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I am not at all familiar with this series, but I assume you're asserting that it doesn't follow the typical harem tropes and issues I mentioned in my post? If that's the case, then perhaps I will need to look into it.
I think you can give it a try.
I... somewhat see what you mean here, but at the same time, if the ending is not satisfactory then in my eyes it tends to invalidate the journey along the way. Perhaps this is just a consequence of how I am a very sequential, cause-and-effect person, but it almost feels insulting if it doesn't conclude in a proper way. And I mean a proper way; the ending doesn't necessarily have to be happy. It just has to make logical sense in the context of the storyline.

As for your other suggestions, I may look into them as again I don't have anything against the harem genre, but nothing I've experience thus far has lived up to my potentially unreasonably high standards for it.
Yes, I think you should try them, I will not comment on the endings to screw up your experience, obviously not everything has to be good nor all have to be bad.
I don't really see what you mean here. Even if you don't like the direction the Grand Order story has been taken, as far as I know it is its own thing. The way that the traditional Fate stories function are not that conducive, at least in my eyes, to the sort of gacha style progression that FGO has going for it, so naturally it's going to be a bit different. I don't understand what's so offensive about the direction the game's plot as taken. And anyway, funds from the game can be viewed as going towards developing other projects more in-line (in your view) with what Fate is supposed to be.
1. I don't like how the characters are treated
Where was the gilgamesh that we could see at zero and fate stayed overnight? this gilgamesh looks like someone else
I don't like either of the 2 protagonists, Mashu looks like the main heroine of an ordinary harem anime and the protagonist, then the same, looks like a protagonist of an ordinary harem anime in which everyone trusts him ... just for the sake of it . I do not like that they give so much prominence to Fujimaru [or whatever XD is called] when in reality it does not contribute anything to the series, damn it after seeing protagonists like Shiro or Kiritsugo or Servants as knowing that Mashu and Fujimaru make the series see ridiculous franchise.
2. I'll focus a bit on the babylonia anime, the plot has no clear direction, things are taken from the bottom of the sleeve, it's like I'm watching jojo, things are always very convenient for proytagonists. [in fate stay night you can also see a bit of this, but in grand order they are exceeded]
3. The most important thing is how it completely leaves the basic concepts that fate stay night has and that ufotable knew how to capture very well in Unlimited Blade World, zero [urobashi gen did a wonderful job with the script that transformed the franchise] and Heavens Feel, how the holy grail and the materialization of wishes are shown, everything murky in the story, the past of the characters and how all this contributes to the development of the war, the concept that they try to maintain in grand order of the heroes is very important , in fate stay night this concept was always seen through Shiro and they did it very well, since he wanted to be a hero but he was always clear that it was something impossible to achieve and save everyone, so he had no other options to choose from. your priorities and start sacrificing things. Anyway, everything that does not make a grand order ... transforms the characters into more convenient ones, develops the plot so that it fits well with what the characters want, they try to explain everything but it turns out that nothing is understood.
Damn when you see in Heavens feel the story behind the holy grail and the beginning of the war you realize how all that was flushed down the toilet in great order to be able to get a lot of characters out, typical of gasha games.
Anyway, I could be writing books just for each character, but I don't want to spoil or write all night XD so I'll leave it here. I hope you understand what I mean and forgive my poor English, I will follow all the adaptations of great order and who knows, the future ones may make me change my mind, but so far both the a-1 picture film and the Babylonian one. They were not up to the franchise.

This would be an excellent point of discussion but perhaps a bit out of the scope of this thread, especially since you're likely to veer into spoiler territory. I would suggest making a new thread under "Anime" and link back to your post here should you want to continue that path.
Yes. I'm sorry I will try not to deviate too much from the subject, the truth is that I only said it to say it is not like it was to do it.
I think I did it a bit above, sorry, but I tried not to make any spoilers.

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So, I not only completely understand your reservations but even share them myself. Over-the-top masculinity is something that really does not appeal to me in a series, and I tend to prefer my male protagonists on the cool or laidback side (think Spike Spiegel from Cowboy Bebop). That being said, this element of design did not ultimately bother me that much, particularly for reasons I had mentioned in my novel above.

I genuinely recommend that you give it a try one day unless there's some other major reason you think you wont enjoy it. I say this not only as a fan of the franchise but just a fan of anime in general. Several times in the past I have foregone watching a series before of one or two (or perhaps a few) elements that I previously know I did not like and thought it would affect my enjoyable of the show. Your experience can and mostly likely will be much more complicated than that. You might find you still dislike it but for other reasons or, optimistically, you're pleasantly surprised.

At the end of the day, I just want people to enjoy more shit, because there's a lot of it out there to experience, and we're often our own unreliable critics.
I completely agree, I think it is good to try some series that at first glance do not seem interesting, even if in the end you do not like them, they will serve as an experience to better judge future anime that you are going to see and have a more open mind with the different genres and style .
 

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that was a quick reply XD
grand order has some points that I can mark as good, for example in the current Camelot movies there are possibilities to see a deeper development in the classic character of saber, as well as other characters who treated very badly like the saber of Apocrypha
I think this camelot bow has potential, but the previous ones were simply very bad...
but its production is good.
Yeah I get that. ngl I don't rarely look into the FGO stuff outside the core gacha.
God, what have I started? I may very well go into my spiel about how science fiction and fantasy are intertwined and almost the same exact thing aside from setting...
Bro wym? Are you saying Sci-Fi is just space magic disguised as science? No way /s
So, I not only completely understand your reservations but even share them myself. Over-the-top masculinity is something that really does not appeal to me in a series, and I tend to prefer my male protagonists on the cool or laidback side (think Spike Spiegel from Cowboy Bebop). That being said, this element of design did not ultimately bother me that much, particularly for reasons I had mentioned in my novel above.

I genuinely recommend that you give it a try one day unless there's some other major reason you think you wont enjoy it. I say this not only as a fan of the franchise but just a fan of anime in general. Several times in the past I have foregone watching a series before of one or two (or perhaps a few) elements that I previously know I did not like and thought it would affect my enjoyable of the show. Your experience can and mostly likely will be much more complicated than that. You might find you still dislike it but for other reasons or, optimistically, you're pleasantly surprised.

At the end of the day, I just want people to enjoy more shit, because there's a lot of it out there to experience, and we're often our own unreliable critics.
I'll probably check out Jojo eventually but I got other stuff I want to watch first.
Well, as a Grand Order fan, I wish they'd take a nice break from Arcade, because I'm fucking tired of the exclusives they keep getting that the app most likely is not going to receive. :gura-pain:
Bro IKR? I'm getting really sick of all the Arcade bs. Not all of us live in Japan.
 

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I got a few, but for now, just talk about this one.
the school days anime is a decent anime if you look at it as a Deconstruction of the harem genre and I know Deconstruction is a meme at this point.
but if you look at the school days anime in that light, a lot of what happens in it makes sense and you understand what they were going for an example the main character becoming a sex addict, sleeping around and overall doing really scummy shit. which leads him to get Kanashimi no mukou e and nice boated. the show is telling you don't go down the path that
Makoto did because it's going to and will end badly for you.
also if you want something that will blow your mind look at the chart i posted its some schooldays deeplore

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I got a few, but for now, just talk about this one.
the school days anime is a decent anime if you look at it as a Deconstruction of the harem genre and I know Deconstruction is a meme at this point.
but if you look at the school days anime in that light, a lot of what happens in it makes sense and you understand what they were going for an example the main character becoming a sex addict, sleeping around and overall doing really scummy shit. which leads him to get Kanashimi no mukou e and nice boated. the show is telling you don't go down the path that
Makoto did because it's going to and will end badly for you.
also if you want something that will blow your mind look at the chart i posted its some schooldays deeplore

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Holy fuck that's a pretty big lore for the VN series. I know that there are few games from this franchise but I never got to know how many what are the "days" titles.
Also I don't know if it is a hot take but I didn't like part 5 of Jojo (anime only). Was a big letdown and Giorno didn't make it any better for me. Man, can we just go back to Joseph being the main protag? I miss him :satania-cry:
 

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I got a few, but for now, just talk about this one.
the school days anime is a decent anime if you look at it as a Deconstruction of the harem genre and I know Deconstruction is a meme at this point.
but if you look at the school days anime in that light, a lot of what happens in it makes sense and you understand what they were going for an example the main character becoming a sex addict, sleeping around and overall doing really scummy shit. which leads him to get Kanashimi no mukou e and nice boated. the show is telling you don't go down the path that
Makoto did because it's going to and will end badly for you.
also if you want something that will blow your mind look at the chart i posted its some schooldays deeplore

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IS THAT A CIRCLE?
Man, if there's one series I don't want to get into, it's fucking Radish or whatever this shit's called.
I've kinda detached myself of harem because there's little the Japs do with the genre, so I've seen a few of them and now I know all of them.
This deconstruction that School Days is doing is mentally retarded though, it goes to some other extreme further than what a harem's extreme is.

Also, since people here are shitting on Arifureta, lemme tell you, the dude clearly got bored of being an ok writer somewhere in the middle. I even made my own headcanon where our MC is actually fully cognizant of his fictional status but at some point, he can't do anything but follow the script unlike those times he took a decision and stood by it, only some glimmers of the endless suffering he must endure are seen in some of his expressions when the fucking bunny comes near him and speaks.
Those characters had something going on for them when they weren't "part of the harem", they had a personality, they had likes and dislikes and their own ideas.
All of a sudden, they either turned retarded or psychopath, and anything the MC did was OK.
Our MC wasn't even a bad character, but his actions should have some consequences, everyone around him that wasn't affected was like "what's a moral compass".

Anyway, unpopular opinion, right? This goes further than anime, but in all honesty, criticizing something that just isn't your age is fucking stupid.
Children's books might seem retarded to us, but they're a treasure trove for them toddlers and elementary schoolers.
The same goes for Shonen, even though a lot of times they do venture in more complex territory, they're still meant for teens.
Another unpopular opinion that goes further than anime again is wish fullfilment isn't inherently bad.
 

Kach

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I don't know if this is the correct thread but I think it goes well with the topic.
What they tell me about Fate / stay night: Heaven's Feel movies
I have met many people dissatisfied with the movies and I do not understand why, most of them say stupid things like that it is better that they put the three scenarios together or that there was no need to repeat the story, but I think they are just ignorant talking stupid.
I saw the last movie recently and I'm still quite hyped with it, I really liked it and I think it's the second best of the entire franchise [after Zero]
I want to add that Grand Order violated the frachise and has done what it wanted with the story, for me it is good to see again how Heaven's Feel returns to what is really good in Fate, which made me start to love the franchise
I have a lot more I can say about the trilogy, especially the closure and the psychology of the characters but I will wait to see some answers.
Most of the people i see complaining about it are the visual novel reader and i think it is justified for them to do so because HF route is the longest out of the 3 VN routes, yet only got 3 movies (so just a bit more than a 12 episode anime). Imo the movie were outstanding, both for the technical and the story telling but i still think it's a waste to have so much smaller event taken out of the serie (like the whole thing with iilya for exemple). but that's the problem with adaptations, it's never as good as the original so in the end if it's entertaining enough then it's a plenty good adaptation, and that is obsolutely the case with HF movies

tldr: movie is fun, VN got plot :sayorifingerguns:
 

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@Narbray I am in full agreement that Grand Order ruined the Fate franchise, for me it made everything feel less important, because of the magnitude and the ridiculousness of Grand Order. It's because Grand Order even when it's serious, feels a lot like Carnival Phantasm or a botched Dragon Ball Z where now we're powerleveling to fight gods and goddesses while sprinkling abstract philosophical concepts around.
 

Narbray

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I got a few, but for now, just talk about this one.
the school days anime is a decent anime if you look at it as a Deconstruction of the harem genre and I know Deconstruction is a meme at this point.
but if you look at the school days anime in that light, a lot of what happens in it makes sense and you understand what they were going for an example the main character becoming a sex addict, sleeping around and overall doing really scummy shit. which leads him to get Kanashimi no mukou e and nice boated. the show is telling you don't go down the path that
Makoto did because it's going to and will end badly for you.
also if you want something that will blow your mind look at the chart i posted its some schooldays deeplore

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I think School Days is an excellent anime and also a good example of the harem genre.
And since we are in this thread, to add that Makoto is an excellent protagonist [in the sense of his construction, not his personality XD], a lot of people at that time hated makoto, but it has always seemed to me that this does not. any way, in the end Makoto never did anything especially bad, just what any young man his age would have done, he never forced any of the girls or treated them especially badly.
Most of the people i see complaining about it are the visual novel reader and i think it is justified for them to do so because HF route is the longest out of the 3 VN routes, yet only got 3 movies (so just a bit more than a 12 episode anime). Imo the movie were outstanding, both for the technical and the story telling but i still think it's a waste to have so much smaller event taken out of the serie (like the whole thing with iilya for exemple). but that's the problem with adaptations, it's never as good as the original so in the end if it's entertaining enough then it's a plenty good adaptation, and that is obsolutely the case with HF movies

tldr: movie is fun, VN got plot :sayorifingerguns:

I don't know anything about VN, but I think the movie does its job very well, another thing is that they remove a lot of HF content that is shown in the first Fate anime and many other topics that are supposed to be known by those who have seen them. previous anime in the franchise. That partly helps to make the story shorter, I think that personally it did not lack anything, although it does give the impression of a little fast, a little short.
Sakura is one of my favorite characters in all of Fate, I like her Yandere personality of hers that has a meaningful base and that makes a fool of all the badly achieved Yanderes that have come after.
I cannot make comparisons, but I think that the films achieve their mission very well, they show the character in the best way, their story is dark and deep and the films manage to show you that way, also each film lasts 2 hours, that is almost 8 episodes per film, the truth does not seem very short to me.
Anyway, I can agree with you that maybe they should have made it longer, maybe one more movie, but I think that in general the story is very well narrated, if you add to that the spectacular animation, the spectacular Kaijura soundtrack combined With the closing themes composed and written by her and interpreted by Aimer who does an excellent job too, I don't know but I think the films are incredibly good and I feel that they are not being given the recognition they deserve. Besides the incredible ending it has, I haven't seen such a good ending since Fate / Zero [I won't do spoilers] and the ending themes as they represent Sakura.
I believe that each anime should shine as an adaptation and as an original anime work, I can't say anything about adaptation, but I can definitely assure that it shines as an original work. It is a pity that it does not receive the recognition it deserves [may be partly due to the Kimetsu no Yaiba tsunami]
I want to add that I have seen people who have not played VN complaining about the movies anyway, I can understand that VN fans do not like the adaptation and they will have their reasons, but I cannot understand anime fans who give a bad review.
@Narbray I am in full agreement that Grand Order ruined the Fate franchise, for me it made everything feel less important, because of the magnitude and the ridiculousness of Grand Order. It's because Grand Order even when it's serious, feels a lot like Carnival Phantasm or a botched Dragon Ball Z where now we're powerleveling to fight gods and goddesses while sprinkling abstract philosophical concepts around.
It is even sad to see how he tries to take up some concepts from Fate stay night and does it very badly, an example would be the theme of heroes, in Grand Oder it seems that they did not understand what Stay night wanted to show about this.
And as you say, the gods were never seen like this in Fate Stay night, the grails, everything they tell you about the Holy Grail, Grand Order throws it away and invents what it wants.
After seeing the history of war and the Holy Grail on HF and how it all began, I became even more convinced that grand order is an unnecessary product created to continue squeezing a franchise that they do not let rest in peace.
 

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Also, since people here are shitting on Arifureta, lemme tell you, the dude clearly got bored of being an ok writer somewhere in the middle. I even made my own headcanon where our MC is actually fully cognizant of his fictional status but at some point, he can't do anything but follow the script unlike those times he took a decision and stood by it, only some glimmers of the endless suffering he must endure are seen in some of his expressions when the fucking bunny comes near him and speaks.
Those characters had something going on for them when they weren't "part of the harem", they had a personality, they had likes and dislikes and their own ideas.
All of a sudden, they either turned retarded or psychopath, and anything the MC did was OK.
Our MC wasn't even a bad character, but his actions should have some consequences, everyone around him that wasn't affected was like "what's a moral compass".
I got most of the light novels for Arifureta, as time goes on my headcanon is that the main character has become a force of nature, and any consequences that he might suffer doesn't affect him because he has become so powerful at this point.
now there is a sequel (web novel) where he is back in Japan and some of the things he did dose come back to bite him in the ass and some of this classmates return back to the fantasy world
to go on a redemption quest, and the other reason being they can't live in japan anymore atfer all thats happened to them.
I think School Days is an excellent anime and also a good example of the harem genre.
And since we are in this thread, to add that Makoto is an excellent protagonist [in the sense of his construction, not his personality XD], a lot of people at that time hated makoto, but it has always seemed to me that this does not. any way, in the end Makoto never did anything especially bad, just what any young man his age would have done, he never forced any of the girls or treated them especially badly.
well the school days anime was that perfect storm situation.
makoto, Kotonoha & Sekai when all three of them are together magic happen or tragedy happens.
 

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It is even sad to see how he tries to take up some concepts from Fate stay night and does it very badly, an example would be the theme of heroes, in Grand Oder it seems that they did not understand what Stay night wanted to show about this.
And as you say, the gods were never seen like this in Fate Stay night, the grails, everything they tell you about the Holy Grail, Grand Order throws it away and invents what it wants.
After seeing the history of war and the Holy Grail on HF and how it all began, I became even more convinced that grand order is an unnecessary product created to continue squeezing a franchise that they do not let rest in peace.
it's a personal opinion but i think people try too much to see fate as only the stay night holy grail war, i think that thinking is completely wrong. Each fate series are very different from one another and almost none beside the stay night one follow the original concept so i don't think you can blame fgo for doing what literally everyone else is doing. take the extra serie for exemple, at first it may look like a SF stay night but it actually have a lot of differences. That's the reason why there is multiple timeline (over the fact that some series are actual ''what if'' series). each fate work contradict others, yet try to make references to it (cause it's still all fate in the end). it's just that people try to include fgo into other timelines only because it have the same characters. like no one have ever though of including the prysma iilya serie to the main timeline because it's obvious it's not apart of it, for fgo it's the same but just less obvious
 
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it's a personal opinion but i think people try too much to see fate as only the stay night holy grail war, i think that thinking is completely wrong. Each fate series are very different from one another and almost none beside the stay night one follow the original concept so i don't think you can blame fgo for doing what literally everyone else is doing. take the extra serie for exemple, at first it may look like a SF stay night but it actually have a lot of differences. That's the reason why there is multiple timeline (over the fact that some series are actual ''what if'' series). each fate work contradict others, yet try to make references to it (cause it's still all fate in the end). it's just that people try to include fgo into other timelines only because it have the same characters. like no one have ever though of including the prysma iilya serie to the main timeline because it's obvious it's not apart of it, for fgo it's the same but just less obvious
I understand your point, but do not think that I just think that FGO is bad just to compare it with FSN, actually I think it is as bad as a derivative of it, as well as an original series with its own story. I just wanted to compare both projects and see how FGO has violated the franchise, but as I said before I can say that its characters are horrible and its narrative very bad. It's funny, Fate / Extra I don't think it's bad, it does violate the main concept a bit, but it maintains its psychological style and I think its anime adaptation did not do so badly ...
The truth is I have some expectations with the Camelot-arc but so far, what has been adapted from FGO, is simply very bad. [I could go into details but I think it is not the correct thread, so I will leave it at that]
there is also Apocrypha, the latter is an aberration for the franchise.
 

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I got most of the light novels for Arifureta, as time goes on my headcanon is that the main character has become a force of nature, and any consequences that he might suffer doesn't affect him because he has become so powerful at this point.
now there is a sequel (web novel) where he is back in Japan and some of the things he did dose come back to bite him in the ass and some of this classmates return back to the fantasy world
to go on a redemption quest, and the other reason being they can't live in japan anymore atfer all thats happened to them.
What I mean is something else, you can certainly move the meat with unstoppable power, but you can't move the heart.
As in, you can be the most powerful being in the universe, but people'll still hate you for your atrocities, unless you have some mind control going on, but the MC didn't have that.
 

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What I mean is something else, you can certainly move the meat with unstoppable power, but you can't move the heart.
As in, you can be the most powerful being in the universe, but people'll still hate you for your atrocities, unless you have some mind control going on, but the MC didn't have that.
pretty much, I haven't read much into it, but from what I have heard it's one of those situations where don't like what he did or what's he become.
but at the same time, they can't really do anything about it aside from social isolation and consequences that way.
because if it came down to them using force, the amount of force required isn't worth it. because the amount of force required would involve every single county throwing everything they have at him, and if they beat him or even kill him. the end result most likey going to be like this.


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Happy Sugar Life sucks and I don't understand why so many people like it.

The story is that a high school girl named Satou adopts an abandoned young girl named Shio, and she quickly becomes completely obsessed with her since this is the first time she's ever felt love. Keeping Shio a secret in her apartment room, Satou is willing to do anything to keep their "happy sugar life" afloat...no matter who or what stands in her way.

Okay, sounds like a great premise for a horror story, I'm interested to see where this goes. But here's my main problem with the show:

Despite having a sociopathic yandere with little to no morals as the main character, the show is too scared to have her do anything too evil. Almost every single time Satou does something morally wrong or crazy, it's targeted towards a complete monster who was clearly going to harm somebody unprovoked. Sometimes it doesn't even have to be morally wrong and she does what any person in her situation would do, like when she stun guns nameless npc thugs who were in the middle of beating up a small child for fun. So instead of "Oh no, this poor sucker got on the yandere's bad side", it's "Evil people kick the dog, and then they immediately get owned by my waifu. What karma!"

The best example of this is the original apartment room owner. In the first episode, Satou mentions how lucky they are to have this room, then the camera focuses on a bloody bag in the closet. So naturally, the audience assumes she murdered him so she could have the apartment all to herself. Then several episodes later, it turns out the room owner was right about to murder a sick Shio in her sleep and Satou only killed him in self-defense.

I guarantee the only reason why the scene is from the first person view of the room owner is because they realized this would like the 5th or 6th time somebody seemingly normal changes like a light switch, puts on their anime crazy face, and tries to hurt somebody innocent, so they wanted to disguise the repetition.

Imagine if in Halloween, (or really, any horror movie) the only people Michael Myers killed were crazy rapists and thugs instead of anybody likeable or interesting. By making Satou almost always justified in her actions, it becomes generic revenge porn instead of a horror anime with a unique and interesting premise.
I dont like happy sugar life either mostly because it.along with other stuff) completely ruined ss for me

Don't know how unpopular this is but here we go.

I dislike harem plot in romance stories. It just feels cheap and makes me not care about the conclusions since all possible endings will piss me off. I especially hate it if the MC is purposefully leading the love interests on.
I really dont mind harem plots tho porbably because I never take them seriously. That and I very rarely form any sort of emotional attachment to characters so if they get shunted off I dont really care I just want to see the ecchi

I really dislike yandere. I really dont understand what people find so attractive about it. That is mentalky unstable and a murderer whats so attractive about that eludes me
 

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pretty much, I haven't read much into it, but from what I have heard it's one of those situations where don't like what he did or what's he become.
but at the same time, they can't really do anything about it aside from social isolation and consequences that way.
because if it came down to them using force, the amount of force required isn't worth it. because the amount of force required would involve every single county throwing everything they have at him, and if they beat him or even kill him. the end result most likey going to be like this.


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🤔 I'm talking about his harem bruv, not about the world around him specifically.
His "harem members" lost their minds without any type of reason given by the author, and some of them even had a moral compass before suddenly losing it for no reason and starting to fawn over him.
 

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I really dislike yandere. I really dont understand what people find so attractive about it. That is mentalky unstable and a murderer whats so attractive about that eludes me
That's because most yandere are so badly made cringe
But in itself I don't think the stereotype is bad, if you work well you can get a good character. The problem is that there are few yandere that can reach the viewer correctly regardless of whether you like yandere or not .. the problem is not the stereotype, I think it is the bad job of the character, who ends up liking only those who have a fetish weird with this. So I can understand that you don't like them.
for example, once again we will talk about Fate XD, Sakura is not like the yandere those that come out today that have a missing screw just because. She lived hell since she was little, she has known Shiro for many years [secondary school if I remember correctly] and the only place of peace that she had was Shiro's house, the only place where she could have a moment of peace was in a shiro's house, the only place where she was treated with kindness and affection was at shiro's house, the only place where something was expected from her without telling her what to do was at shiro's house, normal for her to fall in love and become obsessed With him, I also repeat, they have known each other for years, I think that all the actions of the character are very well done and do not force the story to add madness and violence just to add a little moe to the character.
PS: I don't know if this is the reason why you don't like them but I hope it helps you see the stereotype a little differently.

I want to add another unpopular opinion to the thread:
1. Naruto and Bleach seem like aberrations to me [although surely many people agree with this], Boruto should not even exist.
2. HxH seems extremely overrated to me
3. Shingeki no Kioujin seems overrated to me too.
4. SAO is another aberration and the best of the franchise is Alicization by far. [But even this arc has quite a few problems in my opinion], and the second arc that I like the most is Mother Rosario, but everyone says that it is bad without any sense: c
5. Darling in the Franxx is very bad, I don't understand what its fandom sees in it, at first I liked it but from the middle on it only got worse and its end is terrible. [I also don't understand that they see Zero Two]

Well these are some opinions that I have that could be in disagreement with many people and that perhaps can be considered unpopular. I think there is to debate a while XD
 

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That's because most yandere are so badly made cringe
But in itself I don't think the stereotype is bad, if you work well you can get a good character. The problem is that there are few yandere that can reach the viewer correctly regardless of whether you like yandere or not .. the problem is not the stereotype, I think it is the bad job of the character, who ends up liking only those who have a fetish weird with this. So I can understand that you don't like them.
for example, once again we will talk about Fate XD, Sakura is not like the yandere those that come out today that have a missing screw just because. She lived hell since she was little, she has known Shiro for many years [secondary school if I remember correctly] and the only place of peace that she had was Shiro's house, the only place where she could have a moment of peace was in a shiro's house, the only place where she was treated with kindness and affection was at shiro's house, the only place where something was expected from her without telling her what to do was at shiro's house, normal for her to fall in love and become obsessed With him, I also repeat, they have known each other for years, I think that all the actions of the character are very well done and do not force the story to add madness and violence just to add a little moe to the character.
PS: I don't know if this is the reason why you don't like them but I hope it helps you see the stereotype a little differently.

I want to add another unpopular opinion to the thread:
1. Naruto and Bleach seem like aberrations to me [although surely many people agree with this], Boruto should not even exist.
2. HxH seems extremely overrated to me
3. Shingeki no Kioujin seems overrated to me too.
4. SAO is another aberration and the best of the franchise is Alicization by far. [But even this arc has quite a few problems in my opinion], and the second arc that I like the most is Mother Rosario, but everyone says that it is bad without any sense: c
5. Darling in the Franxx is very bad, I don't understand what its fandom sees in it, at first I liked it but from the middle on it only got worse and its end is terrible. [I also don't understand that they see Zero Two]

Well these are some opinions that I have that could be in disagreement with many people and that perhaps can be considered unpopular. I think there is to debate a while XD
The characters themselves I am indifferent to tho I agree most incarnations are not great. My problem is the attraction to those type of characters I guess it is just a fetish thing but its certainly not one I understand. What so attractive about a complete nutcase?

Shonen in general is not my cup of tea but at the end of the day neither I nor you, I assume are its intended audience.
Never watched hxh so have no opinion on it but I get a seinfeld is unfunny thing for how much people love gushing over that show
I agree attack on titan is overrated
It may be because I am a contrarian but I actually think SAO is overhated lol
No opinion on darling in the franx never seen it
 

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The characters themselves I am indifferent to tho I agree most incarnations are not great. My problem is the attraction to those type of characters I guess it is just a fetish thing but its certainly not one I understand. What so attractive about a complete nutcase?
I understand what you mean, but I think it's already something more subjective where we just won't agree.
Let's try to give a meaningful answer to the question "What is attractive about a complete nutcase?"
I guess the fact of being crazy about the protagonist, the personality changes from a charming and innocent girl to a grotesque and hopelessly crazy ... I think this is what attracts people [some kind of fetish as you say XD] , although half of all that does not matter to me, and I think it has become a habit to take the stereotype for general comedy with their jealousy towards the protagonist, where they are easily surpassed by any other stereotype.

As an opinion, what I personally like is when they manage to create a very good backstory that justifies their madness and they create a charming character that you simply cannot hate for more bad things that they do after seeing their hard past and how they cling to. what they believe is their only light [their obsessive love for the protagonist or something similar]
Once again I give the example of Sakura XD, throughout the story you are unable to hate the character, on the contrary you identify a lot with the protagonist and his feeling of making her happy, of giving her a little happiness in all her dark and rotten life, I love to see those little details where in all her dark life there is a small ray of light on her face, like when she gives her the key to the house and that little detail is everything for her, since in that place is where she can only find one pinch of salvation and happiness, and for things like that the end looks so happy and sad at the same time ... anyway I don't want to spoil it so I'll leave it here XD, I hope this helps you understand how you can get there To want a character of this type, the problem is that the yandere are simply presented as a crazy character who is obsessed with some male character and obviously how you are going to like a character who simply lacks 3 screws and, NO, very bad character, Who would love someone like that, is toxic and dangerous, but when there is a beautiful story behind it then you can already feel the feeling of "I want to protect her, I want to make her happy" and your opinion of the character can begin to change.
Shonen in general is not my cup of tea but at the end of the day neither I nor you, I assume are its intended audience.
I do not think that the gender orientation is the problem, although I can understand it, currently with Kimetsu and Jujutsu things have changed a lot for the gender and you can see more adult-oriented stories without forgetting the bases of Shounen, even so I would like an answer from a fan of the series.
I agree attack on titan is overrated
It may be because I am a contrarian but I actually think SAO is overhated lol
It may sound crazy but at the time I liked SAO more than shingeki, in fact I didn't finish watching the first season of Shingeki until several years after it came out and I started watching it, however when SAO came out I was every week waiting for the next episode like crazy and wonder why? I suppose because of the waifus, I was a little young at that time and maybe Kirito's harem made me illusion, now it seems all very stupid and shongeki not as bad as in that time, but people overvalue it a lot, to me It seems like a good wasted plot to me
 

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🤔 I'm talking about his harem bruv, not about the world around him specifically.
His "harem members" lost their minds without any type of reason given by the author, and some of them even had a moral compass before suddenly losing it for no reason and starting to fawn over him.
oh ok, yah now i get it.
 

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@Narbray I agree with the wasted plot on Shingeki no Kyojin. The loss of mystery very early and the Titans having such a vapid history is jarring.
It's also too "one package to end it all", "muh king titan can do whatever it wants, our nuke is big dudes jogging over you".
 
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