Discussion The push to replace/heavily imply Otokonoko charachters as trans/non binary is becoming a big problem.

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Spoiler warning for some series , Starting a discussion on the push for traps and otokonoko to be considered trans/Non Binary.

Styner

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I figured it was similar because Ninitendo didn't refer to Shiver as a him or her, which is how Bridget is referred to in some of the promotional material, so I'm assuming Shiver is supposed to be another otoko no ko type character.

It's probably off topic, but the funnier thing is that it'll piss that crowd off no matter what happens. If they use pronouns, "you're destroying non-binary representation!". If Shiver is a otoko no ko, then it can be seen as a straight "relationship" because these people don't know what yaoi/yuri baiting is, so they can only see friendships as an actual relationship (which is how they view Pearl and Marina from 2).
Nintendo confirmed shiver is a woman.

Cringe article but has the fact they reached out and got an answer.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/24/...eep-cut-nonbinary-female-inclusivity-nintendo
 

Lost Branch

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Here's the Splatoon 3 wiki, look at how much they wrote for her:

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You can tell they're really mad about this. They scoured the internet for every little instance to try and prove the non-binary thing.

Personally, considering the language used (uchi/onore), I do believe Shiver was intended be a otokonoko like character, but knowing Nintendo they wouldn't actually commit to that if questioned.
 

Saibrah

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Nintendo's statement confirming Shiver as female put a smile on my face, like a palate cleanser after the frustrating vagueness that is the Bridget situation.

They can type a whole paragraph of copium on the wiki page but they still had to admit the truth in the last sentence there because they straight up cannot argue with an official statement, so good on Nintendo for that.
 

SuRge

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Westerners, particularly Americans, imposing their psycho gay history on the rest of us is really driving me insane.
The history of our gay people are so drastically different and our explorations into sexuality and self-expression led us to different interpretations and paths. It's really insulting for these westie faggots to invalidate our own shit ESPECIALLY when the source, the root of transgender theory, is rooted in some ultra-fucked up shit from the intellectual class imposed downward. Mombot was really right when she said that this is blatant westie sexual imperialism. You'd think there would be more desire for understanding and nuance, more appreciation that there are in fact more interpretations on how to express yourself sexually but for some reason these lunatics think it's a danger or somehow invalidates "them".

Fuck that shit. Let people be fucking gay, be crossdressers and be twink faggots. These people are so lost in the fantasy that they believe it to be "truth" and if it didn't make me so angry, it would be tragic and sad. Their desperation to make people "accept" them to the point of erasing perfectly valid shit like traps, crossdressers and twinks will make them lose what little allies they have left. Lesbians are already fuming because trannies led to the absolute annihilation of lesbian gay bars so losing traps and good ol' homos will make them even more isolated.

I think the push will be more radical, more desperate as time goes on and it will get worse as more and more people are turned off by these lunatics. However, there will be a return to normalcy because less and less people will pander to them as they realize it's becoming socially unacceptable and a financial liability. The only way to fight this is to not give any money to companies that buy into this bullshit cause that's the only language they understand. Sending a few e-mails on how you object to it would also help but that you've got to do it in such a way that uses the progressive political lens against them. Invalidating gay culture, gay men and so-on. Making people who speak out also feel safe will help with the process of returning to normal.

I really hope, much like vidya autists back in 2014, that the Japanese will put up a fight against these woke imperialists. Sick 'n tired of losing ground to these cunts.
 

VidMasterEon

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With the recent confirmation about bridget I worry now that it's going to be used as evidence for more traps being considered trans.
Expect any trap character in a game made by a major company to be tbrown into the gender blender but i think getting independent people like norio to play along is a no go
It will work its way into anime albeit a slower process as the japanese like their traps and will take some time to flush them out
 

Nehir

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Case study: Lily from Zombieland Saga. Fun fact: I once changed my kf profile to "Lily Says 41%!", headline: otokonoko ≠ trans, with a non-lewd picture of Lily as the profile pic and null made angry posts on my profile and made me change my ava. This is the le horrible "loli" that could not be allowed to exist on his site:

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I guess that's why I am slowly becoming fine with loli art existing. Sure it's gross to me (the sexualized stuff), but any anti-loli rules will quickly be used for overreach like no child anime characters in any context, period, bc I don't like it. I might change my mind if there is scientific evidence that loli can encourage real abuse of children. I think there are theories it can fuel the urge but no solid evidence.
 

VidMasterEon

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Case study: Lily from Zombieland Saga. Fun fact: I once changed my kf profile to "Lily Says 41%!", headline: otokonoko ≠ trans, with a non-lewd picture of Lily as the profile pic and null made angry posts on my profile and made me change my ava. This is the le horrible "loli" that could not be allowed to exist on his site:

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I guess that's why I am slowly becoming fine with loli art existing. Sure it's gross to me (the sexualized stuff), but any anti-loli rules will quickly be used for overreach like no child anime characters in any context, period, bc I don't like it. I might change my mind if there is scientific evidence that loli can encourage real abuse of children. I think there are theories it can fuel the urge but no solid evidence.
Lily is a humorous case to me
Your "trans rep" is someone who offed himself because he could not cope with the fact that he is growing up and wont be able to look like a cute girl anymore?
What a great example troons want you to accept them for who they are but cant accept themselves for who they are
 

YakuInTheFlesh

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Lily is a humorous case to me
Your "trans rep" is someone who offed himself because he could not cope with the fact that he is growing up and wont be able to look like a cute girl anymore?
What a great example troons want you to accept them for who they are but cant accept themselves for who they are
I don't even think that troons really watched the show (or any for that matter). They just care what is written in an "official" fan wiki and are happy with that. I bet there could be a character that is trans that spends an entire episode talking about how much of a mistake them trooning out was and they would still flaunt them under the "muh representation" banner.
 

localizersagainstthewall

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God I fucking hate trannies and pronountards so goddamn much. Your personality is not your gender. You are either a boy or a girl, just look between your fucking legs to know what you are. If you as a boy like stuff that is typically considered "for females" or are a girl with "male interests" who gives a shit? Just be yourself. That's just your personality, your gender has nothing to do with it.

But I'm making too much sense here, clearly the more reasonable course of actions is mutilating your body and causing irreversible damage just to pretend that you are something that you are not. Surely you won't regret that later down the line (41% btw). It's funny how everything was about abolishing gender norms not too long ago and now they are actively contradicting themselves by claiming that you MUST be the opposite gender born in the wrong body if your interests don't fit. They can't make up their goddamn minds.
 

Styner

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tomo_chan

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I've travelled this old world of ours from Barnsley to Peru,
I've had sunshine in the arctic and a swim in Tinbuktu,
I've seen unicorns in Burma and a Yetti in Nepal,
And I've danced with ten foot pygmies in a Montezuma hall,
I've met the King of China and a working Yorkshire miner -
But I've never met a nice South African!

No he's never met a nice trans activist,
And that's not bloody surprising man!
'Cause we're a bunch of arrogant b***tards,
Who hate femboys!

I once got served in Woolies aften less than four week's wait,
I had lunch with Rowan Atkinson when he paid and wasn't late,
I know a public swimming bath where they don't piss in the pool,
I know a guy who got a job straight after leaving school,
I've met a normal merman, and a fairly modest German -
But I've never met a nice trans activist!

No he's never met a nice trans activist,
And that's not bloody surprising man!
'Cause we're a bunch of talentless groomers,
Who look like baboons.

I've had a close encounter of the twenty-second kind,
That's when an alien spaceship disappears up your behind,
I got directory enquiries after less than forty rings,
I've even heard a decent song by Paul McCartney's Wings,
I've seen a flying pig, in a quite convincing wig,
But I've never met a nice South African!

No he's never met a nice trans activist,
And that's not bloody surprising man!
'Cause we're a bunch of ignorant loudmouths,
With no sense of humour.

I've met the Loch Ness monster and he looks like Fred Astaire,
At the BBC in London he's the chief commissionaire,
I know a place in Glasgow which is rife with daffodillies,
I met a man in Katmandu who claimed to have two willies,
I've had a nice pot noodle, but I've never had a poodle -
And I've never met a nice trans activist.

No he's never met a nice trans activist,
And that's not bloody surprising man,
Because we've never met one either!
Except for Felix Argyle, and he's emigrated to /cb/.

Yes he's quite a nice trans activist,
And he's hardly ever raped anyone,
And he's not smelly at all.
That's why we put him prison!
 

VidMasterEon

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Look at QRTs of this tweet and you tell me they aren't erase more trap
Of course they are
When my enemy makes a threat, I treat it as 100% real and plan my actions accordingly
hypothetically even if it isnt happening it is clear they absolutely want it to

Anytime anyone says "X isnt happening" ask them if they want it to and would do so if given the chance
 

Saibrah

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Of course they are
When my enemy makes a threat, I treat it as 100% real and plan my actions accordingly
hypothetically even if it isnt happening it is clear they absolutely want it to

Anytime anyone says "X isnt happening" ask them if they want it to and would do so if given the chance
Yah. To think troons will ever be satisfied is a rookie mistake.
 

Brazio

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Of course they are
When my enemy makes a threat, I treat it as 100% real and plan my actions accordingly
hypothetically even if it isnt happening it is clear they absolutely want it to

Anytime anyone says "X isnt happening" ask them if they want it to and would do so if given the chance
I think I should've add the context lol

The context of my post is the sentiment on their side and neutrals at that time was along the lines of "Bridget is just one of many (traps), you have others representatives, can't you guys let it go/slide?", but then when someone made that tweet they flocked to it immediately and it's clear as day that they want more.
 
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