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Discussion The Woke Propaganda/Unapologetic Entertainment Chart

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A chart with my thoughts on recent vidya content

Tsuki

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I do think the designs being the way they are in xb3 could be censorship, but the fact that one of the people that worked on the game said it was done to fit the tone makes me think that it was just a design choice. Of course when I bring that up people just say that the devs are bullshitting and telling lies. That is the exact thing I am starting to become concerned about some people literally wont accept a non raunchy design at this point even if it might be what the devs wanted from the start.
You have to keep in mind why people are getting to this point to begin with. Yes, the devs might have wanted a non-sexualized design "from the start", but people fear that's not because they think the design is good, but because they're censoring themselves. Which is a very real thing that is becoming more and more common. Something being said to be a certain way from the start doesn't mean much, because the start could've been fucked.

Though these days, we need more sexualized designs. No real reason not to sexualize them a bit.
 

versvlees

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You have to keep in mind why people are getting to this point to begin with. Yes, the devs might have wanted a non-sexualized design "from the start", but people fear that's not because they think the design is good, but because they're censoring themselves. Which is a very real thing that is becoming more and more common. Something being said to be a certain way from the start doesn't mean much, because the start could've been fucked.

Though these days, we need more sexualized designs. No real reason not to sexualize them a bit.

I think this also depends on the franchise or IP and the developers/publishers involved. If you have a developer known for having "sexy" games but suddenly releases a new IP with nerfed female designs and removing features. Yeah people are going to rightfully ask questions about the new (art) direction especially if a major platform holder was having a shit fit about previous "sexy" games. It also, doesn't help developers/publishers have either gag orders or are afraid not to disclose the actual reason for having to self censor suddenly. Like bruh you aren't fooling anyone.

As for the sexualized designs. At this point just having feminine female characters is already considered a "win". This applies more for the already ESG pozzed Western AAA games who really hit their female characters designs pretty hard with the ugly stick. However, its not like Japanese games are free from this. Yeah I'm beating a dead horse into glue with this but Monster Hunter Rise removed feminine animations from female player characters. Also, seems like female armour sets are covered up way more compared with the previous games.
 

Rentaro

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You have to keep in mind why people are getting to this point to begin with. Yes, the devs might have wanted a non-sexualized design "from the start", but people fear that's not because they think the design is good, but because they're censoring themselves. Which is a very real thing that is becoming more and more common. Something being said to be a certain way from the start doesn't mean much, because the start could've been fucked.

Though these days, we need more sexualized designs. No real reason not to sexualize them a bit.
I know why people think it I just think it is stupid to assume censorship is the reason 100% of the time even when the devs say otherwise. And I agree we do need more sexualized designs, but if the devs don't want to do them for creative reasons that is their choice. Now if they do tame designs because they are being censored that is a massive problem I just don't think it is the case with xb3 especially since Takahashi recently talked about wanting to make a very violent and erotic game at some point and the producer said he could if he wanted to.
 

VidMasterEon

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A while ago on fedi Christi Junior created a based/pozzed score for games that is separate from measuring the objective quality of the game

here it is in case it goes away
Introducing Christi Junior’s Based Morality Rating System for video games! Well, it’s not my rating system exactly, but a modified version of the +4/-4 Moral–spiritual value ratings used by Catholic film critic Steven D. Greydanus:

http://www.decentfilms.com/about/ratings

Now, I really like his system, for 2 reasons in particular: First of all, it distinguishes the artistic qualities of a work from its morality, while still acknowledging that a well-crafted work that promotes genuine evil can not be recommended. Something Greydanus is exceptionally good at, unlike most “moralistic” reviewers, is engaging with even an Evil work as a piece of art, and critiquing its strengths and weaknesses as art in an even-handed way. His review of Million Dollar Baby is a great example of this (the overall F score is solely because of its -4 moral value, because the artistic/entertainment value is actually rated relatively highly):

http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/milliondollarbaby

Another good example, much closer to home, would be our very own @SerfnUSA's review of 86, which while disgusted with the moral content of the work not only praised aspects of the story, but made genuinely unique and insightful points about how it successfully utilized the light novel medium for storytelling purposes:

https://bae.st/notice/ATZrfOIMq2OYY2RzdI

Not all Enemy media is obvious garbage like Netflix anime adaptations or race/sex-swapped rehashes of old movies. Some of it is intelligently structured and expertly crafted. It’s helpful to be aware of this, without of course losing sight of the fact that such works are not only still evil, but more dangerous than they would otherwise have been.

The second reason I really like Greydanus’s rating system is that it allows for simultaneously positive and negative moral ratings (as well as a purely Neutral rating when appropriate), sometimes spanning almost the entire rating spectrum:

http://www.decentfilms.com/reviews/seventhseal

This I find rings very true. Indeed, most JRPGs I’ve played would certainly be getting mixed scores in the Based Morality department, since they’re huge games that cover a lot of ground, including moral, religious and political terrain, and due to it not being kiked goyslop it’s usually not uniformly supportive of everything that’s bad in the world.

Why even have Morality ratings in the first place tho? Both for the sake of convenience and for the sake of making comparisons. Whenever I talk about a particular game, I often see people ask stuff like “wait, I heard this game was pozzed, are you saying it’s actually good?”, so it will be nice to quickly and easily be able to give an idea of where it lands in terms of its Pozitivity, as well as how it compares to other similar games. Also, ever since Christ Centered Gamer went away, I don’t see anyone openly rating video games in terms of their moral content anymore, and given the state of the gaming media, they’d just further reward Evil if they did anything. So I definitely feel like there’s a void that needs filling here. But what do I mean by Based Morality? I’m so glad you asked…
My Based Morality scores will share plenty of similarities with what you’d expect to see from that of your average conservative Christian reviewer: Faggot propaganda, anti-tradition messaging, feminism, shitlibbery in general, all will increase the likelihood of a negative score. However, since I’m *not* actually a conservative Christian, there will be major departures as well. For starters, racism is Based, while anti-racism, race-mixing and “representation” is Cringe (though I’m not a purityfag on the latter, Barret being a party member in FF VII I have no issues with, while Xenoblade 3 suddenly having like 20% of the NPCs be dark-skinned I *do* have issues with). But maybe more noteworthy still, I will pretty much always view Fanservice and female nudity catering to straight males as an unambiguous Positive, given how it inherently affirms and celebrates beauty, reflects a desire to please the (overwhelmingly male) fanbase, pisses off all the right people, and in general is just Based af. So yes, I *will* give Nier Automata a +1 Based Morality score just because of 2B’s Ass, and you can’t stop me!

Speaking of which, the ratings system itself. Here’s the part where I modify Greydanus’s ratings: His ratings have +4 as the absolute best, while -4 is the absolute worst. I however will keep +4 as the top score, but have the negative scores now potentially dip as low as -5. The reason I do this is simple: Most of the types of pop entertainment I will review is ultimately made by shitlibs, even when it’s Japanese shitlibs. Most pop entertainment today will therefore probably score relatively poorly in terms of Based Morality, so being able to more accurately rate morally dubious works is very much necessary. Take the TV show Invincible for example.

https://bae.st/notice/ANZ2lA9wQ5QC8Zg7fM

TL:DR version: It’s bad. Like really bad. Like, I can’t believe you niggers complain so much about MHA when this shit exists. However, it could be worse. MUCH worse. Being explicitly as opposed to just implicitly anti-White and anti-male, repeatedly dragging in hot-button political issues, adding trannies to the mix, adding entire plot points and story arcs that are literally just Propaganda, that kind of stuff. Plenty of other works already do this. So how to score a show like Invincible? With -4 as the worst possible score, you’re left with either -2 (way too kind) or -3 (which doesn’t leave much room to properly trash aforementioned Much Worse stuff). However, a -3 score on a scale that goes all the way down to -5? That suddenly seems way more accurate. Same goes for a video game like AI: The Somnium Files, though that’s a weaker -3.

To give you a better idea of how I personally score Based Morality, especially on the negative end of things, here’s a rule of thumb: -1 is a deal, but not really a big deal. -2 is kind of a big deal, but not a dealbreaker. -3 is actually a dealbreaker. -4 is Evil. -5 is Very Evil. General fuzzy old-school liberal politics vidya politics that I’ve gone over in the past:

https://bae.st/notice/ASaSPluezmNUr2jt4K

would probably not net a game anything worse than -2. Explicitly invoking Current Year GloboHomo bullshit like tranny insanity and anti-White shit (including race-swapping characters and infinity nigger historical revisionism) will quickly earn a -3 though. I’ll however try to avoid slipping into rightwing hypersensitivity, and always keep the greater context in mind: As I’ve mentioned several times by now, Danganronpa V3 is long-ass visual novel that includes 2 extremely tame, throwaway Trump jokes. Is that enough for a -1 on its own? I’d say definitely Not. Is Mario Odyssey’s infamous ending enough for a -1? That’s a much harder question, and for me would ultimately come down to the Intent behind the scene: Is it a Feminist Peach putting Mario the Entitled Male in his place, or is it just meant as a cute way to preserve the all-important Status Quo? I lean towards the latter (the rest of the game is all about Celebrating Mario, not tearing him down), and so I would score Odyssey as Neutral, rather than a -1.

And in case it wasn’t already clear, I’m not telling anyone to actively AVOID any game or other entertainment product that I’d give an overall negative Based Morality score. Hell, my favorite game of all time is Xenoblade 1. Know what my Based Morality score for that game would be? +1 (great fanservice options and some sympathetic depictions of racist characters), but accompanied by a pretty clear -2 (in order to not Spoil the plot I’ll settle for saying that there’s some classic JRPG bullshit afoot). Meanwhile, my favorite anime is Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood, and that would probably also get a +1/-2 score. So I’m no Purityfag – a genuinely excellent -2 game would still get a clear (albeit qualified) recommendation from me, and I can even see why some of /ourguys/ could greatly enjoy -3 games like Celeste (though I personally think that game is overrated even from a pure gameplay perspective). When you get to -4 and -5 content tho? Nah nigga, at that point I’m gonna Judge you, anyone who shills shit like The Last of Us 2 and other obviously rotten Soyny slop definitely has something wrong with him in my view.

But yeah, that’s my Based Morality rating system, which you can expect to see in my upcoming gaming writeups. I actually think it’s quite well-considered, but I’m certainly interested in hearing feedback and questions.
TLDR
games are rated on a scale ranging from evil/ESG product to based/unapologetic entertainment
IE senran kagura would be a +4 and something like SF6 would be a -3

I think that our diction is not nearly as severe as it needs to be
instead of "woke" you should use "pozzed" or "diseased"
 

Cayhr

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I just don't think it is the case with xb3 especially since Takahashi recently talked about wanting to make a very violent and erotic game at some point and the producer said he could if he wanted to.
Genuinely asking: Got a source on that? I'd love to read it. Was it a recent interview? A JP article that I never saw or something?

On topic regarding people's reactions to XBC3, I am totally okay with it, even if it is overblown. The reason for it is that the cultural momentum for allowing creators and thinkers to express their ideas in ANY WAY they desire far outweighs anything else. The truth can still be the truth, because history is written by the winners, and if the winners are people who seek only the truth... well, what will the history be? Just don't give your enemy any ground in the mean time. If Takahashi wanted to portray the greyness and grittiness of Aionios by removing sexuality (aka a huge part of what makes us human besides our emotions) from Noah's story, then why does Ethel have a boob window? Why does Alexandria get tights and a texture that highlights her butt? May as well have given everyone the same uniform with different colors. It's only somewhat there, when in every other game, even DE, we had the unfiltered designs everywhere (minus some outfits in XCX but that's a localization vandalization issue, not a censorship at the source problem). So you see, it's really more about: If it wasn't a problem before, why is it now? You're making me raise questions, and it's not me that is the problem, now the problem is the source material not providing me what I originally got. If it didn't matter, it did matter enough for them to change it. And if it mattered for the story and thematic purposes, that wasn't true for previous games, and there are plenty of games with (since we are talking about it) sexy characters that don't have diminished quality because of it. My favorite counter example to end all argument is NieR Automata. 2B's ass is out all the time, but did any actual fans think the game's existential messages were lesser because of it? Absolutely not. Yet there is so much universal love for 2B and the game The lack of information on the design philosophies for XBC3 is what causes people like me to raise flags, whereas Yoko Taro was loud and clear about making sure 2B's ass was very well modeled, yet he still delivered an exquisitely themed game.

The sad part is current year games will have stains of this communist social engineering, like Elden Ring with Type A/B for character sex selection, and MH:Rise with the inclusion of TypeA/B and the removal of sex-specific animations. Will FromSoft/Capcom fix these titles years later once it is politically safe to do so? We don't know, and I'm not putting my money on it, since they very likely won't warrant making a whole new build just to change some text labels. Plus, with the way companies are being strong armed, I trust no developer studio unless proven otherwise, or unless I have some agency/leverage/personal investment in it. Developers like Nintendo are navigating the landscape rather well by NOT saying anything (minus a few exceptions like with Shiver being a girl), but it has a drawback where us regular people don't get any information whether games like XBC3 are influenced like how Sony games are. So the smartest move is to stay at an arm's length, because I sure as hell am not in any Nintendo or Nintendo affiliate development studios. Are they gonna come out "on the right side of history," or just keep up neutrality? The only safe games are the ones where none of this is a concern to begin with (e.g. Nintendo's family friendly titles Metroid, Mario, and Zelda). What can you dictate with ESG with those games? Hint at Samus being trans in an ending? That'd be horrible lmao.

You can make an argument that concepts of sex designed out of the game was for the themes of the game, but the child soldiers have no learned concept of love and reproduction anyway. "But then it proceeds that they wouldn't have sexually provoking designs at all!" Or would the themes of what makes us human be stronger if the characters' looks contradicted their behavior, strengthening those ideas? I mean, "Who wants to learn how babies are made?" And then, when they think about what they're wearing, it could bring some stuff into question. Though, the outfits in XBC aren't really important; they're just designs to differentiate characters. Also don't say "combat practicality" is why everyone has muted designs. Mio's off-seer outfit is a dress with frivolous frills and loops, and she wears it to battle in her introductory scene. No one takes the practicality of the outfit designs in XBC into effect because it's not a consideration in the XBC canon. Plus we know Moebius like D are twisted enough to be psychopaths, and yet none of them are sexual deviants despite the entirety of human history documenting humans doing human things?

Furthermore, we can somehow have Shulk's mental crisis in XBC1 and the existential crises in XBC2 while asses hung out and titties were on full display. In XCX, Elma can shout about humanity's tenacity at a tentacled alien dominatrix in a leotard. So what gives with this game? Not like they couldn't show anything at all. They were too afraid to show more. So for all intents and purposes, I herald XBC2 not just because I loved the story and the relationships between the characters, but because it's a natural filter for cultural marxists. Despite its flaws (especially compared to XBC3's practical features like the combat system), people love that game more, and for good reasons.

Also, this old(ish) comment on Rex's page of the fan "wiki" will still never fail to make me laugh. Forced diversity was a mistake.

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Who was this user hoping for?
 

immahnoob

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Genuinely asking: Got a source on that? I'd love to read it. Was it a recent interview? A JP article that I never saw or something?

On topic regarding people's reactions to XBC3, I am totally okay with it, even if it is overblown. The reason for it is that the cultural momentum for allowing creators and thinkers to express their ideas in ANY WAY they desire far outweighs anything else. The truth can still be the truth, because history is written by the winners, and if the winners are people who seek only the truth... well, what will the history be? Just don't give your enemy any ground in the mean time. If Takahashi wanted to portray the greyness and grittiness of Aionios by removing sexuality (aka a huge part of what makes us human besides our emotions) from Noah's story, then why does Ethel have a boob window? Why does Alexandria get tights and a texture that highlights her butt? May as well have given everyone the same uniform with different colors. It's only somewhat there, when in every other game, even DE, we had the unfiltered designs everywhere (minus some outfits in XCX but that's a localization vandalization issue, not a censorship at the source problem). So you see, it's really more about: If it wasn't a problem before, why is it now? You're making me raise questions, and it's not me that is the problem, now the problem is the source material not providing me what I originally got. If it didn't matter, it did matter enough for them to change it. And if it mattered for the story and thematic purposes, that wasn't true for previous games, and there are plenty of games with (since we are talking about it) sexy characters that don't have diminished quality because of it. My favorite counter example to end all argument is NieR Automata. 2B's ass is out all the time, but did any actual fans think the game's existential messages were lesser because of it? Absolutely not. Yet there is so much universal love for 2B and the game The lack of information on the design philosophies for XBC3 is what causes people like me to raise flags, whereas Yoko Taro was loud and clear about making sure 2B's ass was very well modeled, yet he still delivered an exquisitely themed game.

The sad part is current year games will have stains of this communist social engineering, like Elden Ring with Type A/B for character sex selection, and MH:Rise with the inclusion of TypeA/B and the removal of sex-specific animations. Will FromSoft/Capcom fix these titles years later once it is politically safe to do so? We don't know, and I'm not putting my money on it, since they very likely won't warrant making a whole new build just to change some text labels. Plus, with the way companies are being strong armed, I trust no developer studio unless proven otherwise, or unless I have some agency/leverage/personal investment in it. Developers like Nintendo are navigating the landscape rather well by NOT saying anything (minus a few exceptions like with Shiver being a girl), but it has a drawback where us regular people don't get any information whether games like XBC3 are influenced like how Sony games are. So the smartest move is to stay at an arm's length, because I sure as hell am not in any Nintendo or Nintendo affiliate development studios. Are they gonna come out "on the right side of history," or just keep up neutrality? The only safe games are the ones where none of this is a concern to begin with (e.g. Nintendo's family friendly titles Metroid, Mario, and Zelda). What can you dictate with ESG with those games? Hint at Samus being trans in an ending? That'd be horrible lmao.

You can make an argument that concepts of sex designed out of the game was for the themes of the game, but the child soldiers have no learned concept of love and reproduction anyway. "But then it proceeds that they wouldn't have sexually provoking designs at all!" Or would the themes of what makes us human be stronger if the characters' looks contradicted their behavior, strengthening those ideas? I mean, "Who wants to learn how babies are made?" And then, when they think about what they're wearing, it could bring some stuff into question. Though, the outfits in XBC aren't really important; they're just designs to differentiate characters. Also don't say "combat practicality" is why everyone has muted designs. Mio's off-seer outfit is a dress with frivolous frills and loops, and she wears it to battle in her introductory scene. No one takes the practicality of the outfit designs in XBC into effect because it's not a consideration in the XBC canon. Plus we know Moebius like D are twisted enough to be psychopaths, and yet none of them are sexual deviants despite the entirety of human history documenting humans doing human things?

Furthermore, we can somehow have Shulk's mental crisis in XBC1 and the existential crises in XBC2 while asses hung out and titties were on full display. In XCX, Elma can shout about humanity's tenacity at a tentacled alien dominatrix in a leotard. So what gives with this game? Not like they couldn't show anything at all. They were too afraid to show more. So for all intents and purposes, I herald XBC2 not just because I loved the story and the relationships between the characters, but because it's a natural filter for cultural marxists. Despite its flaws (especially compared to XBC3's practical features like the combat system), people love that game more, and for good reasons.

Also, this old(ish) comment on Rex's page of the fan "wiki" will still never fail to make me laugh. Forced diversity was a mistake.

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You put it really well, in the XBC3 case, either the devs failed spectacularly to implement their idea or they are lying. :shrug:
People nowadays always try to protect "their" game or "their" franchise, because they feel inadequate because they enjoyed content "their" side pans. It's why you see retards on Varis defending the RE4R remake despite it being a soulless cash grab.
 

Rentaro

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Genuinely asking: Got a source on that? I'd love to read it. Was it a recent interview? A JP article that I never saw or something?
Sadly I don't have the interview, but I saw it a few months ago and a decent amount of people were talking about it so I assume it was somewhat recent. I did find something somewhat interesting while trying to look for it though. In an interview from last year Koh Kojima said that he felt like Takahashi was deliberately trying to remove the sense of “Xenoblade-ness” in XB3, so maybe thats why the game feels the way it does.
 

Ebicentre

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You put it really well, in the XBC3 case, either the devs failed spectacularly to implement their idea or they are lying. :shrug:
People nowadays always try to protect "their" game or "their" franchise, because they feel inadequate because they enjoyed content "their" side pans. It's why you see retards on Varis defending the RE4R remake despite it being a soulless cash grab.
RE4make was a case of 'AAA games are so bad these days that a soulless cash grab remake is the best we (read: normalfag AAA consoomers) got'. Best example of this is the Act Man, who used to be based before One Angry Gamer's BLM list dropped.
 

immahnoob

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RE4make was a case of 'AAA games are so bad these days that a soulless cash grab remake is the best we (read: normalfag AAA consoomers) got'. Best example of this is the Act Man, who used to be based before One Angry Gamer's BLM list dropped.
Scarcity should be another reason to pirate. :miku-anger:
 

Hexasheep93

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Sadly I don't have the interview, but I saw it a few months ago and a decent amount of people were talking about it so I assume it was somewhat recent. I did find something somewhat interesting while trying to look for it though. In an interview from last year Koh Kojima said that he felt like Takahashi was deliberately trying to remove the sense of “Xenoblade-ness” in XB3, so maybe thats why the game feels the way it does.
I mean, I guess the only way to really find out is if they do another interview about the topic or whenever they release another entry in the franchise, until then is really all just speculation regardless of opinion:shrug:

Still its a good topic of discussion imo, calling out stuff that seems suspicious but also employ some judgement so as not to jump the gun.
 

Blackpilled930

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Fighting for non woke entertainment doesn’t matter because all Japanese entertainment will go woke and there is nothing you can about it so just give up
 

Blackpilled930

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Go back to 4cuck
But it won’t turn thanks to the banks will just bailout blackrock and esg, face it wokeness is the new normal and there is nothing you can do about so just give up and stop caring
 

Blackpilled930

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you’re right I am bored but that doesn’t change the fact that none of you has disproved my argument about how wokeness and esg is inevitable on all companies
 
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