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blackjack

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You know I do give Mel just a little credit for getting a different Vtuber on chaturbate but the problem is.

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Chaturbate is used for, "nudity" the shit they were doing they could have also been done on twitch.(see amouranth for reference) I already expected that this shit was going to happen because Giri was paranoid a day before this stream on twitch about her parents finding out she was a Vtuber. The Vtubers Mel could have asked to collab with her on Chaturbate could have been.

-Silvervale: has done porn streams with her 3d models and JOI.
-Snuffy: did a tier ranking of her fetishes on stream before like saying she gave a dude a footjob playing a video game, saying she liked oral sex and has done a 30 second masturbation audio of herself in Patreon before.
-Layna Lazar: in the fillian dating show with shylily stated the most embarrassing thing she did was some dude pissing on her face when she did 69 with her BF because of putting ice on him and did collabs with other vtubers on twitch where she answered a questionary on stream that she had multiple sex partners.
-Yuzu: stating on stream she got DP'd
-Buffpup: on iron mouse SOTD show stating she had an orgy with 7 people.

I mean they do not have to enter the painful process of signing up on chaturbate but can be featured to do a masturbation collab with Mel. The worst thing they can do is tell mel no, but these Vtubers at least have a better chance of still saying yes since they already made it clear that they dont mind telling 1000s of viewers watching of how whorish they are so it shouldn't be a problem at that point to just go all out giving a reason to make their viewers happy instead of just rubbing it on their faces of something they won't get. Might as well get pulled over drinking 12 beers instead of one. She can even ask Remilia and Lia from phase connect to do a swallowing ASMR competition.

But it is absolutely guaranteed that OppaiPantsuu and CottontailVA (who got fucked before on their streams) and even masturbated in their streams with their models, or even get El_xox(huge fan of Mel) to do a collab with her. The problem Project Melody needs to realize is that people get tired of eating Pizza for 30 days straight and sometimes they prefer to eat burgers, philly cheese steaks, gyros, burritos, shawarma, etc. Everyone on /pmg/ threads in the /ac/ section of 4chan were complaining about there not being nudity therefore disappointed in the Giri collab along with the rick rolled redeem sounds. Only reasons I can think of on why Mel does not like lewd collabs with other Vtubers on chaturbate is.

1. She absolutely sucks at video games on twitch or barely puts any effort but the only reason she is not scraping the bottom of the barrel yet when she plays games is because froot has an Apex addiction. However, she has more viewers and more profit doing chaturbate so she doesn't do collabs out of fear her viewers there might find the other Vtuber more interesting.

2. Other Vtubers take pity for Mel and don't want to steal her spotlight over there.

If Mel atleast gave the effort of getting other lewd Vtubers on her stream and there is evidence that they said no I would respect her effort, not getting a literal non-lewd vtuber on her stream like Giri for fucks sake.
 

YakuInTheFlesh

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VS when who they perceive to be their direct competition is just better in every way.
They really aren't competitors in my eyes. HL & Niji are first and foremost Talent/Idol companies (whith niji actually having stocks). Phase is something of a odd ball since they have their own members, but also accept talent from disbanded companies and halp them + provide them with managers.
VSJ though is more or less just a streamer team like you can see on twitch often enough. Only benefit from VSJ is that they have a guy that has some influence in the platform itself (which is scummy, should be disclosed and bar them from anything with conflicting interesst like "best streamer" awards)
 

Lost Branch

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They really aren't competitors in my eyes. HL & Niji are first and foremost Talent/Idol companies (whith niji actually having stocks). Phase is something of a odd ball since they have their own members, but also accept talent from disbanded companies and halp them + provide them with managers.
VSJ though is more or less just a streamer team like you can see on twitch often enough. Only benefit from VSJ is that they have a guy that has some influence in the platform itself (which is scummy, should be disclosed and bar them from anything with conflicting interesst like "best streamer" awards)
I meant that it's how vshojo views Hololive/Niji. VS is the one who decided to advertise in Japan as being the "better" vtuber company.
 

YakuInTheFlesh

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I mean can I post porn links of their Vtuber models getting fucked by dudes here? Reason I ask is I got in trouble for posting a link here of Froot's IRL nudes.
Idk. Maybe you can send it to me as a DM? Maybe the Froot ones as well while your at it? I onoy ever saw the Pomu ones.
 

blackjack

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Idk. Maybe you can send it to me as a DM? Maybe the Froot ones as well while your at it? I onoy ever saw the Pomu ones.
alright I will DM you them.

Edit: sorry the gofile I stored on my favorites and not hard drive expired for cottontail but i sent you that link anyways.
 
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Lost Branch

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Man, I'm glad I just have no real interest in those "lewd" streamers. I'm not even a "they need to be virgin and pure idols" kind of guy (hell, half of hololive is married with kids), but I just don't like listening to people talk about their sex life. It's fuckin' weird to talk about it live like that, it just makes me think they're on a Howard Stern like show. It just comes off as gross.

This is the main reason I don't watch vshojo, the handful of streams I did catch almost always had some kind of lewd topic ongoing. Either I had shitty luck or they talk about that shit often, because those were completely random streams weeks apart.
 

YakuInTheFlesh

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Man, I'm glad I just have no real interest in those "lewd" streamers. I'm not even a "they need to be virgin and pure idols" kind of guy (hell, half of hololive is married with kids), but I just don't like listening to people talk about their sex life. It's fuckin' weird to talk about it live like that, it just makes me think they're on a Howard Stern like show. It just comes off as gross.

This is the main reason I don't watch vshojo, the handful of streams I did catch almost always had some kind of lewd topic ongoing. Either I had shitty luck or they talk about that shit often, because those were completely random streams weeks apart.
I had the same experience. Every time I check a stream it's either talking about sex, making lewd jokes or lewd innuendos.
The last thing after a day of work I want to hear is how much cum a girl had inside of her body. Hell talk about the buffpup thing. Even if she played it up what did she expect to get out of that? Clout? From now on I will always remember that she is the orgy VTuber and nothing else.
 

blackjack

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Man, I'm glad I just have no real interest in those "lewd" streamers. I'm not even a "they need to be virgin and pure idols" kind of guy (hell, half of hololive is married with kids), but I just don't like listening to people talk about their sex life. It's fuckin' weird to talk about it live like that, it just makes me think they're on a Howard Stern like show. It just comes off as gross.

This is the main reason I don't watch vshojo, the handful of streams I did catch almost always had some kind of lewd topic ongoing. Either I had shitty luck or they talk about that shit often, because those were completely random streams weeks apart.
this is one of those god I hate women moments I have, talk about their sex life on stream to 1000s of viewers but don't have the decency to atleast show how lewd they can get to back up those claims. I mean most of those viewers will see and label them as whores anyways and doing nude vtuber streams for more money and viewers won't change their view on you but at least there will be a mutual benefit where the Vtuber is making a big profit and the viewers enjoy themselves more. Sadly most of the vtubers that dont do this have a pretty high IQ and I have like 2 of those on my list or maybe 3 if I go for the ones that are actually diagnosed with autism.
 

BoobaciousDood

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This is the main reason I don't watch vshojo, the handful of streams I did catch almost always had some kind of lewd topic ongoing. Either I had shitty luck or they talk about that shit often, because those were completely random streams weeks apart.
Honestly that's been an issue with them for as long as I can remember. Hell, some of them literally had this issue even before Vjosho was a thing and they never bothered breaking out of it. Silver and Mel cannot go a single stream without making dick jokes or innuendos like they think it's hilariously original.
All in all I think VSJ should just disband or downsize to the creators they care about
I doubt the group will last another year or two. From the beginning it was obvious the girls never cared about making an actual vtubing agency and it shows by how most of them keep drifting towards doing their own thing instead of collabing like other agencies do and never do anything with the brand name besides using it on social media tags. I'm willing to bet they had the "friend group starts a band cause they think it'll be cool" mindset when they decided to start Vjosho then they realized how much it sucks after getting tired of hanging around each other. Hell, iirc Zen and Mel didn't even want to join the group in the first place.
 

Lost Branch

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I had the same experience. Every time I check a stream it's either talking about sex, making lewd jokes or lewd innuendos.
The last thing after a day of work I want to hear is how much cum a girl had inside of her body. Hell talk about the buffpup thing. Even if she played it up what did she expect to get out of that? Clout? From now on I will always remember that she is the orgy VTuber and nothing else.
I do want to say just so no one acts like I don't know. I know some of the hololive girls make sex jokes, but it's only occasionally and they're actually funny because it's either a pun thing or some kind of joke about the situation (like those animated shorts they do). To what you said though, I do feel the same, what was the point of talking about it? What are you gaining? How does this help your career as a vtuber? It's like they don't put any thought into what they may be doing in 5 years.
this is one of those god I hate women moments I have, talk about their sex life on stream to 1000s of viewers but don't have the decency to atleast show how lewd they can get to back up those claims. I mean most of those viewers will see and label them as whores anyways and doing nude vtuber streams for more money and viewers won't change their view on you but at least there will be a mutual benefit where the Vtuber is making a big profit and the viewers enjoy themselves more. Sadly most of the vtubers that dont do this have a pretty high IQ and I have like 2 of those on my list or maybe 3 if I go for the ones that are actually diagnosed with autism.
This goes into what I just said, if this is the image you want to present to thousands of people, then just fuckin' own it or something. Use it to make money for yourself so you further cement your career as a vtuber. Don't pretend you're still some "pure idol" type or whatever after you told everyone you drink cum every morning or whatever. You, as a vtuber, don't even have to worry about degrading your real self or endangering your real self by doing so, because it's not actually you, it's your avatar and whatever voice you use. I do give it to those that do make it apart of their regular thing because it's just another revenue source. It's not for me, but there are plenty of others fully willing to purchase that content.

Now, if that's not the image you want to present or want to change it from that, then don't talk about that shit. Don't participate in those collabs where those topics will come up, but if you do or you're forced to by your company, just say something else. Don't cave to peer pressure just because others have zero shame. If you want to present an image, then you need to be consistent.
 

Sliding

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if this is the image you want to present to thousands of people, then just fuckin' own it or something
I think I've said it before, but this is why Shylily is my favorite western vtuber. I'm pretty sure that if Lando did his segment on vtubers half a year later than he did, then his example would've been Shylily instead of Saruei.
 

NretsewThePerv

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I mean can I post porn links of their Vtuber models getting fucked by dudes here? Reason I ask is I got in trouble for posting a link here of Froot's IRL nudes.

would have to ask @Halo if the porn ban has been lifted and to confirm but I think you can link it as long as it dont show NSFW in a thumbnail or in a way that's hosted on the site. i dont think there would be an issue with linking to NSFW that's off-site but Halo can chime in if im wrong


some what on the topic (i skimmed this convo) I recall when Mel was hot off the press and everyone was talking about her as she was one of the first real NSFW Vtubers in 3D doing the kinda things she was doing. however, once the novelty wore off for me at least she become super boring. as it was really just the same content and personality over and over again. now I stopped watching so I dont know if that's changed since then, but imo what I was hoping for was to see more lewd Vtubers spring up after mel opened the gate for it. to cover different fetishes, kinks and personality types. sadly i dont think that's really materialized...

over on the JP side, there are heaps of R18 Vtubers doing all kinds of ASMR and roleplay-style content. even for more extreme fetishes like ryona. most of them only tend to post over on their ci-en tho. but the point is at least over in JP there is a market for that kinda content. but it's not something that seems to have taken over in the west outside of Mel

so yea. id like more lewd content. just with some more variety outside of "hahaha house cock lmao im lewd lol hentai hahaha"
 

Lost Branch

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You not wrong at all about the JP side of things and fetishs. I've stumbled upon some extremely niche "asmr" stuff just through YT recommend. Those JP indies do some crazy shit. VS could probably learn a thing or two from them.
 

NretsewThePerv

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You not wrong at all about the JP side of things and fetishs. I've stumbled upon some extremely niche "asmr" stuff just through YT recommend. Those JP indies do some crazy shit. VS could probably learn a thing or two from them.

I have a theory that part of it is the JP indies tend to want to fill a niche either cuz they feel there is a hole in that market or what's more likely is they themselves are into and enjoy producing that kind of content. and due to the fact they can use places outside of western sites (Patreon etc) and can instead use places like Ci-en and fantia to both host and receive payment for their work, they are a lot less restricted in terms of what they can do. its like they are in their own JP bubble that offers them more freedom to profit off what they enjoy than the west.

whereas when you compare a lot of western "NSFW" tubers you tend to note they are a term id like to coin as "safe lewd". sure they will joke about hentai and house cock/tentacles etc. but it's always within the realms of what semi normies have considered "ok" to do. I can think of very few that would go so far as to talk about how they want to get bent over a table and choked the fuck out (think there was a holo or niji JP girl I recall who flat-out liked and retweeted fan art like this saying they where super into it). they tend to stick to "safe" non-offensive fetishes like yandere or femdom, or meme ones like the above house cock/tentacles. and I think this is both to appeal to more people and also might have something to do with what they can and can not get away with on both streaming platforms and fan payment sites.

this is not to say said "safe lewd" tubers dont in fact enjoy the content they make or are indeed into the stuff they talk about. I just get the feeling they are limited in scope due to outside factors that could make them more like their JP counterparts
 

Lost Branch

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Yeah, I don't see too many of the western ones doing something like shoving a microphone up their vagina, swallowing the mic, or hell, role-playing them being brutally raped and beaten.

If any of VS, hell, just any well known western tuber did that, there would be a full freak out on twatter. If anyone in VS did that, they'd probably get kicked out or heavily reprimanded. That's what is apart of the problem too. Too many taboos that they can't touch due to "optics."
 

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would have to ask @Halo if the porn ban has been lifted and to confirm but I think you can link it as long as it dont show NSFW in a thumbnail or in a way that's hosted on the site. i dont think there would be an issue with linking to NSFW that's off-site but Halo can chime in if im wrong
bans been over for a while + i don't think these guys are lolis so would've been chill anyway.

should prolly clarify that in an announcement :zt-think:
 

NretsewThePerv

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bans been over for a while + i don't think these guys are lolis so would've been chill anyway.

should prolly clarify that in an announcement :zt-think:

might be a good idea for people out of the loop, dont know why else blackjack would get told off for postin froots irl lewds for that outside maybe it falling under dox? but if these chicks are posting everything under the same name with no opsec can it really be a dox at that point?

its your call end of the day
 
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