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guess I am not the only one that notices. I think exoelul's vtuber company might be serious competition for them at this rate.
 

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did the numbers for Vshojo
average viewers that watched 2022 - 2023
ironmouse 9274 = 8187 -13%
zentreya 3917 = 4160 +6%
Froot 2855 = 2368 -20.5%
Haruka 2602 = 2326 -11.9%
Geega 596 = 1,845 +309%
Projekt Melody 2989 = 2316 -23%

Hime is nonexistant, others stream majorly on youtube or have started this year. Its hard to tell if they grew because Geega started doing more and more collabs with Vshojo members before joining Vshojo. Rather if no one likes this or not but I have no idea how many nijisanji or VOMs fan viewership they grabbed from hiring Henya, Kuro and Matara. I am assuming dont care if they look like the blackbeard pirates of one piece, its hard to tell if there was a gain in new average viewerships or not.

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I get Vei's excuse to not collab is she barely streams herself, but I have noticed barely anyone else including nyanners and the rest of vshojo excluding mel and henya dont want anything to do with filian. The only difference I see that Filian has from ironmouse, nyanners and vei is she doesnt make her assumed BF Rekson an everyday part of her life like they are some pimps as the only assumed reason why they might not like filian.


Phase connect undoubtedly grew, nijisanji sunk and hololiive viewership I am assuming took a dip from some major members barely streaming (some graduated) even when they got new waves of vtubers. Only thing I wish for VAllure was for that company to use both platforms than youtube.
 

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It is interesting to see how many have dropped, but I would need more stats than the average. Some of these streamers could do at most one stream every two months and have a massive average at the end.
One good one to look at is Chibi. Her CCV was only 2.8%, but look at her YT as an example:
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2023 was a great year on that front!
 

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From the Vtubers I watched I think I have an idea why some of them took huge plummets and why others felt barely effected from those listed average viewer numbers.

-Vei and Nyanners plummet are self-explanatory, lesser streams, make all their content more about their BFs than having the same creativity they had before focused on themselves.

-Snuffy had consistent timeframe streams in 2022, but in 2023 it was all over the place which usually makes your audience search for someone else to watch. Whatever made her change her schedule was important enough for her not caring about losing 35% of her audience (huge profit decrease) which raises speculation that her situation is sort of like nyanners and vei.(2023 could be because of barely hanging out with OTK but they were still barely involved)

-Froot although did not plummet as bad as Vei, nyanners and snuffy still took a significant decrease which could be because of certain rumors spreading since her content in 2022 was no different than it was in 2023.

-Silvervale is sort of like a mystery because she was barely affected despite barely streaming like nyanners and vei. Hogwarts drama I assumed a huge left wing audience left her, leaving Vshojo I assumed the vshojo fanbase left her. Then of course asmongolds raids boosted her viewerships but the difference being she is not all over his dick like some other 2 vtubers despite dropping hints that they have some pretty well-known communication between themselves. It is assumed that Silvervale has a dedicated community, because she is very involved in things like hanging out in her discord and playing games with her fan base from what I heard.

These are shining examples of those that took plummets and those being barely affected. Maybe some future vtubers that plan on going big will take some notes from it. It looks like everyone got their ass kicked in 2023 but we can't assume Vshojo didn't possibly grow because I am sure some members have brought over VOMS and nijisanjis fanbase over with them to Vshojo.
 

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Like it or not Vtubing took a big hit on 2023, as the novelty is gone for most.

- Vei & Nyanners had big numbers as streamers, so it is no surprise that with less streams, they took the heaviest hit of all. Snuffy was just going down the same road, even if not as popular as them. At this point, they may just have decided to be done, for their own personal reasons (relationship as the most likely), with the required consistance in streamers/influencers so they can still be on the map of a short attention span audience. And newer and freshly Vtubers are taking the slack for their own benefits. After all, entertainment is a competitive market. You snooze, you lose.

- Froot may not be hit harder because some people just like drama and gossips - and she (with her mother) provides in that department.

- As for Silver, she is just that overly-specialised streamer, more for a niche audience than mainstream (that ship sailed long ago while she was in VShojo). So her lack of 'big' lost may be more because she had her fall/door closed from that hype way before the others, so she was never able to rose at their level in the first place. I don't think Asmon seldom raids were consistent enough to actually make a difference - but it could have helped. For the communication department; they are gamers and engage in the gaming community. But yes, her involvement on discord seems to be what is keeping her afloat - but again - if there is no new blood coming in as her aging audience move on with their lives, her downfall will be a sure thing, just a slower one compared to others.

The only notes to take when going big is the requirement to be always consistent, even if there is no immediate rewards, until that breakthrought. and make most out of the breach. Then, it is navigating properly the drama as more people are involved as audience/partners/collaborators means more issues, more stupidity and more wasteful shenanigans (this the Vshojo and ex girls were pretty much the notes to take from).
 

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I also feel bad for Projekt Melody taking a big hit and I think she might take a bigger hit than Nyanners, Snuffy and Vei, eventually falling harder than Nazuna.

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She use to be a 10k+ andy on chaturbate and the recent streams I saw she seemed to be like a 4k andy and of course charts showing she dropped to 23% in CCV on Twitch. To her luck, current EN adult vtubers are either complete dog shit, barely stream, barely sexually appealing models, or current sexual content doesn't grab a huge audience.

>hard to enjoy GFE with vtubers like cottontail who gets porked RTX style along with oppaipantsuu and kumbomb because it's not really a huge audience grabber.
-Mira streams like 3 times a year on CB.
-Snuffy, Sinder and Silvervale retired in one year doing bare minimum lewd content and still got a giant group of paypigs to always come back to and no using 3d pictures and videos without your lewd audios or voice doesn't count as lewd vtubing.
-el_xox is a hard worker but has a shit annoying unattractive personality to her.
-Saruei probably just re-uses her moans on new animations, and they get tiresome without anything new and lewd by repeatedly using the same style.

This is basically Mel's competition, but if VAllure manages to find 5 talents that have the hot vtuber models, hot personality and hot voices similar to silvervale, sinder, snuffy, froot, shylily, numi, anny, squchan, momotexx, amano serafi, erina from phase connect, Saruei and Vei(before BF yab) who are willing to do the lewd audios, her chances of surviving along with those existing lewd vtubers listed above would look as grim as this.


The twitch vtubers that i mentioned seem more like GFE to me but use 1-5% of their lewd power level in having 100s of coomers willing to throw away 100s of dollars. But luckily for Mel she has a gold mine next to her or rather an infinity gauntlet she can use against VAllure and that is starting her own lewd vtuber company. Her bisexual power would be great in selecting female talent. I remember there was a graph that showed she made like 300k from twitch before and that is not counting her patreon and CB cash. If VAllure invested with like 70k she has more than enough cash, connections and huge publicity to draw a bigger talent pool. If she does nothing but stays on the same path for 6 months than she better pray and cross her fingers exoelul finds shit talent that are not on silvervale, sinder, snuffy, froot, shylily, numi, anny, squchan, momotexx, amano serafi, erina from phase connect, Saruei and Vei(before BF yab) level that are willing to do consistent GFE streams and lewd audio content. There are alot of signs and evidence that Mel has a Jew background, so I am confident she saved her money and won't pass this once in a lifetime opportunity to own a small lewd vtuber that can make her a lot of money then choosing a road where she might lose a lot of money. Depending how powerful VAllure might grow (they already have like 6 4chan threads with bump limits reached even though the company still has to debut in 6 months) they can also threaten her peers depending how many gen waves they will release along with possibility of moving to Twitch.

she can also keep the lewd vtubers on youtube so her friends on twitch don't feel threatened as well.
 

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KSON rigger is following Selen so after pomus graduation announcement we might expect pomu and selen to join Vshojo.
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the nijisanji joining Vshojo has become a wide spread meme now. Not enough details if hololive is hiring since its hard to interpret what pomu and kiara are talking about.
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but I still think both will join Vshojo
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You know its bad when the 2 battered wives of the company are leaving (too many flags for selen now). I was thinking maybe hololive but then I realized Selen streams with flesh vtubers and had brief drama with unicorns about ac1dreignz and nocturnal and considering how close pomu is to selen they would probably join a similar company which narrows it down to you know who.

Rosemi rumours as well but doubt she would join phase connect.
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I will do the numbers thing one more time since I am intrigued, so let's enjoy a bunch of graphs.

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2020
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nyanners=2185
Vei=838.5
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nyanners=8247.5
Vei = 5262

The 2022 and 2023 charts are up here anyways. the 1st 5 months for Nyanners in 2020 sucked but something changed later for her to pick up more viewers and I cant decide if that was a change of content, streaming hours or time schedule. Early january 2020 mouse was a 2 view on average but a change of content, time schedule or more streams made her pick up more average viewers, Vei did something in march 2020 which was either more streams, time schedule or change of content. it was a close raise between nyanners and ironmouse but mouse takes 2020, both have like 2 in half times more average views then Vei that year.

All of them started to incline in 2021 with nyanners havlng like a 1000 point lead on iron mouse and vei was 2000 away from mouse and like 3000 away from nyanners. I think very early 2022 was the early start time that Vei and Nyanners were getting BFs.(which effects their growth) and even so Vei took the lead in 2022 beating mouse by like 300 average CCV and nyanners took a little dive to 7757 CCV. Then of course ironmouse takes 2023 because it is nearly impossible to catch Vei streaming, nyanners slightly did lesser streams but both of their contents were based on being their BFs accessories.

A true genuine friend of ironmouse would tell her that her content sucks. Vei and Nyanners did not have a YT friend like Connor to shill their content and barely tried to collab with flesh streamers like sykunno and have rare collabs with xqc and moistkritical in the reddit pixel war shit, QSMP, etc. Also, they don't have a terminal medical condition to shill for pity points to draw audiences, very sure they streamed less then her and still they manage to curb stomp her head to the pavement with the question of whether or not they took Vtubing seriously as ironmouse. Even with the luck of oh thank god nyanners and vei are not as serious as me or they would kick my ass, there was also hate and contempt shown when Fillian or Pippas names were brought up to her on her streams. Anyone that suggests Mel start a lewd vtuber company (men have huge tastes in different women, melody can't cover everything by herself) on the side and that she can still stream and tell ironmouse that her content sucks after 2020 even if she got excessively shilled more is a true friend to them that won't lie to their faces.

Edit: nyanners and aethel roasting nijisanji. https://files.catbox.moe/h2czlm.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/gwvvgj.mp4
 
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I would not say that this is Pekora low key dissing ironmouse, but Pekora seems to only acknowledge the youtube and twitch streaming platform on who is the most watched female streamer as an award then the mythics awards hosted by Filian.

edit: thought this would be funnier.

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Edit Again: I seriously need to stop drinking and using the internet.
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Think anyone should know better by now to not work for a company with a CEO that has the 2010 justin bieber haircut.
 
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It is interesting to see how many have dropped, but I would need more stats than the average. Some of these streamers could do at most one stream every two months and have a massive average at the end.
One good one to look at is Chibi. Her CCV was only 2.8%, but look at her YT as an example:
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2023 was a great year on that front!
Chibi has the MASSIVE benefit of investing into a DEDICATED video editor for ALL of her streams. A lot of vtubers pretty much lose THOUSANDS of dollars in income because they're too lazy or cheap to spend money on editors to OFFICIALLY comp their streams into an edible format for non-stream viewers.

It was one of Nyanner's biggest strengths back in the day, she paid out to have her content brought to people who don't have hours to sit through streams.

That and Chibi's got the benefit of /usually/ staying out of trouble. Only rrat she has if I recall is her trying to say she isn't a lolituber.
 

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Chibi has the MASSIVE benefit of investing into a DEDICATED video editor for ALL of her streams. A lot of vtubers pretty much lose THOUSANDS of dollars in income because they're too lazy or cheap to spend money on editors to OFFICIALLY comp their streams into an edible format for non-stream viewers.

It was one of Nyanner's biggest strengths back in the day, she paid out to have her content brought to people who don't have hours to sit through streams.

That and Chibi's got the benefit of /usually/ staying out of trouble. Only rrat she has if I recall is her trying to say she isn't a lolituber.
Yeah that is a big plus that not many (even corpos) take advantage of. My only problem is, that her thumbnails are kinda samey and just blend into eachother.
 

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she paid out to have her content brought to people who don't have hours to sit through streams.
what do you mean by paid out? It pains me to say this as an ex-vshojo fan to a hater, but she actually has talent. 2012 she was talked alot about on 4chan with lilypichu and katya lischina for some reason, then started a youtube channel and had a talent for singing and her growth was self earned in 2020 on twitch when she was a 3 view vtuber.

Some RRATS on Kuro I guess.
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Misan

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what do you mean by paid out?
He means that Nyanner, as a Youtuber prior to her Vtubing career, was certainly paying an editor for her videos and was still doing it. Which is a common practice for many successful Youtubers to pay an editor (or even a team of editors) for a while now.

And that a lot of Vtubers aren't taking this business lesson about success to heart and they are probably missing on an opportunity to expand their audience.

After all, not reaching out to people just for not being able to follow a stream for hours do prevent a wider the mouth to ear marketing process to be done with more benefits.
 

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The only vtuber I am seeing change for the better or undergoing a metamorphosis right now is Froot. She is streaming more then usual, collabs with people more and has more song covers planned., playinng different games other then apex for a while which is why her CCV also got boosted to like 3k-4k. I know that froot and aethel for like the past year always had the same numbers like 1.8k-2.2k average CCV whenever they streamed. The sad part is Vei just does not want to stream more while nyanners and aethel are not changing the style of their streams to bump up their CCV like they need a new gig then the BF/GF shit. Besides here, I was also shit posting the graphs on 4chan /lig/, /vsj/ and /pmg/ and I am assuming aethel might have caught wind of that because nyanners kept inclining big on CCV in 2021, before it began to plummet in early 2022 dating aethel. I am assuming that might have made him feel insecure enough to show this on his stream.
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Aethel showing off how much money his current merch drop has made so far. (This is before manufacturing cuts and MSM Talent cuts.) The reason why this might cause alot of drama is that I think he is the only Twitch Vtuber that did this AFAIK. But I am sure this stunt that he pulled he might get a lot of pissed off DMs from other twitch Vtubers because most of the 4chan comments were saying if a male Vtuber made that much imagine how much a 4 View female Vtuber would make on merchandise. It basically makes it look like current big twitch Vtubers make enough money to the point that they use 100 dollar bills to wipe their ass.

Twitch has shown how much money some twitch Vtubers had made and their paychecks which have ranged from 100k-300k a year and of course that is not counting their merch and some having patreon pages. I think at this point they should stop talking about shit like I moved from a town house to an apartment or being temporarily homeless getting kicked out of an Air BnB when they have enough income to make a 1st day reservation to a 5-star hotel while hiring male gigolos to run a train on them for a night with the amount of simp money they made. To make matters only slightly worse (besides brandishing your wealth to others who might be unfortunate) he said to his audience i can't believe you are real people when he said he saw real names so saying shit like that might make your merch consumers out of fear of doxx not want to purchase your merchandise.

I have seen some vtubers change for the better or worse, but man I think some people need guidance.
 

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Well it looks like Pomu will join later, Lets see if Selen or rather dokibird talks about enrolling in college next like Pomu.
 

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It looks like Vshojo is at it again silencing small YT creators.

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If Rebecca is a schizo I wonder if the blowing money on crypto, running from the UK to indonesia to avoid 300k and mocking a fan for being poor parts are true or out of context if Vshojo is silencing her anyways.

Wonder if a Youtube content creator can get away with making a title called "how much do twitch vtubers make "without copy right strikes by.
1) https://twitchpayouts.com/ giving screenshots of their salaries
2) thanks to aethel opening up pandoras box by making himself sadly look like a D-bag by using his screenshot for his estimated merchandise for a week before they took cuts from it and hyping up female twitch vtubes more then likely making more.
3) talk about some fansly, patreon, OF, YT(using subs from other YTs that have disclosed their income before), and CB earnings as a bonus.
4) make a conclusion that vtubers that talk about being temporarily homeless, living in a apartment, grew up in the hood, etc to not take them too serious that they are financially starving to make a living.

If a decent 100k+ viewership goes out talking about it might hit tem harder than going after their oilers usernames and making traces to their social media accounts while disclosing information to them that might make them change paths as a possibility. Besides Nijisanji disclosing 2% on merch I dont think other vtubers from other companies have disclosed their financial situation.
 
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