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ninja8tyu

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Cringe #4: Nazi Birdbrain
Well today has been busy, huh.

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This is a dude that's trying to justify that archived doxxing earlier.

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It also doesn't take into account the fact that people will greatly nitpick a media's unrealistic qualities like there's no tomorrow

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Ph.D in Psychology from Twitter University.
Jesus christ, my head hurts.
Dude thinks everyone sees fiction as the real deal through "Suspension of Disbelief"
Wanna bet he's projecting if he genuinely thinks every human sees it as that?

Also he decided to quote retweet with stupid comments.
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It's like watching an idiot acting like he proved the world's flat to a bunch of scientists.:bep-what:
Does he actually believe in Flat Earth? I feel like he would. Does someone wanna ask?

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Honestly reminds me of a similar religious zealot a while back who said it was a sin to help others.
Thread of that previous idiot (check the tweet/archive for the full argument)

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Pot calling the Kettle black.

Update:

Dude might be an unironic Nazi, just covert about their real intent.
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Archive of Cringe
Thot Dox || Scat Lover || Cringe 3 || Birdbrain Nazi (you are here)

Daily Bullshit Series
Awesome Groomer Facts** || Fought Nazis** || Fought Racists** || Daily Bullshit 2
Daily Bullshit 3 || Daily Bullshit 4* || Cartoon Chris Hansen || Daily Bullshit 5
Daily Bullshit 6 || Daily Bullshit 7** || Daily Bullshit 8 || Daily Bullshit 9
Daily Bullshit 10** || Daily Bullshit 10.5** || Daily Bullshit 11*** || Daily Bullshit 12
Daily Bullshit 13 || Daily Bullshit 14** || Return of the Nazis*** ||
*Anti-Argument Categories; I did a little categorization of arguments and tactics Antis like to use when arguing against lolicon media in that thread, but those arguments also slightly applies to other forms of media Antis consider "problematic," so I marked it with an asterisk just in case people find it useful or important.
**Mainly Archival/Lack of Explanations; Daily Bullshit started mainly to show the daily bullshit lolicons and in general anyone who likes "problematic media" have to deal with by showing examples of harassment. The explanations I added about basic ethical theories, psychological observations, and legal information to explain why they're obviously wrong ended up being my gimmick in these threads, and aren't actually supposed to be the usual. But fate had it such that this is what I do now. Yay.

***Criminal Activity: Documented cases of crimes Antis have committed. Crimes, as in doxxing and redistributing real CSEM, currently.
 
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Hibiki

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okay, hold the fuck up, there's a clear no doxing rule so don't even try it.
>Criminals are retarded.
No, despite what everyone believes posting personal information that is publicly available is not a crime.
I picked up several strategies when it comes to 4chan search tactics, but I never really had the chance to ever try them out.
Luckily, I still don't need to.
Criminals are retarded.
 
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ninja8tyu

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Comedy via Irony
One of the far-right idiots during that whole doxxing drama admits to wanting to fuck 14-year olds.

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^What Contra said lmfao :kekw:

Wanna see more?
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:bep-what: i wish it's just this idiot who believes these things
but it's not as if child marriages are uncommon because of religious practices, so he's not the only person :gura-pain:

"grooming children into marriages is fine, but jerking off in general, and not saying you'd do the same with real people as you do to drawings is blasphemy"

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literally the first result lmfao
Also here's a thing I found regarding Child Trafficking in Hungary: Article

Nationalism: When sucking the dicks of the Pedophiles who run a nation is treated as honorable
 

CEO of Fate

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FateCEO requested I make a thread regarding an experiment conducted involving Awesome Fortnite Facts regarding whether or not Gimmicks are actively seeking trouble.
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Joining this forum with small update: that kid still finds my tweets and replies to them.
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By the way, source of screenshots: github-based site (I collected about 100 of them, so I saved them like that).
Also, small update:
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Those kids double down on harassment despite their favorite gimmick owner crying about backlash. I have no sympathy for them and neither should you.

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Every joke has some truth behind it
 
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ninja8tyu

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Rant Essay
gonna drop a small rant about how all of this stupid drama shit is stupid

i remember the days when literally no one gave a shit if a person liked lolis, because who cares
weirdo likes cartoon girl, like a lot of people who get off to big tiddy anime girl

but somehow we've gotten to the point where it's being taken seriously for fuckall reason

i really find it interesting how people like to argue semantics on what pedophilia actually is, then immediately claim we do that
like:
Anti: "Lolicon is pedophilia"
Sane person: "sure thing lmfao, people are pedophiles because of cartoons"
Anti: "I'm serious. Pedophilia is the attraction to kids. Lolis are kids. Therefore, Lolicon is Pedophilia."
Sane person: "that only applies to real people dumbfuck; no credible psychologist would say jerking it off to cartoons is pedophilia"
Anti: "Wow, are you seriously arguing semantics over a definition? Is that the hill you want to die on? Lolis are child-like, therefore they're children, therefore it's pedophilia!"
Sane person: "jesus fuck"
[Blocks Anti]
Anti: "Pedophile apologist blocked me XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD"
like, i hope everyone else notices this stuff, and knows these are actually real damn lines they spout
during my entire time finding antis, i've found that they often project hardcore for a lot of things, but honestly, i just want to word an abstract for all the shit they do
one of those things happens to be what they claim we do
you know? use logic and facts to prove something is right/wrong?

i'm honestly pretty sure some of the earliest cases i've seen regarding antis being taken seriously is when people tried to pull that stunt
the stunt where fiction affects reality because it's a reflection of it, it normalizes things like racism and sexualizing children, and so on
and like
people claim it's common sense, which i'd honestly argue it is
but it's an argument that appeals to reason and logic, a logos argument
not trying to sound nerdy here, but it's essentially the axiom that which all antis argue from

a wrong conclusion drawn from flawed reasoning and logic which says that lolicon is pedophilia, or if not, encourages pedophilia
something that people who wanted to ban violent video games argued as well, but of course, it's different because it's sexuality and it involves things that look like people
because apparently sexuality is more universal than the desire to kill, and video game characters look much less realistic than drawings
because killing in video games is depicted as bad, and i feel bad for killing people in video games, and all games are undertale.

and i digress, honestly, with all the shit i've spouted so far.

point is, the earliest antis were the ones who employed "DEBATE ME BRO"
only to soon realize they can't, and immediately turn the tables around to claim that "why would any sane person want to debate pedophilia?" to those that can bite back

essentially, this entire shitfest begun, and people are being fooled, via the following strategy:
employ logos to implant the worry and problem of child harm, then employ pathos to discredit all logic thereforth that may try to disprove such harm exists
in simpler terms, "Guilty is a reasonable possibility that exists; only Guilty people would defend the Guilty."
which allows them to freely act on a "Guilty Until Proven Innocent" mindset, but also nullify the ability for people to prove innocence.

Honestly, practically all arguments Antis make follow these things:
  1. The Axiom that "Lolicon is Pedophilia" or "Lolicon encourages Pedophilia/Child Harm"
    • This is the easiest way to fool a lot of people; most people don't think, and it make sense because it appeals to common sense.
      Because what really is the difference between a fictional "child" and a real one?
  2. No one would reasonably defend a likely pedophile unless they themselves are evil/guilty/pedophiles.
    • This is a powerful tool which invalidates truth and complete logic if it goes against the previous clause.
      Because why would anyone even consider the possibility that a pedophile is a good person/innocent?
This strategy is effective and potent because of that.
It makes sure that:
  • People believe that facts and logic are on their side ("We can't be wrong!"),
  • That people against them are against logic and common sense ("You are wrong!"),
  • They believe they would be good people/doing good things because they fight bad people/evil ("Fighting evil make us heroes!"), and
  • That people against them are fighting for evil ("You are evil!").
Of course, anyone with a functional brain can see past that by themselves or once someone brings it up.
That being said, a majority of the human population is actually incapable of critical thinking, incapable of seeing people having their own lives and rather think of people relative to themselves, and are incapable of thinking of morality on individual terms and rather define morality based on group coherence.
So yeah, no.
A majority of the human population generally lacks functional brains. Not even saying that to be mean.
And what makes it even worse? Most Antis are kids groomed to debate about sex and pornographic content.
You know, that one group of people whose brains aren't even fully developed.
That one group of people who absolutely hate it when people say things like "You're not ready" because they hate being treated like their ideas and presence is unneeded or a hindrance.
That one group of people who so desperately want to be an adult and have a say on adult subjects and change the world like the adults.

So from the desire to want to change the world and a possible target that might help change it, we end up with Antis.
Whether that change be to better the world, to cleanse it of blasphemers, to apply and enact eugenics for a better human society, to purge the disgusting degenerates, to save children in need, to have an excuse to be sadistic and cruel, it doesn't matter.

Whatever their motivations may be, it doesn't change the fact they've hurt people, some even to the extent where they've killed people directly.
It doesn't change their ground being shaky and flawed, and that they're complete fools.

Every Anti becomes one because they're flawed. In character, in intelligence, in morality.
And they'll continue to be an Anti, because they don't have that humanity in them.
They'll be cruel, full of malice, and will continue to be that; an Anti.

They're Antis.
And they've never been human.
 
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Narbray

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i remember the days when literally no one gave a shit if a person liked lolis, because who cares
weirdo likes cartoon girl, like a lot of people who get off to big tiddy anime girl
this is what has brought the massive absurd popularity that anime are having
Unfortunately, what is good for the companies is not necessarily good for the fans, despite the fact that thanks to them, anime companies are what they are today and not thanks to these idiots that many barely have seen an anime in their life.
Anti: "I'm serious. Pedophilia is the attraction to kids. Lolis are kids. Therefore, Lolicon is Pedophilia."
they literally fall into stupid ignorant fallacies and cling to them closing their bubble of ignorance
This is why it is difficult to make them change their minds and I increasingly believe that it is best to simply ignore them unless the thing gets more serious
something that people who wanted to ban violent video games argued as well, but of course, it's different because it's sexuality and it involves things that look like people
because apparently sexuality is more universal than the desire to kill, and video game characters look much less realistic than drawings
I think it is because it involves children, everyone wants to be that hero that everyone appreciates and looks at their heroic deeds, and since children are something that we universally see as ´´something`` that we have to instinctively protect it is very easy for these people to feel heroic and Unconsciously believing that this in turn will make everyone see you as heroic and garner positive attention. This is basically how most of these people work and it is what differentiates this from video games.
No one would reasonably defend a likely pedophile unless they themselves are evil/guilty/pedophiles.
  • This is a powerful tool which invalidates truth and complete logic if it goes against the previous clause.
    Because why would anyone even consider the possibility that a pedophile is a good person/innocent?
this point is the one that I detest the most of all
most of these people demonize pedophiles as if they necessarily have to be bad people
but things are very different
imagine that someone defended themselves with this logical argument
´´you are a pedophile because you like lolis`` totally fallacious argument
In response, instead of creating a defense with arguments, you would only say: `` If I am a pedophile so what? the problem here is
1. first argument is fallacious and people should realize this before judging
2. Pedophiles are not necessarily bad people and your argument in response does not have to be true.
but since everyone is going to turn against you
[Even some of those who previously supported you] then the only thing left is the argument that ´´lolicon is not pedophilia`` and although this is probably true, it is difficult to find proof in this regard, to top it off, many lolicons on twitter do not help out and they put to throw shit at the pedophiles to get the shit off theyself, this does not differentiate them much from the antis.
a deplorable issue

That's why it's hard to fight
totally deny your arguments
misinformed and ignorant fallacies resort
farts are bad people because society says period

So if you try to make them understand that what they do is harassment and discrimination against innocent people [for saying that pedophiles are bad, dangerous and criminals who should burn in hell is discriminatory, in fact even slander what could be illegal]
the antis take advantage of how bad society sees these things to put them all on their side without even thinking

indirectly not only do they harm a product and its consumers who have not done anything illegal or harmful, but they directly harm innocent people who sometimes have nothing to do with war and are caught in the crossfire, some pedophiles may have a Serious problem, wanting to receive help and lock yourself up by refusing to receive it for fear of this shit that society does
the antis simply have a great empathy problem and are unable to use their emotions correctly, probably cut off by their ego or by their desire to be appreciated and seen as heroes by all
deplorable

Honestly, practically all arguments Antis make follow these things:
  1. The Axiom that "Lolicon is Pedophilia" or "Lolicon encourages Pedophilia/Child Harm"
    • This is the easiest way to fool a lot of people; most people don't think, and it make sense because it appeals to common sense.
      Because what really is the difference between a fictional "child" and a real one?
  2. No one would reasonably defend a likely pedophile unless they themselves are evil/guilty/pedophiles.
    • This is a powerful tool which invalidates truth and complete logic if it goes against the previous clause.
      Because why would anyone even consider the possibility that a pedophile is a good person/innocent?
This strategy is effective and potent because of that.
It makes sure that:
  • People believe that facts and logic are on their side ("We can't be wrong!"), and
  • They believe they would be good people/doing good things because they fight bad people/evil ("Fighting evil make us heroes!").
A majority of the human population generally lacks functional brains. Not even saying that to be mean.

And what makes it even worse? Most Antis are kids groomed to debate about sex and pornographic content.
You know, that one group of people whose brains aren't even fully developed.
That one group of people who absolutely hate it when people say things like "You're not ready" because they hate being treated like their ideas and presence is unneeded or a hindrance.
That one group of people who so desperately want to be an adult and have a say on adult subjects and change the world like the adults.
excellent analysis of the way they use their arguments, it is like that exactly

this is totally true too
this is another of the big problems
we are discussing adult issues
with little children who barely learned to clean their asses yesterday



I think I have already come to the conclusion that peace was never an option and that being passive with these people does not help at all while they are extremely aggressive.
As long as no law or rule is broken, I do not see why not to be aggressive with them without lowering themselves to their level
 
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VidKids

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Don't wanna make myself look like a dumbass or whatever. But loli and shota content are fine by me as long as nothing lewd is going on. Otherwise I just stop looking and go look at other things.

I'm basically in the middle of it, so to say. To sum the details up (like above): Just don't do lewd shit and that's fine. Though I'm not one to sperg out when you do, just don't involve me with it.

Not looking for any arguments, just don't be weird about it.
 

Akamebigtits

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Person of Interest
lolicon twitter I had 4 months without it
now somehow ending back on it on Twitter and remember this place existed nice to see the war never ends
 

Akamebigtits

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So loli drama is just Twitter damm kinda sad how no one has made videos on it.
you could totally just make 40 videos just out of this forum lol.
 

ninja8tyu

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Daily Bullshit 16
Yeah, it's the usual, but hey, let's put that rant I had to the test.

The beginning:
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"If you have to debate why it's not pedophilia, it's pedophilia lmaooooo"
Remember that line for me.

The second tweet (among the very many that will continue to come out; not the last lmfao)
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It's never the last tweet.
If you want proof that he wants to keep going, his attempt at stopping is trying to get a last word in.
Subhuman.

"Debate Me Bro" after trying to say anyone arguing against him are pedophiles.
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Like I said before. It's an effective method at bullying people that only subhumans fall for.

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"People can be pedophiles without ever being attracted to a specific human child"
Yeah. Not quite the take I'd expect from anyone who knows anything about the human mind, let alone a sane human being.

And here is a clip of him body-shaming a real person by calling them "pedobait"

The summary of events is as follows: Duncan is attacking someone on his stream, and claims that lolis are inherently children, that they have no body hair, and that every human that has gone through puberty has some hair. Promptly, he finds out the girl he's talking to doesn't have any, reaches far, and promptly body shames her, calling her pedobait and calls anyone who would love her a pedophile.

Notable Quotes:
Girl: "You said __ lacking hips and chest, I lack both."
Duncan: "Sucks to suck, but that's not the same thing.
You 100% have secondary sexual characteristics.
If you have gone through puberty, you have secondary sexual characteristics.
These drawings do not."
Duncan: "I know you have body hair, because you have gone through puberty."
Girl: "I don't have body hair."
Duncan: "You have ZERO body hair? You have never grown a pube in your life? No, so you shaved?"
Girl: "I did run into my family, I don't have it. My granddad didn't have any, my [interrupted]"
Duncan: "So you don't have eyebrows? Like no body hair whatsoever?"
Girl: "Yes, I have to fill in my eyebrows, my bad, my bad, I'm sorry."
Duncan: "You are flat-chested, no hips, alopecia, so no body hair whatsoever, you talk with a high register voice, you're-you're pedobait!
That's great! You can go and save a pedophile from ever abusing a child!
Perfect. That's great."

Girl: "Huh."
Duncan: "I don't know what else to say.
I would actually consider any guy who went after you, for those traits, any guy who went after you because you had a flat chest, because you had no hips, because you had no ass, because you had no body hair, I would find that a little odd, that the reason someone found you attractive."
There are several issues with several of the things he has said. I hope you could tell, but people take the obvious for granted.
  1. Based on just his tone, it's clear he doesn't even believe such people, like the girl on the clip, exist, and that if they did exist, they're existence is pedobait.
  2. Next, he's essentially claiming that anyone attracted to her is a pedophile. "bUt I sAiD-" yeah, no.
    How the fuck could anyone tell what a person was attracted to you for unless they straight-up told you?
    And you know, I don't think that would stop someone like Duncan from calling them a pedophile by claiming "actual genuine reasons for love" as he so claims, are in fact lies and bullshit, and that they're a pedophile anyway.
    Also, he's covertly trying to enforce thought crime. Not surprising, for an Anti.
  3. Finally, Duncan has essentially claimed that pedophilia isn't attracted to young age/kids, but rather appearance. After all, "People can be pedophiles without ever being attracted to a specific human child." Even a person who wasn't lucky enough to grow a normal, or even ideal body, counts as pedophilia.
By the way, I don't think Duncan realizes, but a lot of pedophiles are the ones who like to say "You look mature for your age ;)"
He's really a dumbass closet pedophile who can't help but drop little hints to what he really is. :kekw:
Criminals are retarded, and it's somehow always surprising just how dumb they can be.

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There was no body shaming in Ba Sing Se.
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Bitch left the chat after the full clip of body shame was posted.

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Pretending to have PTSD to discredit someone else with PTSD, playing victim, yeah.
Subhuman.

Also, just to note:
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He may have been caught abusing kids before, but he's trying very hard to say he's not.
But considering his entire attitude the entire time, I would bet he has, and we just need to find the evidence he hasn't deleted to shove in his face.

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Dude unironically is defending that "You don't need to be attracted to children to be a pedophile"

It's pretty much impossible to argue with this kind of person.
Like I said before, their entire mentality is that "anyone against me is a pedophile," "evidence against that is made up by pedos," and "I am justice."
A discussion can't be had with such people.
When you are dehumanized, opinions are quickly discarded, more insults than arguments, then a discussion and debate can't be had.
It's a shit-flinging contest with no end.
If the only things you hear are that you're a pedophile, you're pedobait, you're a creep, freak, to be euthanized, then I can tell you that the only way to change him is to remove him.
So I'd advice people to not debate with him, just block him, and advise those he targets to also block him.
Think of him as a monster who gets off to hurting others to the point of murder in order to feel pleasure and joy in its life, like most Antis.


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Who wants to bet he'll come back for more in order to gain more relevancy?

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Daddy needs his kittens, after all.

Update:
Regarding Allegations regarding Duncan during his alleged PokeTuber phase.
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So allegedly, the statements are as follows:
  1. Duncan was friends with a predator "Nappy" and didn't out him
  2. Duncan was enemies with "Nappy" yet still didn't out a predator
The only inconsistency I can find is the relationship between Duncan and Nappy, but in both statements, Duncan was more than willing to hide actual child abusers.
Duncan is more than willing to harass people who like drawings, but willing to not snitch on people who rape kids.

We may have stumbled on another groomer yet again.

Update 2:
Still Coping, Still Seething
After 2 days, he's still anal about lolicons.
Daddy's gotta take the heat off of him and his kitten in the dungeon, after all.
 
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