Megathread Lolidrama

[LiterallyRichter]

Bubbuka drew Laura B.
she's a child model who was very popular on imageboards, and he drew some pictures based off her.
If you know Unteralterbach, a lot of the characters there are also based off real kids, see the picture in the spoiler

Spoiler: Unteralterbach Characters

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Anything about "CSAM victims" is a lie as far as I know and people just freaking out and making a bigger deal out of stuff than it is.
Quite frankly if people are surprised some artists use models like Laura B. for reference they're either incredibly innocent, really retarded, or stupidly oblivious.

Should've lurked on imageboards instead of arguing about gaybaby shit on twitter

Is this the part where the curtain falls and you guys admit that though distinct there is a closer link between pedophilia and lolicon than you'd like to admit? Bubbuka is not the only artist to just be openly a pedo(see Mammoth, Dorontabi and pretty much everyone who works with Comic LO).

 

[LiterallyRichter]

I'm not an anti or whatever the fuck btw, but this side of the discourse has become insufferable with the fear of pedophilia, or rather the fear that it might at all me related to loli. Guys, be reasonable. Look at the subject matter being discussed and consider that maybe the overlap with pedophilia is real. It doesn't mean you're a pedophile, but some of the loli artists you like probably are.

 

[NretsewThePerv]

it's like some people lack basic reading comprehension
to quote Scornful

risk of splitting hairs, it's not 'referenced' it's 'an OC inspired by true events.

the difference between this and what shad did was shad made a work that was directly based on a real actor, was not even a reference it was straight-up based to look like the actor and the character they were playing. these two things are not the same. based on the examples I'm seeing of this over person (baba's) work none of them looks like real people.

shit like this is what got me in trouble back in the discord as I did a shit job articulating the point since fuckers were at my thought about it. the issue I have with these cases is everyone suddenly switch their fucken brains off and start acting like antis when it comes to shit like this raver then take a moment and step back to see if cases like this are indeed what they seem. or if they are even worth being mad about.

in the shad case yea, it was fucken gross and creepy. but last I knew he did get slapped and his site was almost taken down over it. among over things, he did not get away from that Scott free. and I think people that talk about it just want an excuse to shit on shad even tho there are like 100 over things you can shit on shad about that don't end up with you siding with antis and using anti talking points without even realising, you fall into a trap if you play that game so the only smart move is not to play

in the baba case. again. look at the work. do they look like real kids? are they directly based on real kids to the point you can identify them? if not then I don't see the issue. is it creepy dude may or may not have used an IRL reference? sure. but as long as it's not identifiable kids and sticks to the relm of fantasy characters who cares

and on the people spewing shit about loli and its relation to pedo shit just see one of my many posts on this forum about abstraction as I don't feel like repeating myself. are there pedos both making and enjoying loli? sure. just like there are pedos making movies, games, books, and all kinds of media you like. pedos are fucken everywhere, you may or may not have come face to face with one IRL and you would never know. so there is no need to state the blatantly fucken obvious unless you are an anti trying to use it as some kind of gotcha, unless we got proof they doing crimes I don't fucken care

TLDR: you are all fucken retarded, stop being fucken retarded and try not to switch into antis the moment you see a case like this.

/rant

 

[Hexasheep93]

Its not hard at all to treat things on a case by case basis people need to chill a little.

I'm not an anti or whatever the fuck btw, but this side of the discourse has become insufferable with the fear of pedophilia, or rather the fear that it might at all me related to loli. Guys, be reasonable. Look at the subject matter being discussed and consider that maybe the overlap with pedophilia is real. It doesn't mean you're a pedophile, but some of the loli artists you like probably are.

>im not an anti but Im gonna parrot all the anti talking points. No ones buying it bud

 

[Lost Branch]

lol, wait until people find out nearly every character is based on a real person the artist/author knows or knows of. The reason why no one notices is because they'll take liberties with their physical or mental identity. Also, just because I want to know, what about that one author who wrote a series about her own life with giant tits, should no one make doujins about that character because it's based on the author herself?

As for the protect act, no, it does not apply. Those pictures are not a 1:1 rendition of the person in question. If I saw those on an image board, I would have no idea they're based on real people.

And again, no one is forcing you to like any of it. Just don't dwell on it because that will get you no where.

 

[Hexasheep93]

lol, wait until people find out nearly every character is based on a real person the artist/author knows or knows of. The reason why no one notices is because they'll take liberties with their physical or mental identity. Also, just because I want to know, what about that one author who wrote a series about her own life with giant tits, should no one make doujins about that character because it's based on the author herself?

As for the protect act, no, it does not apply. Those pictures are not a 1:1 rendition of the person in question. If I saw those on an image board, I would have no idea they're based on real people.

And again, no one is forcing you to like any of it. Just don't dwell on it because that will get you no where.

First of all, you shouldnt speak out of your ass. Many artists come up with original characters all the time Its called having creativity. Not to mention the wealth of lewds that are from clearly fictional characters

Also thats not the point of why people are taking issue with bubbuka or shad. They didnt made characters out of some memory they have. They took real people and made lewd art of it.

That said talking about it in some obscure forum is not gonna get us anywhere.
So if you have issue with those artists, which I personally do. Then dont support them, and if you feel that you should call attention to that then twitter or the fedi is a way better place than this forum.

And for the cunt maps that keep trying to weasel their way into this nonsense go jump on a woodchipper

 

[LiterallyRichter]

Its not hard at all to treat things on a case by case basis people need to chill a little.


>im not an anti but Im gonna parrot all the anti talking points. No ones buying it bud

It's not "anti talking points" this stuff was being discussed by lolicons on 4chan way before tumblr had invaded twitter. These arguments aren't anything new. Time is a flat circle it seems. The claims some you make are simply unreasonable and make lolicons look like ridiculous zealots in their own right.

lol, wait until people find out nearly every character is based on a real person the artist/author knows or knows of. The reason why no one notices is because they'll take liberties with their physical or mental identity. Also, just because I want to know, what about that one author who wrote a series about her own life with giant tits, should no one make doujins about that character because it's based on the author herself?

As for the protect act, no, it does not apply. Those pictures are not a 1:1 rendition of the person in question. If I saw those on an image board, I would have no idea they're based on real people.

And again, no one is forcing you to like any of it. Just don't dwell on it because that will get you no where.

It's called referencing and it's completely natural for the artistic process. I don't care that Bubbuka is referencing Laura, his art is still good. I might as well never like any lolis at that point because unlike what most of you care to admit, they are meant to depict children and they are referencing the proportions and aesthetics of children to achieve that effect. Some lolis are drawn more like petite women but you can usually tell what each artist is going for.

 

[ninja8tyu]

what is even going on in here

 

[Balrog]

I'm not an anti or whatever the fuck btw, but this side of the discourse has become insufferable with the fear of pedophilia, or rather the fear that it might at all me related to loli. Guys, be reasonable. Look at the subject matter being discussed and consider that maybe the overlap with pedophilia is real. It doesn't mean you're a pedophile, but some of the loli artists you like probably are.

'B-b-b-be reasonable and say I'm right' Lol, no. Get fucked, faggot, we aren't like you.

Will enjoy seeing you on the news the day you get a hard drive check.

 

[LiterallyRichter]

'B-b-b-be reasonable and say I'm right' Lol, no. Get fucked, faggot, we aren't like you.

Will enjoy seeing you on the news the day you get a hard drive check.

It'd be convenient for you if I was a pedophile, but I'm just another lolicon. It's just that I've decided to think outside the mantra of "all pedophiles are evil and gross unlike us noble lolicons grrr". It was a bit uncomfortable to think about in the beginning but man it's not like we're normal and this sort of overlap just makes sense. Yes, be reasonable. What a lot of your are doing is just elaborate mental gymnastics.

 

[Balrog]

It'd be convenient for you if I was a pedophile, but I'm just another lolicon. It's just that I've decided to think outside the mantra of "all pedophiles are evil and gross unlike us noble lolicons grrr". It was a bit uncomfortable to think about in the beginning but man it's not like we're normal and this sort of overlap just makes sense. Yes, be reasonable. What a lot of your are doing is just elaborate mental gymnastics.

You say that like your status as a pedo is an hypothetical when you already exposed yourself by going down the checklist of 'I'm a pedo that feel lonely so I'll try to convince loli-fags that they are like me' talking points.

Pattern recognition isn't a mantra and you picked the wrong user to cry about 'muh group think!' when I think the two previous pages of crying about Shadman and that other artist were gay and pointless too.

No, there is no overlap between us, fuck off. Go back to twitter of you want MAP buddies.

Using your brain isn't 'mental gymnastics', it's called 'thinking', which you don't seem to be capable of since you don't know the difference between 'you' and 'your'.

Once again, will love seeing you on the news.

 

[LiterallyRichter]

You say that like your status as a pedo is an hypothetical when you already exposed yourself by going down the checklist of 'I'm a pedo that feel lonely so I'll try to convince loli-fags that they are like me' talking points.

Pattern recognition isn't a mantra and you picked the wrong user to cry about 'muh group think!' when I think the two previous pages of crying about Shadman and that other artist were gay and pointless too.

No, there is no overlap between us, fuck off. Go back to twitter of you want MAP buddies.

Using your brain isn't 'mental gymnastics', it's called 'thinking', which you don't seem to be capable of since you don't know the difference between 'you' and 'your'.

Once again, will love seeing you on the news.

Nice job picking up on a typo. I too have not only the pattern recognition but logical skills to see that though lolicons and pedophiles are distinct, that the overlap is real. You're engaging in heavy denial/cope to say that it isn't when this thread already has documentation of popular loli artists just, you know... Being open about their pedophilia? Idk what other evidence you need. i'd say I'm looking forwards to you seeing the light of reason but to judge from your behavior so far it's likely you'll just keep being a knucklehead living in Copetown.

 

[Balrog]

Nice job picking up on a typo. I too have not only the pattern recognition but logical skills to see that though lolicons and pedophiles are distinct, that the overlap is real. You're engaging in heavy denial/cope to say that it isn't when this thread already has documentation of popular loli artists just, you know... Being open about their pedophilia? Idk what other evidence you need. i'd say I'm looking forwards to you seeing the light of reason but to judge from your behavior so far it's likely you'll just keep being a knucklehead living in Copetown.

That's not what a typo is, dumbass, the fact it's the first point in your response tell me I did well to mention it. Must have hit a nerve.

Don't brag about having 'logical skills' while also excluding 'pattern recognition' from said skills, it expose you as a dumbass trying to sound smarter than he is. Just like you exposed yourself as a lonely pedo already.

There is no such things on this thread but there ARE exemple of your kind being in jail for diddling kids, you failed 'how do you do, fellow kids?' retard.

'C-c-c-c-copetown' Try again without the stuttering or the obvious anger and it MIGHT become a decent comeback.

Just saying you have proof or that you're right because 'it's obvious' doesn't actually make you right or make any proof appear out of thin air. And begging me to just agree with you isn't a good look either. Just a FYI.

 

[LiterallyRichter]

That's not what a typo is, dumbass, the fact it's the first point in your response tell me I did well to mention it. Must have hit a nerve.

Don't brag about having 'logical skills' while also excluding 'pattern recognition' from said skills, it expose you as a dumbass trying to sound smarter than he is. Just like you exposed yourself as a lonely pedo already.

There is no such things on this thread but there ARE exemple of your kind being in jail for diddling kids, you failed 'how do you do, fellow kids?' retard.

'C-c-c-c-copetown' Try again without the stuttering or the obvious anger and it MIGHT become a decent comeback.

Just saying you have proof or that you're right because 'it's obvious' doesn't actually make you right or make any proof appear out of thin air. And begging me to just agree with you isn't a good look either. Just a FYI.

Actually pattern recognition is an innate ability mostly dictated by your IQ. Whatever, this is irrelevant. Clearly this is making you emotional so why don't you cool off and read what I've said again in the morning? Your talk about not being dogmatic could prove true then. Maybe. Heh.

 

[Balrog]

Actually pattern recognition is an innate ability mostly dictated by your IQ. Whatever, this is irrelevant. Clearly this is making you emotional so why don't you cool off and read what I've said again in the morning? Your talk about not being dogmatic could prove true then. Maybe. Heh.

'IQ is separated from logical skills' Oh my god, It took you almost half an hour to find a shovel to dig yourself that deep?

It's crazy how you realized how dumb of a take that was so you tried to dismiss it as irrelevant but still posted it. Seems like I hit a nerve again.

'You said I was angry so I'll say you're emotional! T-t-t-t-that's a come back!' Lol. Lmao.

I read it, I understood it and I saw you're a retarded lonely pedo.

'P-p-p-p-please say I'm right or you're dogmatic with...all those people not talking on this thread right now' You keep digging and it keep being funny.

'S-s-s-see, I'm laughing, totally not mad' Ultimate sign of asshurt from an exposed pedo.

Oh well, at least you're not denying you're a pedo or insisting that we're like you anymore.

See you on the news.

 

[Scornful Gaze]

The drama persists even in here. Anyways, I believe @cunny poster (baby come back) made a thread talking about this a while back that I was too drunk at the time to respond to properly. As for the claim of all artists reference somebody in real life... again depends on the artist. I doubt Inuboshi is referencing more than a book on how to draw moe characters (his characters have a very distinct, cartoony and bubbly look that's more reminiscent of shoujo manga, and I have many examples of such how-to books lying around in my sadpanda favorites), while Salad probably does occasionally glance out the window at the local playground, nods assuredly, and gets to work. There is very much a nuance to this thing, so being black & white about this either way risks being reductive.

 

[LiterallyRichter]

'IQ is separated from logical skills' Oh my god, It took you almost half an hour to find a shovel to dig yourself that deep?

It's crazy how you realized how dumb of a take that was so you tried to dismiss it as irrelevant but still posted it. Seems like I hit a nerve again.

'You said I was angry so I'll say you're emotional! T-t-t-t-that's a come back!' Lol. Lmao.

I read it, I understood it and I saw you're a retarded lonely pedo.

'P-p-p-p-please say I'm right or you're dogmatic with...all those people not talking on this thread right now' You keep digging and it keep being funny.

'S-s-s-see, I'm laughing, totally not mad' Ultimate sign of asshurt from an exposed pedo.

You're such a midwit it's unbearable. The tilting in the way you write is very obvious, but I'll give you some credit for actually trying to engage even if the attempts are pitiful non-arguments and cope.

at least you're not denying you're a pedo or insisting that we're like you anymore.

Actually, I am. Watch: I am not a pedophile, I'm a lolicon, though I'm obviously not as allergic to the idea that pedophiles can also be lolicons as the rest of you are. In being a lolicon, I am like you, actually. I've just seen past the pedo hysteria because the ultimate conclusion of that is me posturing against Comic LO and a bunch of artists I like because "they're pedos". Nah, fuck all that.

 

[LiterallyRichter]

The drama persists even in here. Anyways, I believe @cunny poster (baby come back) made a thread talking about this a while back that I was too drunk at the time to respond to properly. As for the claim of all artists reference somebody in real life... again depends on the artist. I doubt Inuboshi is referencing more than a book on how to draw moe characters (his characters have a very distinct, cartoony and bubbly look that's more reminiscent of shoujo manga, and I have many examples of such how-to books lying around in my sadpanda favorites), while Salad probably does occasionally glance out the window at the local playground, nods assuredly, and gets to work. There is very much a nuance to this thing, so being black & white about this either way risks being reductive.

Yes, most people on both sides are losing the nuance in this topic. It's kind of what I'm trying to pry back in.

 

[Balrog]

You're such a midwit it's unbearable. The tilting in the way you write is very obvious, but I'll give you some credit for actually trying to engage even if the attempts are pitiful non-arguments and cope.


Actually, I am. Watch: I am not a pedophile, I'm a lolicon, though I'm obviously not as allergic to the idea that pedophiles can also be lolicons as the rest of you are. In being a lolicon, I am like you, actually. I've just seen past the pedo hysteria because the ultimate conclusion of that is me posturing against Comic LO and a bunch of artists I like because "they're pedos". Nah, fuck all that.

'Y-y-y-you're such a dumb poo poo head meanie!!!!!' And yet you can't formulate a single sentence to defend your obvious pedo ass. We are not like you, we are not your friends and you are a disgusting pedo.

'S-s-s-s-see you laughed at my anger so I'll say you're mad!!! T-t-t-that make me save face!!!' Lol. Lmao.

Too late, you already admitted it, pedo and no, still not the same. Your delusion that because pedos breath air, everyone who breath air has 'overlaps' with pedos will never make us like you.

It's too late to try and pull the 'how do you do, fellow lolicon?' act again, pedo.

It's hilarious how angry and desperate you are. You were literally checking the thread every few minutes without responding until someone gave you something vaguely resembling some backup. Only then did jump in to get slapped around some more.

Nah, the ultimate conclusion of that is Loli being fine while you end up on the news as a pedo like every faggots who used your pre-made talking points.

So once again, let's be extremely clear and accurate: There is no nuance, you are a pedo and we are not like you in the slightest. Not in any way, shape or form. Your retarded attempt at infiltration failed and you can go cry to your MAP friends on twitter now. And you're not 'prying' anything back in, fuck off.

 

[LiterallyRichter]

'Y-y-y-you're such a dumb poo poo head meanie!!!!!' And yet you can't formulate a single sentence to defend your obvious pedo ass. We are not like you, we are not your friends and you are a disgusting pedo.

'S-s-s-s-see you laughed at my anger so I'll say you're mad!!! T-t-t-that make me save face!!!' Lol. Lmao.

Too late, you already admitted it, pedo and no, still not the same. Your delusion that because pedos breath air, everyone who breath air has 'overlaps' with pedos will never make us like you.

It's too late to try and pull the 'how do you do, fellow lolicon?' act again, pedo.

It's hilarious how angry and desperate you are. You were literally checking the thread every few minutes without responding until someone gave you something vaguely resembling some backup. Only then did jump in to get slapped around some more.

Nah, the ultimate conclusion of that is Loli being fine while you end up on the news as a pedo like every faggots who used your pre-made talking points.

So once again, let's be extremely clear and accurate: There is no nuance, you are a pedo and we are not like you in the slightest. Not in any way, shape or form. Your retarded attempt at infiltration failed and you can go cry to your MAP friends on twitter now. And you're not 'prying' anything back in, fuck off.

Better ban me if you want me to "fuck off", bozo. I've done nothing but argue in good faith and so far all you've offered in response is blatant denial, making shit up + random insults. Hopefully some better users will look at this thread tomorrow, I've wanted to talk about this with someone with at least half a brain about this for a while and homie you're not it.