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grapedApe

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More retardation from the official podcast, jackson and kaya spew their usual anti-loli bile, the australian wanting it made illegal everywhere and whatever the fuck kaya is acting like I respect his rejection of the reasons why loli is good and legal.

https://www.youtube dot com/watch?v=R-C2UUVOtQA

On kinkymation I'll keep enjoying her works by yarring them as I've done since the day I discovered the name kinkymation. She gets to continue being a stupid bitch, I get to enjoy her works without visiting her patreon, a win to me. If you feel like tossing some shit at her then point out how she's drawn R34 of Kotone Shiomi and Ann Takamaki who are 16-17, that's not legal everywhere if she wants to apply retarded logic to cartoons.
 

Spider-Cunt

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i like seeing a bunch of these twitter retards cope and seethe when it comes to lolicon and say they have sources only to link a screenshot from a totally unbiased outdated source. well...wait till we tell them ours. for some advice, i would recommend 3 people who are in the field regarding the culture surrounding manga and anime that will absolutely destroy these people's arguments in seconds.

Firstly is a man by the name of Patrick Galbraith who has made books studying the otaku culture and has made a infamous article in defense of lolicon dubbed "The Reality of 'virtual child pornography' in japan." the man is absolutely articulated as to how he covers and dissects the subject.
Lolicon: The reality of 'Virtual child pornography' in Japan

second would have to be, a woman by the name of Kotani Mari. She is a respected Feminist scholar and possibly one of the very first cosplayers in history who has been a long time fan herself of anime and manga itself.

And lastly, a man by the name of saito tamaki: a psychologist in Japan. I recommend reading his book called "beautiful fighting girls and otaku sexuality." He's one of the many who are very vocal and put heavy emphasis as to how it is the average weeb can distinguish reality and fantasy. If anything, people should probably learn more about him- possibly one of the most smartest people in terms of otaku theory research.
Tamaki Saito's book

These three alone are enough sources to manhandle the brainrot of these nigger faggots on twitter who are constantly moaning over the fact that lolicon is just simply not illegal and it will never be. unless you are British.
 
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Spider-Cunt

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More retardation from the official podcast, jackson and kaya spew their usual anti-loli bile, the australian wanting it made illegal everywhere and whatever the fuck kaya is acting like I respect his rejection of the reasons why loli is good and legal.
Was moist based at least like last time? when he somewhat defended the fact that lolicon has always been a thing in vtubing and taking it away would be dumb, etc.
 

ZX-Gear9881

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I would honestly consider Null and a good amount of KiwiFarmers to be as retarded as Twitter Folk about it.

They just have the social backing that Twittertards do. Honestly,it is funny how some of these dumbasses use pics of what they consider CP to use as a Gotcha.

Kinda a self-own.
 

Spider-Cunt

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I would honestly consider Null and a good amount of KiwiFarmers to be as retarded as Twitter Folk about it.

They just have the social backing that Twittertards do. Honestly,it is funny how some of these dumbasses use pics of what they consider CP to use as a Gotcha.

Kinda a self-own.
While i do think null is based, i do think that his takes on anime and vtubers for that regard are very faggoty which really surprises me. But then again, Anime as a whole is just simply too based for the west. meanwhile its thriving very well in indonesia and well accepted. Even Mexico loves the shit out of it.
 

Alys

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She'll constantly deride Hoyoverse for the existence of loli characters like Nahida and Yaoyao in Genshin Impact. Yet despite pointing fingers at these companies, obviously accusing them of you-know-what, she and her cult will happily play their games while tossing money their direction and continue to produce content based on their IP's. Textbook two-faced behavior, right there. They're not fans. They're parasites.
Sadly that's how it is. A lot of these people don't actually care, they just act like they have to care about this shit. They hate it and want anyone who likes it to burn in the fiery pits of hell ---- but that's not gonna stop them from enjoying and supporting it. They'll gladly support the game they claim has pedophilia in it, while being against lolicon. It's... An interesting choice.
 

grapedApe

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Was moist based at least like last time? when he somewhat defended the fact that lolicon has always been a thing in vtubing and taking it away would be dumb, etc.
He didn't say anything pro or against loli (same for andrew/huggbees), it was basically 50+ mins of jackson and kaya being dumbasses then moving on to talking about madame web.
 

MagnumBlitZ

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Sadly that's how it is. A lot of these people don't actually care, they just act like they have to care about this shit. They hate it and want anyone who likes it to burn in the fiery pits of hell ---- but that's not gonna stop them from enjoying and supporting it. They'll gladly support the game they claim has pedophilia in it, while being against lolicon. It's... An interesting choice.
Bastards...all of them. Natural selection can't come quick enough as I always say.
 

ZX-Gear9881

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While i do think null is based, i do think that his takes on anime and vtubers for that regard are very faggoty which really surprises me. But then again, Anime as a whole is just simply too based for the west. meanwhile its thriving very well in indonesia and well accepted. Even Mexico loves the shit out of it.
Null has been shitting out some shit takes lately that even watchers of his have called him out on.

It started with his shit take on siding with HBomberGuy against Internet Historian whilst also saying the concept of Intellectual Property is gay.

I believe Copyright Laws have done NOTHING to help creatives at all but Null flip flopping his supposed stance to side with a Breadtuber who would see to his site being Queen Keffal'd is a dumb move.

Then there is Null being a simp especially for broken fatherless young women. One of his latest MATI podcasts had him side with a Gymthot who broke the No Streaming rule of the gym and he is surprised someone who may or may not own the gym when he couldn't get her to step down quietly just stomped on the dumb witch's phone. Null sure went hard to suck that girl dick.

Best part,he even admitted that it is most likely fake but he treated it like it was reap and took the bait. I kinda hope his lawsuit turns out as well as Vic Mignognia's. Same with Rekieta. We must sacrifice the SlobberMutt to the Corn,after all.
 

ninja8tyu

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I see, thats pretty dissapointing her art seems very good
is it? i know i'm an artist and i'm not supposed to say this, but she's probably already said a lot of hot shit on what others have drawn, so tbh, her art isn't appealing

literally draws tumblr nose and has that tell on her style that she's an anti

i'm not sure how to describe the tell on every anti's artstyle other than tumblr vibes, but the nose is the first easy tell and rather guaranteed because i haven't seen any examples of tumblr nose that weren't drawn by someone trying to lop their dick or tits off

and like, it feels like it takes inspiration from a show or shows, mainly from things troons have latched onto, like BNA, Steven Universe, Amazing World of Gumball, MHA, Undertale, Persona, etc etc
 

MagnumBlitZ

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is it? i know i'm an artist and i'm not supposed to say this, but she's probably already said a lot of hot shit on what others have drawn, so tbh, her art isn't appealing

literally draws tumblr nose and has that tell on her style that she's an anti

i'm not sure how to describe the tell on every anti's artstyle other than tumblr vibes, but the nose is the first easy tell and rather guaranteed because i haven't seen any examples of tumblr nose that weren't drawn by someone trying to lop their dick or tits off

and like, it feels like it takes inspiration from a show or shows, mainly from things troons have latched onto, like BNA, Steven Universe, Amazing World of Gumball, MHA, Undertale, Persona, etc etc
You know the funny part? Now that you mention it, the way she drew the nose, or hell, the faces for that matter was one of the things that drew me to her work. I found her art style to be a touch unique compared to others that I've seen.

But you're right about her work not being appealing. At least not as it used to be back in the day. Especially in regards to how she decided to draw breasts going forward. Ugh...tried my best to look past that shit, but fuck it. I can safely say with 100% certainty that there are artists out there infinitely times better than whatever slop Kinkymation puts together.

Afrobull, Lewdamone, Snegovski, and Lainart, to name a few. Though I've been keeping my distance with those guys and many other artists/animators I follow after getting burned by Kinkymation so fucking badly.
 

RaidouPanda

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If you find an artist who draws underage characters or approaches the line when it comes to this stuff, and they're still relatively popular, the last thing you should be doing is drawing attention to it. The moment you ask them to take a public stance on it, you're forcing them to stake their career and survival on that stance, and their only option will be to course correct to the more PR safe option so they don't get attacked and have their payment processing cancelled or worse. If you want them to keep making the content you enjoy, the best course of action is just to quietly enjoy it while you can. I know hypocrisy can be frustrating, but the last response you should ever give to someone not being willing to draw a character for being too young is "but you drew this other character that's also underage!" That's not going to work. All you'd be doing with that argument is narrowing the window of what's acceptable even further by drawing attention to it.

This isn't in reference to any specific situation, just something I find happens a lot.
 

RaidouPanda

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So...what? We should just leave these monkeys to continue acting self-righteous because their reputation would be at risk otherwise?

Nah, fuck that. Either shit or actually make good on what the fuck you're preaching.
I don't mean people who are already acting self-righteous. They're a lost cause. I mean not provoking people who aren't, and are still drawing borderline stuff, into having to. And the reason isn't because their reputation would be at risk, but because it's a losing battle and will just make things worse for everyone who enjoys that kind of content by making it the subject of the conversation. It's almost universally better to change the subject as soon as possible whenever loli stuff comes up in normie spaces, because the longer the conversation drags on and the more people get dragged into it, the more the most thought-terminating moralized positions drown everything else out.
 

Hexasheep93

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I don't mean people who are already acting self-righteous. They're a lost cause. I mean not provoking people who aren't, and are still drawing borderline stuff, into having to. And the reason isn't because their reputation would be at risk, but because it's a losing battle and will just make things worse for everyone who enjoys that kind of content by making it the subject of the conversation. It's almost universally better to change the subject as soon as possible whenever loli stuff comes up in normie spaces, because the longer the conversation drags on and the more people get dragged into it, the more the most thought-terminating moralized positions drown everything else out.
This isnt about "provoking" artists who dont draw loli, there's plenty of artist that dont and dont go out of their way to act all morally superior because of that.

This is about calling out hypocrisy and treat them to the same standards they treat others

Also the main reason loli gets attacked in normie spaces is because all the people attacking it in the first place, just go look at youtube most videos talking about it are doing so negatively and in bad faith, so of course we are gonna respond.

Many lolicons, me included, follow non-loli artists and, from my personal experience, have never seen a lolicon call out a non loli artist for drawing "underage characters" just out of the blue its always been in response to the artist acting high and mighty about loli.
 

JX475

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This isnt about "provoking" artists who dont draw loli, there's plenty of artist that dont and dont go out of their way to act all morally superior because of that.

This is about calling out hypocrisy and treat them to the same standards they treat others

Also the main reason loli gets attacked in normie spaces is because all the people attacking it in the first place, just go look at youtube most videos talking about it are doing so negatively and in bad faith, so of course we are gonna respond.

Many lolicons, me included, follow non-loli artists and, from my personal experience, have never seen a lolicon call out a non loli artist for drawing "underage characters" just out of the blue its always been in response to the artist acting high and mighty about loli.
I can agree, i feel much the same way about fanservice, it's like a weird thing where nobody can be honest about what they like and dislike. Everyone is afraid to say they like loli, they like seeing boobs, they like seeing thick thighs in anime, i would argue Japanese are much more honest about sexuality and tastes than the average person in the West, even those who are hypersexual like the current Trans movement, which should change due to the resurgence of fanservice no longer being negative, and people realizing that it never stops at one thing. It goes to everything like a virus or an infection.

As for normals it's a weird cycle, I keep having a feeling with normal spaces, they parrot things because an authority figure told them as such even if it's dishonest arbitrary like Lollicon = Pedophilia(which is just the main guy outing himself as one). The main faults of this group is usually due to ignorance for example.

1. they do not watch Anime with loli(Kunoichi, Is The Order A Rabbit? etc) or know much about it,
2. they are very superficial people who tend to believe what they are told, they then defend it and do so in bad faith because they know it would hurt their ego and expose them as being a casual who has never watched anime loli
3. know much about loli at all or only has seen the specific scenes shown to them
4. They do not think it's a popular position and they are XYZ if they do not defend themselves. Which is rare that is Stockholm syndrome at its worst.

The only way around it is to tell them to watch loli anime and make fun of them for not doing so and more video creators need to make real hard hitting videos about lollicon's history of liking cute girls and it just being an aesthetic like all other things. Make it less stigmatized than it is now, they have evidence from numerous anime series, numerous examples that it's not always about lolicon being hentai material, but an actual genre of things.
 
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RaidouPanda

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This isnt about "provoking" artists who dont draw loli, there's plenty of artist that dont and dont go out of their way to act all morally superior because of that.

This is about calling out hypocrisy and treat them to the same standards they treat others

Also the main reason loli gets attacked in normie spaces is because all the people attacking it in the first place, just go look at youtube most videos talking about it are doing so negatively and in bad faith, so of course we are gonna respond.

Many lolicons, me included, follow non-loli artists and, from my personal experience, have never seen a lolicon call out a non loli artist for drawing "underage characters" just out of the blue its always been in response to the artist acting high and mighty about loli.
Even then, is calling out hypocrisy to their face and making a big show of it ever actually productive? Has there ever been a single artist who, upon being told "you say you hate loli, but you drew this underage character" replied with "oh, you're right. I guess I am okay with loli after all"? No, worst case, they take down the other image, best case, they call you stupid and ignore you, because their position isn't formed from logic, it's formed socially. As someone who cares more about art that I like existing and continuing to be made than about dunking on self-righteous artists, it never makes sense to draw attention to it. If you're just shitting on them in private, it's fine, but drawing attention to it is never a good idea, in my opinion.

It happens all the time with mods too. Some mod gets taken down. Everyone gets in an uproar and says "but what about this other mod? Why is that one allowed?" Then the other one just gets taken down too. The reverse has never happened.
 

Hexasheep93

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Even then, is calling out hypocrisy to their face and making a big show of it ever actually productive? Has there ever been a single artist who, upon being told "you say you hate loli, but you drew this underage character" replied with "oh, you're right. I guess I am okay with loli after all"? No, worst case, they take down the other image, best case, they call you stupid and ignore you, because their position isn't formed from logic, it's formed socially. As someone who cares more about art that I like existing and continuing to be made than about dunking on self-righteous artists, it never makes sense to draw attention to it. If you're just shitting on them in private, it's fine, but drawing attention to it is never a good idea, in my opinion.

It happens all the time with mods too. Some mod gets taken down. Everyone gets in an uproar and says "but what about this other mod? Why is that one allowed?" Then the other one just gets taken down too. The reverse has never happened.
If you truly believe that staying quiet is going to do any good then I got a bridge I want to sell you.

Seriously. Look at this latest drama, with vaush, was it caused from a lolicon calling him out? No and believe me we did it multiple times, it was caused because his political opponents on the right saw an avenue of attack. If we had stayed quiet things would have been a lot worse. Or how about that drama with tectone if we had stayed quiet he would have gotten away with harrassing that other youtuber.
The same with artists if they make a stink about loli and we stay quiet then thats just gonna tell people that no one is disputing their claims

I don't mean to judge your character but this attitude of yours is quite defeatist. You are free to stay out of the drama. It is taxing and most of the time it feels like talking to walls. I myself barely get involved nowadays. But dont go and try to spread your black pill to others, telling them that if we are quiet they will let us be pinky promise, nonsense.
 

ZX-Gear9881

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This isnt about "provoking" artists who dont draw loli, there's plenty of artist that dont and dont go out of their way to act all morally superior because of that.

This is about calling out hypocrisy and treat them to the same standards they treat others

Also the main reason loli gets attacked in normie spaces is because all the people attacking it in the first place, just go look at youtube most videos talking about it are doing so negatively and in bad faith, so of course we are gonna respond.

Many lolicons, me included, follow non-loli artists and, from my personal experience, have never seen a lolicon call out a non loli artist for drawing "underage characters" just out of the blue its always been in response to the artist acting high and mighty about loli.
Yeah. I am not a fan of loli stuff myself as I prefer my women to be mid-late 20s but I know that said shit is fiction and the Feds would be pissed or laugh at you for bringing that shot up as evidence.

Like if it is a pic or video of an actual IRL child being abused,call the fucking police and don't fucking clout chase with it. This is a dangerous game and I have seen fucking ONISION get away despite all the evidence cause the clout chasing around him is tampered.

At that point just go up to him and shoot him yourself with how fucked that case is.
 
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