Bep
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lmao, 4k PER SESSION? That is literally 4x the standard union rate I posted at the bottom, that wasn't enough for her? For real?
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Drama Platinum Games v.s. Hellena Taylor: Bayonetta 3, boycotts, nuance and questions
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It's a good thing I waited for more information and didn't immediately jump on the bandwagon to defend her. I knew there was much more to this story, because in her "coming out video" she provided so few details and immediately just tried to call-to-action. For such an audacious act as breaking an NDA (a critical act), she barely revealed anything. She basically lied that she was only offered $4k for the game, when it was $4k per session... talk about slimy, and I bet studios are putting her on blacklists now. Putting aside Hideki Kamiya's... choice approach to handling this situation online, there is some more analysis we can do.
Assuming what Jason Schrier said is correct, $3k-$4k USD per session for 5 sessions is $15k-$20k USD, ONLY for Bayonetta 3. We also have evidence regarding how difficult the work is, and paraphrasing Hellena's own words: It took her four 4-hour sessions, over 4 days to fully voice Bayonetta 2 (EDIT: Link to UK Interview). Here's something RagingGoldenEagle mentioned that I think makes a lot of sense: If you look at the work ethic between her and someone like Vic Mignogna, Vic busts his ass to find MORE voice acting gigs for more pay, and doesn't pull publicity stunts that would put him on blacklists. He also markets himself to find more work, leading to more jobs and garnering a bigger audience. For this one game -Bayonetta 3- that takes multiple years to develop, Hellena wanted more pay when it would have taken her at tops 5 recording days to make (let's low-ball Jason Schrier's reported numbers) $15k USD. That is a dream situation to be in. She should then be going out to find MORE things to voice. As Bep pointed out, her rate with Bayo 3 at $4k USD per session means regular work would be $1k USD per session. So another game, show, or whatever at the standard rate would yield $5k USD.
So if Hellena Taylor actually took the Bayo 3 contract, she would make $15k USD in 5 days (low-balling with $3k USD per session). She would then have to find -at the minimum- 17 more voice acting gigs at the standard rate of $1k per session, taking 5 days each to accomplish, to make $100k USD. This means she does actual voice work a mere 4 hours on only 90 days out of 365 days of a year (~24.65% of a year, a bit less than a quarter). Factoring in potential usage of her track record on Bayonetta, she could premium her costs and cut down on that time. Now, sure, she has to spend time marketing herself in order to find more gigs and that may incur costs (tickets to cons, partnerships, flight tickets, etc.), but that's part of her job as a contractor, unless she finds an agency to market her (I think Hellena is part of a union, which probably holds her down even more).
Let this be a lesson to the YouTubers and social media guys... there was more to the story, and now look where she is. She tried to use the court of public opinion, but the truth broke through to reveal what she did not. Well, if all else fails, she could try moaning into a microphone really well to find voice acting gigs in the adult-only scene. I don't think she will be very welcome in many other studios after pulling this stunt.
EDIT2: According to this article on videogameschronicle.com, they put quotations around wording "at least" when talking about 5 sessions of recording. So she could have actually made more money voicing Bayo 3.
Assuming what Jason Schrier said is correct, $3k-$4k USD per session for 5 sessions is $15k-$20k USD, ONLY for Bayonetta 3. We also have evidence regarding how difficult the work is, and paraphrasing Hellena's own words: It took her four 4-hour sessions, over 4 days to fully voice Bayonetta 2 (EDIT: Link to UK Interview). Here's something RagingGoldenEagle mentioned that I think makes a lot of sense: If you look at the work ethic between her and someone like Vic Mignogna, Vic busts his ass to find MORE voice acting gigs for more pay, and doesn't pull publicity stunts that would put him on blacklists. He also markets himself to find more work, leading to more jobs and garnering a bigger audience. For this one game -Bayonetta 3- that takes multiple years to develop, Hellena wanted more pay when it would have taken her at tops 5 recording days to make (let's low-ball Jason Schrier's reported numbers) $15k USD. That is a dream situation to be in. She should then be going out to find MORE things to voice. As Bep pointed out, her rate with Bayo 3 at $4k USD per session means regular work would be $1k USD per session. So another game, show, or whatever at the standard rate would yield $5k USD.
So if Hellena Taylor actually took the Bayo 3 contract, she would make $15k USD in 5 days (low-balling with $3k USD per session). She would then have to find -at the minimum- 17 more voice acting gigs at the standard rate of $1k per session, taking 5 days each to accomplish, to make $100k USD. This means she does actual voice work a mere 4 hours on only 90 days out of 365 days of a year (~24.65% of a year, a bit less than a quarter). Factoring in potential usage of her track record on Bayonetta, she could premium her costs and cut down on that time. Now, sure, she has to spend time marketing herself in order to find more gigs and that may incur costs (tickets to cons, partnerships, flight tickets, etc.), but that's part of her job as a contractor, unless she finds an agency to market her (I think Hellena is part of a union, which probably holds her down even more).
Let this be a lesson to the YouTubers and social media guys... there was more to the story, and now look where she is. She tried to use the court of public opinion, but the truth broke through to reveal what she did not. Well, if all else fails, she could try moaning into a microphone really well to find voice acting gigs in the adult-only scene. I don't think she will be very welcome in many other studios after pulling this stunt.
EDIT2: According to this article on videogameschronicle.com, they put quotations around wording "at least" when talking about 5 sessions of recording. So she could have actually made more money voicing Bayo 3.
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She was washed up anyway, Bayonetta was her only role in over a decade.I don't think she will be very welcome in many other studios after pulling this stunt.
Hellena Taylor | Actress, Additional Crew
Known for: Bayonetta, Bayonetta 2, The Sweetest Thing
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Argh, Jesus, Hellena... $4k per session is fucking amazing and you just fucked yourself instead. Not what I wanted to see from her.
Twittards are so dumb, how the fuck they formed the narrative "Platinum lowballed her, Platinum bad" when a simple search to Hale's portofolio busted that easily. If Platinum is an asshole who tried to exploit and lowballed VA, why the fuck after Taylor declined they went to VA with, arguably, more reputation than Taylor which means higher rates than Taylor instead of you know, unknown VA that has lower rates than Taylor?She was washed up anyway, Bayonetta was her only role in over a decade.
Hellena Taylor | Actress, Additional Crew
Known for: Bayonetta, Bayonetta 2, The Sweetest Thing
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Twittards are so dumb, how the fuck they formed the narrative "Platinum lowballed her, Platinum bad" when a simple search to new Bayonetta VA's portofolio busted that easily. If Platinum is an asshole who tried to exploit and lowballed VA, why the fuck after Taylor declined they went to VA with, arguably, more reputation than Taylor which means higher rates than Taylor instead of you know, unknown VA that has lower rates than Taylor?
CORPORATION BAD WOMAN GOOD or so i imagine their thinking is
>asking for six figures and royalties for a week of work
They should have sent her six Bayo figures and gave her a $1 for each game sold.
They should have sent her six Bayo figures and gave her a $1 for each game sold.
A buck a game? That's a pretty generous royalty. The Bayo franchise barely made profit, so it would eat a lot of that cost recuperation. xD>asking for six figures and royalties for a week of work
They should have sent her six Bayo figures and gave her a $1 for each game sold.
But muh living wage. I don't give a shit about all the other fuckers that worked on the game but as a voice actor, an artist, I deserve a living wage.
Update from Hellena Taylor regarding some accusations about the offer from Platinum.
- Taylor alleges the first offer for the whole game was $10,000 total. After speaking to Kamiya, it was raised to $15,000 (there's a typo in her tweet that says 5,0000).
- She states that $4,000 (total) for five sessions is untrue.
- She denies asking for $250,000, describing herself as a 'team player'.
Hellena Taylor on Twitter: "It has come to my attention that some peo…
archived 24 Oct 2022 06:51:09 UTC
So we at least got a bit more clarification behind the scenes, and she did debunk the headlines that said she was only offered $4,000 for everything (I'll update the OP a little bit to reflect this). Her story now also aligns with the final offer of $15,000 we saw in the Bloomberg interview. The only problem now is that she hasn't explicitly denied the six-figure payment and residuals/royalties. So technically, it can still be anywhere from $100,000 to $249,999.99 for all we know.
EDIT: More tweets.
Hellena Taylor on Twitter: "They are trying to save their asset. Don’…
archived 24 Oct 2022 07:40:18 UTC
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Bep
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To add to this, seems like her source for that 450 million number she keeps stating is none other than vgcharts, an unreliable source at the best of times, and her poor reading of the table. While not stated from her directly, appears to be the only way to even get close to a 450 million figure, even though I think the math on the image provided adds up to like 475 million.
What an idiot, she definitely not helping her bullshit claims.