to altogether ban sexualized images of children, real or illustrated, may leave room to normalize sexual violence against children. In 2015, the UN’s special envoy on child protection urged the country to ban sexual images of children in manga comics, saying the media has a detrimental effect on children. Japan hit back at the UN envoy, demanding a retraction of the statement and questioning its evidence. The debate was reignited earlier this year, when the Japanese Communist Party, which has traditionally branded itself as a defender of free expression, proposed further restrictions on the depictions of child abuse, triggering backlash from people who claimed to support free speech.
The topic trended on Japanese Twitter for days last month with the hashtags “controlling expression” and “non-real child porn.” Angry users demanded an explanation from the party and accused the group of “gravely betraying” the party’s core values. Some accused the group of “trampling on the freedom of expression,” and said it was “offensive to content creators.”
But those who wish to see a ban on the sexual depictions of children in manga argue otherwise.
Critics say that images illustrating child abuse could normalize or lead to an increased risk of child sexual abuse by those who want to act out fantasies, a view that remains contentious among researchers. Some also argue that children who grow up seeing this unregulated media could think it acceptable to be sexualized, even making them susceptible targets of sexual grooming by perpetrators of child sex crimes. When child abuse was outlawed in 2014, the police—who supported the ban—disclosed that the number of criminal cases involving the production and circulation of child abuse images had increased tenfold since 2000, likely facilitated by the internet. Two years earlier, the Tokyo city government introduced its own ban on the material, in an effort to curb what the then-governor called an encouragement of pedophilia.
For videographer Sugiyama, the Communist Party’s revised policy announced just weeks before Japan’s general election was directly related to the “rise of feminism,” and was a complete U-turn from their traditional support for unfettered free speech.

“It makes the party sound good if it’s saying it’ll ‘eradicate child pornography,’ and this can attract support from women’s rights groups. But to me, it sounds like they’re just changing with the wind,” he said. Following Japan’s general elections on Nov. 1, the Communist Party holds 10 out of a total 465 seats, down two seats from before the election. Manga was not a prominent campaign issue.
For Akiyo Oonuma, a video game maker and writer, even calling the sexual depiction of children in illustrative media “porn” was fundamentally wrong. “The government decided that porn using real children as models is illegal, but manga and anime, which use fictional models, is legal,” he told VICE World News, referring to the bill passed in 2014 when the country banned possession of child abuse images.
He also said foreign countries shouldn’t intervene in Japan’s “internal matters.”
Though Japan’s manga comic industry was worth about 1.6 trillion yen ($14 billion) in 2020, child abuse only makes up a fraction of it. But the media is widely available online and in bookstores.
According to Shinichiro Harata, a sociology and media professor who has studied illustrative child abuse, creators are more worried about a sweeping ban which could affect all genres of manga.
“Unlike the United States, where anime and manga may be marketed more toward teens, in Japan, these media are known to be more expressive, both sexually and violently,” he told VICE World News.

“So grouping all content under the one term ‘manga’ and introducing bans could damage the diversity seen in the art,” he added, explaining the fear of a “slippery slope” that could gradually lead to a ban on other less objectionable comics.
In addition to this concern, creators often point to the lack of conclusive evidence linking child abuse in manga to an increase in real-world cases of child abuse. In 2002, though the U.S. Supreme Court acknowledged the possibility that such virtual images could lead to increased abuse, it said there was no evidence to suggest a causal link. Manga
For critics, there’s plenty of anecdotal evidence linking child sex abuse images to actual crime. One of the most notorious examples of sexual depictions of children in manga increasing the risk of sex crimes is the anime-loving serial “Otaku Killer,” Tsutomu Miyazaki, who gruesomely raped and murdered four young girls over the span of a year.
When police searched his home for evidence, along with the decomposing body of one of his victims, aged 5, they found thousands of child abuse and anime videos. Sociologists at the time argued his obsession with such illustrations encouraged him to act on his fantasies.
Kazuna Kanajiri, the chairman of People Against Pornography and Sexual Violence, a nonprofit that investigates sexual violence crimes in pornography, suggests that fictitious child abuse materials are frequently used in “sexual grooming,” referring to when perpetrators of sexual crimes befriend children to slowly get sexual access to them.
The easy availability of manga child abuse, whether from a simple Google Search or entering a bookstore, has also normalized this media, she said. Kanajiri proposed restrictions on such child abuse would be similar to the current ban on hate speech.

Referring to her own experiences, Kanajiri said, “When I was in second or third grade, I distinctly remember a man intently reading a porn magazine featuring a child.”
“I thought to myself then, ‘Oh, children’s sexuality has commercial value. The younger you are, the more of your chest you bare, the more profitable you become,” she said.
After causing an uproar over its position on child abuse in manga, the Japanese Communist Party issued a clarification of its policy. Though it changed its use of the term “child pornography” to “depictions of child sex abuse,” the party said it does not support a blanket ban on such material.
A representative from the Communist Party said the updated language “is a call for a broad range of concerned parties to engage in extensive discussions, and find a consensus that does not allow children to be subjected to sexual abuse and sexual exploitation,” they told VICE World News over email.
Japan’s ruling Liberal Democratic Party takes a similarly ambiguous stance. It welcomes further debate on the issue, but officially backs the 2014 bill that stated child abuse manga should not be banned.
A few officials within the party have petitioned to change the country’s laws on such media, but the efforts have fallen flat.

But even before the debate on child abuse illustrations could be settled, technology has already presented a new problem.
According to Kouya Takara, an assistant professor of media studies who’s written about child sexual images, some have begun making deep fakes—fabricated images using artificial intelligence—to get around laws on child abuse images.
“Some have begun combining a child’s face with an adult’s body, making it difficult to tell whether it’s an adult or a child, which means child pornography regulations aren’t applied,” he told VICE World News.
Current law only makes it illegal to depict real children in sexual settings, meaning showing their genitals or identifiably child-like body parts. By that same logic, this makes illustrative child abuse images legal, opening up the market to A.I.-created child abuse images.
Such activity skirts the edges of legality and is exactly what Kanajiri is afraid of, should the laws concerning child abuse depictions in manga go unchanged.
“Children are being sacrificed right now. This discussion can’t just be limited to how bans affect manga and anime—we have to think beyond that,” she said.
 
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